Excellent Myles Palmer article

Vlad III · Post by **Vlad III** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:03 am

augie wrote:
Vlad III wrote:Do I really need to read it? Shock me and tell me it's something positive about Arsenal. Please!

My guess is you won't. Myles Palmer is a joke of a writer and not even an Arsenal fan. Hence my comment on the previous page. Your probably right, I shouldn't have wasted my time commenting on it, but I'm pissed off with the absolute shit being written on here and all the other blogs I have seen today. I noticed the word protest in some posts and blogs and immediately just left the page. No Arsenal fan has any need to protest over anything. There are clubs about to go out of business and there are some utter cretins who want to protest about a team that has a realistic chance of winning the title?!?!?!? That really is beyond any sane persons comprehension.

So forgive me for butting into your thread slagging Arsenal. Please continue.

So let me get this straight......this forum and every other blog you read today are writing negative stuff and is full of absolute shit so they are all wrong and you are the enlightened one here ? FFS you are so unbelievably naive/stupid/blinded if you are admitting that the vast majority of Gooners are all thinking the same but still believe their vision and judgement isnt as good or clear as yours and obviously they are wrong

Using the comparison with a club like portsmouth is typical of your type of arguement - we are not a small mickey mouse club with sweet fcuk all tradition cos We Are The Arsenal who are supposed to be one of the biggest clubs in europe and as such have higher ambitions and targets. Nobody has asked the club to throw around a ridiculous amount of money that would endanger the future of our club but we should at least expect the income generated from player sales to be used to bring in quality replacements. This board sold us a picture of what life would be like for the club when we moved stadium and to be brutally honest hans christian anderson must have written that fairy tale story cos it has been shown to be total bullshit and we are now paying top whack to a club that is surviving with average players and have no ambitions to improve on what we have got - if you cant see any of that then you need help mate

You said you wanted to have a protest sacking Arsene Wenger and you have the nerve to call me blinkered? Your post if full of inacuracies and dowright lies. In what world are average players 3rd in the league in February? You live in cloud cuckoo land!

You say because all the stuff I have read today is negative, I must be wrong and all that garbage must be right. This is absolute crap aswell. If you put a poll up on the bbc website asking fans of other teams should Wenger be sacked, what would the result be? That's the real world!!! Not your insulated, arrogant, faux-utopia "WE are the Arsenal". By your reckoning no club, other than Arsenal or a select few, should ever try and compete or better themselves because they have no history. Its just unbelievably arrogant.

If supporting Arsenal gives you so little enjoyment, why do you bother? I have seen you criticise the team aftter winning 6-1. We don't need that. Much the same as this forum has a negative view on my posts, because they are deemed "negative (?!?!?!) and argumentative, I have a negative view on whingers and spoliled grown men who have nothing but shit to say about Arsenal!

The poster who said I was sarcastic and short tempered; you got me down to a tee!

Post by **REB** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:16 am

gooner ed getting all cosy with anr

http://www.arsenalnewsreview.co.uk/inde ... +Review%29

OneBardGooner · Post by **OneBardGooner** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:16 am

augie wrote:I cannot for the life of me understand why the fans having a protest before or after a game is so ludicrous to so many fans Are we supposed to bend over regardless for as long as we support the club ??

Right On Augie!

Which is why I have always advocated (and practised) that while the players are on the pitch - regardless of how shyte some of them might be etc....I Support them (chanting etc etc)...But I am entitled to 'Boo!'

Oh! yes I Am...once the final whistle goes those who have not given their all are 'Fair Game'....and I think it a Very Good Idea to Hold a Protest.....by doing so the Protestors can (for a change) use the Media into ensuring the Arsenal hierchy 'know' we is NOT pleased etc....

The club (as do all prem clubs) use the media to it's own ends...why shouldn't we?

The thing is we are not so much thought of as 'Fans' now, thanks to the corruption of our beloved game - all for tha sake of Wonga! - we are now 'Customers'....a sad, sad thing.....the Americanisation of our British Culture etc and the gradual errosion of what we Love Most!

