UEFA investigating "dive"

RoscommonGooner · Post by **RoscommonGooner** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:08 pm

Skooner wrote:As mentioned the key in consistency. We had a similar situation a number of years ago where Cashley got suspended for using foul and abusive language towards a referee. At least that set the precedent and everyone now gets charged when caught giving them abuse

Arsenal should employ someone to catalogue all controversial incidents in the Champions League and Prem. When a potential charge is levelled at us like this, we just produce the evidence (to both the governing body and the media) that others are being treated differently. It would soon show up any inconsistency and reflect badly on the disciplinary process.

Itâ€™s no good Wenger complaining about Babel now, that is water under the bridge but if they do go after Eddie we need ammunition to fight back.

I would do this job but only for Â£50k per annum and an appartment at Highbury Square.

SteveO 35 · Post by **SteveO 35** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:11 pm

God, you'd think someone had been shot. We'll probably get a bigger punishment for this than scummy West Ham and Millwall got for the other night.

Sky are running a piece "Diving in Football" as we speak - fucking hell, I've not heard such an uproar since....err.....Robert Pires against Portsmouth in 2003/04.

Hang us all I say, we're the only ones who could ever commit such terrible crimes to mankind

Radford149 · Post by **Radford149** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:21 pm

SteveO 35 wrote:God, you'd think someone had been shot. We'll probably get a bigger punishment for this than scummy West Ham and Millwall got for the other night.

Sky are running a piece "Diving in Football" as we speak - fucking hell, I've not heard such an uproar since....err.....Robert Pires against Portsmouth in 2003/04.

Hang us all I say, we're the only ones who could ever commit such terrible crimes to mankind

Radford totally agrees with this post

piresistible · Post by **piresistible** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:25 pm

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/robk ... arrassing/

Radford149 · Post by **Radford149** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:27 pm

g88ner wrote:
Radford149 wrote:Radford cannot believe that people would want an Arsenal player to be banned. Ed did NOTHING wrong, gaining an advantage is PART of the game and it is naive and pathetic to think otherwise.

Radford does understand your point (but thinks you are wrong) but he is very much against video evidence.
I don't WANT him banned... but if it's the start of the use of video evidence to stop cheats, then fair enough. I'm not totally in favour of video evidence either, but as long as there's consistency in it's use, then I can live with it.

It won't happen though, and it'll all blow over after the press have had their say.

Radford appreciates that you don't want him banned but be careful what you wish for. the game is the game and it should be left alone. cheating as Radford has stated IS part of the game. and anyone who has played sport will agree. and those who don't are living in a dream world

SteveO 35 · Post by **SteveO 35** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:31 pm

Radford149 wrote:
g88ner wrote:
Radford149 wrote:Radford cannot believe that people would want an Arsenal player to be banned. Ed did NOTHING wrong, gaining an advantage is PART of the game and it is naive and pathetic to think otherwise.

Radford does understand your point (but thinks you are wrong) but he is very much against video evidence.
I don't WANT him banned... but if it's the start of the use of video evidence to stop cheats, then fair enough. I'm not totally in favour of video evidence either, but as long as there's consistency in it's use, then I can live with it.

It won't happen though, and it'll all blow over after the press have had their say.
Radford appreciates that you don't want him banned but be careful what you wish for. the game is the game and it should be left alone. cheating as Radford has stated IS part of the game. and anyone who has played sport will agree. and those who don't are living in a dream world

In a purists' world not, but I agree with you and anyone who thinks differently is kidding themselves. I only ever played at a reasonable amatuer level but played with a few ex-semi pro's who often taught you how to dive 'properly' and went as far as to say they'd been coached how to do it !

Swale_Gooner1985 · Post by **Swale_Gooner1985** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:31 pm

SteveO 35 wrote:God, you'd think someone had been shot. We'll probably get a bigger punishment for this than scummy West Ham and Millwall got for the other night.

Sky are running a piece "Diving in Football" as we speak - fucking hell, I've not heard such an uproar since....err.....Robert Pires against Portsmouth in 2003/04.

Hang us all I say, we're the only ones who could ever commit such terrible crimes to mankind

Well you have to remember that Robert Pires invented diving in 2003 didnt he?

and last nights incident has been the only dive since the Pires one...well the only one ive heard of anyway

I think someone tried to claim a Man Utd player dived once but was immediately killed before word spread

Post by **SPUDMASHER** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:34 pm

Radford149 wrote:
g88ner wrote:
Radford149 wrote:Radford cannot believe that people would want an Arsenal player to be banned. Ed did NOTHING wrong, gaining an advantage is PART of the game and it is naive and pathetic to think otherwise.