Think a certain person needs to be C*nted

!....Murdoch you CRUNT!

franksav63 · Post by **franksav63** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:30 am

OneBardGooner wrote:
augie wrote:I cannot for the life of me understand why the fans having a protest before or after a game is so ludicrous to so many fans Are we supposed to bend over regardless for as long as we support the club ??
Right On Augie!

Which is why I have always advocated (and practised) that while the players are on the pitch - regardless of how shyte some of them might be etc....I Support them (chanting etc etc)...But I am entitled to 'Boo!' Oh! yes I Am...once the final whistle goes those who have not given their all are 'Fair Game'....and I think it a Very Good Idea to Hold a Protest.....by doing so the Protestors can (for a change) use the Media into ensuring the Arsenal hierchy 'know' we is NOT pleased etc....

The club (as do all prem clubs) use the media to it's own ends...why shouldn't we?

The thing is we are not so much thought of as 'Fans' now, thanks to the corruption of our beloved game - all for tha sake of Wonga! - we are now 'Customers'....a sad, sad thing.....the Americanisation of our British Culture etc and the gradual errosion of what we Love Most!

Think a certain person needs to be C*nted

!....Murdoch you CRUNT!

I'm not a booer either, I've seen far worse shit over the years, than what's happening at the moment.

That's why if our fans want to boo, it's their perogative to do so, but there was no way last Sunday I was going to clap Denilson off, or clap Theo x's 2 on, perhaps giving them the silence treatment may be a better and more tactful tactic. (tactful tactic.... got quite a ring to it)

augie · Post by **augie** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:22 am

[quote="Vlad III
You said you wanted to have a protest sacking Arsene Wenger and you have the nerve to call me blinkered? Your post if full of inacuracies and dowright lies. In what world are average players 3rd in the league in February? You live in cloud cuckoo land!

You say because all the stuff I have read today is negative, I must be wrong and all that garbage must be right. This is absolute crap aswell. If you put a poll up on the bbc website asking fans of other teams should Wenger be sacked, what would the result be? That's the real world!!! Not your insulated, arrogant, faux-utopia "WE are the Arsenal". By your reckoning no club, other than Arsenal or a select few, should ever try and compete or better themselves because they have no history. Its just unbelievably arrogant.

If supporting Arsenal gives you so little enjoyment, why do you bother? I have seen you criticise the team aftter winning 6-1. We don't need that. Much the same as this forum has a negative view on my posts, because they are deemed "negative (?!?!?!) and argumentative, I have a negative view on whingers and spoliled grown men who have nothing but shit to say about Arsenal!

The poster who said I was sarcastic and short tempered; you got me down to a tee![/quote]Vlad

In what world are average players 3rd in the league in feb ? Try the scottish league, the dutch league and the portugese league for starters and I could name more if you want. Being 3rd in a league does not necessarily qualify you as a good team but you can certainly judge the strength of a league by looking at the teams at the top end of it and despite what you think this league is very very poor this season and was there for us to win. I have seen better Arsenal teams than both manure and the chavs have this season and those Arsenal sides were not good enough to win their league then but would piss away with the league this season.

I never said that because all the stuff you have read is negative that it must be true so I would suggest that you read it correctly before trying to belittle what I said - what I actually mocked you about was the fact that you assume that cos you dont agree with these opinions they must be wrong despite the fact that you are practically on your own here.

The majority of fans are very very unhappy with what is going on and only a fool (be that you, wenger or fizsman) would dismiss their opinions here. There is no doubt that within that ever growing group of pissed off fans there are different feelings on how to react to show this displeasure but that doesnt disguise the fact that the majority are very unhappy right now.

I am 100% in favour of some form of fans protest and I make no apology for saying it. I have been a supporter of this club for almost 35 years now and am certainly no glory hunter but I aint no mug either (tho some might disagree

). My displeasure has nothing to do with not winning trophies anymore but is down to the fact that the club are not doing everything in their power to try to bring us success again especially when it comes to replacing shit players like almunia. There now seems to be an air of acceptance within the club that winning the league is beyond us so we only aim to stay in the top 4 and for a club of our size and stature that is nothing short of a disgrace. This policy will never change as long as wenger and the board are cosy bedmates so something has to give as far as I am concerned and that should be the board or wenger or indeed both. There is nothing wrong in being 2nd best but a club like our's should at least should be aiming to be the very best but this regime no longer does that

NBM · Post by **NBM** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:48 am

MutleyGooner wrote:
NBM wrote:So it's come to this, I've found myself agreeing with Myles Palmer. I think I'm going to go shoot myself....
I'll hold the gun steady for you, wouldn't want you too miss

Haha, crunt

Vlad III · Post by **Vlad III** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:28 pm

I really can't be arsed with this anymore. Your arguments are laughable.

You say that I shouldn't compare Arsenal to Portsmouth, then you go and compare the premiership to the Scottish league?

I don't think you realise the hard work and skill it takes to reach third in the premiership. If it was so easy, then why are there 89 other clubs below us?

You say Wenger isn't aiming to be the best? You utter moron. You can see how much it hurts him when we lose. You may not agree with the way he goes about trying to win, but you have no right to question his desire.

You say you have supported the club for 35 years? Do you know what the word support means? Slagging something off non stop and asking for protestes is not supporting.

Ultimately you won't agree with me and I certainly won't agree with you, so this is just hot air and a waste of time. I wasn't even going to bother replying until your sly dig on the other thread. I just hope your eating humble pie very soon and your made to look like the complete tit that you are!

Skooner · Post by **Skooner** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:48 pm

Vlad III wrote:I really can't be arsed with this anymore. Your arguments are laughable.

You say that I shouldn't compare Arsenal to Portsmouth, then you go and compare the premiership to the Scottish league?

I don't think you realise the hard work and skill it takes to reach third in the premiership. If it was so easy, then why are there 89 other clubs below us?

You say Wenger isn't aiming to be the best? You utter moron. You can see how much it hurts him when we lose. You may not agree with the way he goes about trying to win, but you have no right to question his desire.

You say you have supported the club for 35 years? Do you know what the word support means? Slagging something off non stop and asking for protestes is not supporting.

Ultimately you won't agree with me and I certainly won't agree with you, so this is just hot air and a waste of time. I wasn't even going to bother replying until your sly dig on the other thread. I just hope your eating humble pie very soon and your made to look like the complete tit that you are!

Do you not think everyone on here, including Augie, is hoping he will be eating Humble Pie at the end of the season?

I don't questions Wenger desire to win but I definitely question his methods and I also question the boards blind faith in him.

Here's a couple of sound bites from the last month which sum up the situation.

The club have stated "If the manager wants to sign a player for Â£30m he has the means to do so"

Wenger has stated "We will only buy players if we feel they will improve on what we have".

Most fans read this as saying, as far as Wenger is concerned, that he can't finds anyone better than the likes of Almunia or Denilson for Â£30m.

This leads me to think that Wenger is more obsessed with his project than he is with just winning.

3rd place in the league, it's good, but with the infrastructure behind us, it could be better and in my opinion there are managers that would be interested in managing AFC that would do better than Wenger is currently doing.[/b]

augie · Post by **augie** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:15 pm

No sly dig mate cos I actually named you as opposed to hinting that it was you cos that would be sly - anyway mate it was only a piss take so dont get your knickers in a knot

Anyway as skooner has already said I really hope that I am eating humble pie come the seasons end and if that is the case I will seek you out and apologise but, and there really is no getting away from this, wenger's performance in his job has really nosedived in recent seasons for reasons I have already listed. The man has been an amazing servent to the club but perhaps he is burnt out, perhaps he is too close to the players and is unable to properly assess their shortcomings or maybe he is being distracted by all the other non managerial jobs he is also doing in the club but for whatever reason a man who claims that he has a bountiful transfer kitty has refused to do the necessary and the obvious for the last 4 transfer windows and that is not good enough