Radford does understand your point (but thinks you are wrong) but he is very much against video evidence.
I don't WANT him banned... but if it's the start of the use of video evidence to stop cheats, then fair enough. I'm not totally in favour of video evidence either, but as long as there's consistency in it's use, then I can live with it.

It won't happen though, and it'll all blow over after the press have had their say.
Radford appreciates that you don't want him banned but be careful what you wish for. the game is the game and it should be left alone. cheating as Radford has stated IS part of the game. and anyone who has played sport will agree. and those who don't are living in a dream world

I disagree with you radders. I'm afraid that cheating cannot be condoned and should be driven out of the game. No self respecting person should ever feel like a winner when they cheated to do so.
I'm happy for him to be punished retrospectively by Uefa provided that it comes along with a commitment that all others will be punished too.
Look on the good side, we would probably lose one player to a ban every 3-4 years. Manure, Chavs and the victims would end up having to select from their youth team just to find 11 eligible players within a month!

Lethal · Post by **Lethal** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:39 pm

when rooney stopped us from going 50 unbeaten it was fine

sums it up

'everyone hates us we dont care'

denhaaggooner · Post by **denhaaggooner** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:44 pm

while they are studying eduardos silky skills do you think they could take a gander at the vidic incident and tell us what they think is worse ?

Post by **g88ner** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:48 pm

Radford149 wrote: Radford appreciates that you don't want him banned but be careful what you wish for. the game is the game and it should be left alone. cheating as Radford has stated IS part of the game. and anyone who has played sport will agree. and those who don't are living in a dream world

I play in a 5-a-side league as the main defender. I'm quite happy, if need be, to pull a player back or foul him if he gets passed me... so I can't say I'm against cheating, as I'm as guilty as most. (I would also happily dive to win my team a penalty) - but it doesn't make it right.

So, I think it IS part of football and always has been, but if UEFA/FIFA decide to tackle the problem then it can't be half hearted and ban one guy and let 10 others off the hook... it needs consistency.

So, do I want Eduardo banned? no. Do I desperately want video evidence used? not overly. BUT if Eduardo is banned as part of a new consistent disciplinary panel, then I'd accept it in the knowledge that if Rooney, Gerrard or Owen dives against us, they would be banned too! - but can anyone really ever see that level of consistency happening?

Post by **Chippy** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:49 pm

I can't be a hypocrite now. I have spent the last 5 years living and re-living the Rooney/Riley cheat and have used it a thousand times against mancs of all shapes and sizes. Rooney should have had the book thrown at him then and Eduardo should now.

However it is my belief that this has only happened cos this Scottish FA guy has a bee in his bonnet and has made a formal complaint which must be considered. There are only 2 ways under natural justice this can go

1 He will be let off

2 They will have to say he is going to be punished and everyone from now on will be the same.

My money is on no 1.

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:49 pm

denhaaggooner wrote:while they are studying eduardos silky skills do you think they could take a gander at the vidic incident and tell us what they think is worse ?

Steve G's self defence Boxing match.

We should try and get his brief......he'd turn it around that Boruc would be banned and the Ref hung!

Percy Dalton · Post by **Percy Dalton** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:50 pm

g88ner wrote:
Radford149 wrote: Radford appreciates that you don't want him banned but be careful what you wish for. the game is the game and it should be left alone. cheating as Radford has stated IS part of the game. and anyone who has played sport will agree. and those who don't are living in a dream world
I play in a 5-a-side league as the main defender. I'm quite happy, if need be, to pull a player back or foul him if he gets passed me... so I can't say I'm against cheating, as I'm as guilty as most. (I would also happily dive to win my team a penalty) - but it doesn't make it right.

So, I think it IS part of football and always has been, but if UEFA/FIFA decide to tackle the problem then it can't be half hearted and ban one guy and let 10 others off the hook... it needs consistency.

So, do I want Eduardo banned? no. Do I desperately want video evidence used? not overly. BUT if Eduardo is banned as part of a new consistent disciplinary panel, then I'd accept it in the knowledge that if Rooney, Gerrard or Owen dives against us, they would be banned too! - but can anyone really ever see that level of consistency happening?

CHEAT!

Post by **g88ner** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:51 pm

Percy Dalton wrote:CHEAT!