Anyway your judgement of what qualifies to be a proper supporter is bullshit in what is far from a black or white scenario. Do you honestly believe that no matter what the club do we the fans should agree with it regardless ? Were you a supporter of the club back in the early 1990's and if so did you support the clubs introduction of the bond when thousands of supporters opposed it ? Personally I support the club first and foremost - if the players, manager and boardroom are doing their best for the club then they will all receive my 100% backing but these people are not the club and are only employee's of our club so do not get confused about where my support should be going. Putting wenger's or the players ego and reputation ahead of what is best for the club is a total no-no in most supporters eyes regardless of what you believe. Anyway when god or some higher being appears down and tells us that you are a more important person then the rest of us then you can judge me but in the meantime keep your judgements to yourself

Vlad III · Post by **Vlad III** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:29 pm

My judgement has nothing to do with it you clown! The word fan has a definition:

A fan, short for fanatic, aficionado, or supporter is someone who has an intense, occasionally overwhelming liking and enthusiasm for a sporting club, person (usually a celebrity), group of persons, company, product, activity, work of art, idea, or trend.

Is that you? Notice the words enthusiasm and liking. You seem to enthusiastically moan and you seem to like whinning, but i'm pretty sure we can agree you arent either of those things, when it comes to supporting the team.

Tell me I'm wrong?

xDAVEYx · Post by **xDAVEYx** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:45 pm

Vlad III wrote:My judgement has nothing to do with it you clown! The word fan has a definition:

A fan, short for fanatic, aficionado, or supporter is someone who has an intense, occasionally overwhelming liking and enthusiasm for a sporting club, person (usually a celebrity), group of persons, company, product, activity, work of art, idea, or trend.

Is that you? Notice the words enthusiasm and liking. You seem to enthusiastically moan and you seem to like whinning, but i'm pretty sure we can agree you arent either of those things, when it comes to supporting the team.

Tell me I'm wrong?

no no, you're right. you're amazing. i wish i was as awesome as you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FucbvoFFy0

do you not think for one minute that for 90 minutes of a match that augie does in fact get behind his team according to the gospel of vlad and then vents frustrations (well structured, argued, and articulate, interesting points of perspective) on an OPEN FORUM for arsenal fans' opinions?!

Vlad III · Post by **Vlad III** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:52 pm

A knight in shinning armour? How valiant!

Instead of making a statement that doesn't really address what I said (put in a video and a few smileys, that will always make you look smart). Why don't you actually tell me which part of what I said was incorrect?

Post by **g88ner** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:54 pm

Vlad III wrote:My judgement has nothing to do with it you clown! The word fan has a definition:

A fan, short for fanatic, aficionado, or supporter is someone who has an intense, occasionally overwhelming liking and enthusiasm for a sporting club, person (usually a celebrity), group of persons, company, product, activity, work of art, idea, or trend.

Is that you? Notice the words enthusiasm and liking. You seem to enthusiastically moan and you seem to like whinning, but i'm pretty sure we can agree you arent either of those things, when it comes to supporting the team.

Tell me I'm wrong?

To be fair, whether you agree with Augie or not, you cannot question his passion for Arsenal.... hell, his posts are practically dripping with pain and suffering!

- so who gives a shit if he doesn't fit snuggly into your dictionary definition of 'fan' or 'supporter'.... in fact, if you ask me, football is VERY different to being a fan of art, a person, a trend, or an activity.... it's a way of life; it's in your blood. You live it and breath it, so shove your Oxford dictionary up your arse mate

marcengels · Post by **marcengels** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:56 pm

Vlad III wrote:Haha! An open forum in which anyone that disagress with the staus quo is held up a a pariah?

Anyone who like status quo is a c**t

VforVictory · Post by **VforVictory** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:59 pm

Is it true that Myles Palmer posts here sometimes under a different name?