People who want wenger out ...

[Trevheff]

There is a general concensus amongst Arsenal fans (i.e. all with functioning eye sight) that change is needed and is needed now. I'm very firmly in that camp. But what annoys me is that if you criticise Arsene or call for change you're immediately put in the 'Wenger Out' camp. Bollocks!! The old addage about family is very true of Arsene in my case; It's my right to criticise him as much as I want, but as soon as someone from outside the family has ago at him I'm straight to his defence.

One thing is for sure, Arsene shouldn't stay in charge for old times sake. He should only remain if he can realstically bring silverware. That means properly opening the purse strings, clearing out the passengers and putting some spine back into the team (before August 2010). I for one hope he stays and does just that in the summer. If he won't he has to move aside. It will be a sad sad day when it happens but at the end of the day we are Arsenal Football Club, not the Arsene Wenger Appreciattion Society. We're about winning trophies not paying constant homage to probably the greatest individual in the clubs history.

Come on Arsene, we still love you, we still want you but it's now time to deliver. Stop playing the politician; Clear out the rubbish, bring in some real class and restore your reputation.

FYI: Been going to games regularly since 1984. TRS member since it's inception, now Silver Holder. Have a 3 hour round commute to games so cash/family have now cut down my 8-10 games per season to 2-3. But I agree with comments that it shouldn't matter. I have a friend who only gets to 1 game per season but he's as passionate a Gooner as you could wish to meet.

[SammyDroppedHisShorts]

Clear this lot out

Alumunia
Flappy
Mannone
Sagna
Silvestre
Eboue
Diaby
Senderos
Merida
Denilson
Bendtner
Eduardo
Vela
Gilbert
Randall


Yes loads.....but this little band of crap is not fit to tie my boots....and Wenger brought them in....they are his players....and for me they are the reason we are so much in the way we are......

You will ask...thats a lot of players that need replacing....well yes but that again is down to the manager.

the day David Dein left was the day Wenger lost his biggest allie. In lamens terms....we dont have a man who can go get the player.....

[VforVictory]

Was just wondering how many games do the people go to a year? And how long you have been a ST holder if you are one?

Not judging you in anyway i would just like to see.


I only say this as all the ST holders around me have never once said they want wenger out, and reading most pundits/experts they say losing wenger would be a big mistake. But on here the general Consensus is that wenger has to be sacked.

A few quick points -

1. It shouldnt really matter who many games you go to should it ? I mean I am not have a go at you when I say it but factors have to be taken into account like financial circumstances, ability to obtain tickets and of course where a person lives.

How many games someone goes to will affect their opinion. In the stadium you see the whole pitch, the positioning of the players, the body language, players talking to each other or being instructed etc which are nto picked up on tv.

That said, in the stadium you can miss close ups of incidents that are repeated on tv.

There is no prejudice on my part against fans who even go to as little one game every three seasons, because financial and geographical constraints exist. I am lucky in that I live in North London and have a season ticket.



2. I believe a lot of fans are afraid to say publicly at a match that they think wenger should leave. Maybe that suggests that it is easier to hide behind the annonmity of forums like this but I reckon there are far more fans believing that wenger's time is nearly up then you would think at the matches.

People at games say what they think, in my experience.

3. It is easier for the pundits to proclaim wenger as the second coming of our lord (and I mean no disrespect there) cos Arsenal FC is not their team and the financial outlay of fans means nothing to them. Maybe it is also harder for them to correctly assess the dross representing our club nowadays when they are only seeing one of our games every so often as they rotate around the country To them wenger's ideologies are to be greatly admired whilst to us they are holding us back. Lastly they proclaim that wenger has no cash to spend and have absolutely no problems with the club statements (from wenger and the board) to the contray - to us it is more bullshit lies to the fans who shell out the dearest ticket prices in england if not europe. Giving unproven players big contracts if we have fcuk all cash also grates with most fans If we have no wonga then say so and wenger will get a lot more slack although the board would def feel the wrath

In my opinion two main problems (and a few minor problems) exist.

Wenger's ideology of how the game is to be played is very good for attacking, but leaves terrible defensive flaws. Whether this is down t Wenger's lack of defensive coaching or poor defenders is a moot point, but as far as I can tell the club does not employ a defensive coach for the first team. Does anyone know otherwise?

The club has money to spend, but not loads of it, until the stadium loan is paid off. There is no guarantee a future manager will have any more funds than Wenger, but my suspiscion is, that Wenger could spend a bit more if he wanted to, but chooses not to.

I would like Wenger to stay for the next season, but he must employ a decent defensive coach, and address the obvious gaps in the squad.

[goonersid]

There is a general concensus amongst Arsenal fans (i.e. all with functioning eye sight) that change is needed and is needed now. I'm very firmly in that camp. But what annoys me is that if you criticise Arsene or call for change you're immediately put in the 'Wenger Out' camp. Bollocks!! The old addage about family is very true of Arsene in my case; It's my right to criticise him as much as I want, but as soon as someone from outside the family has ago at him I'm straight to his defence.

One thing is for sure, Arsene shouldn't stay in charge for old times sake. He should only remain if he can realstically bring silverware. That means properly opening the purse strings, clearing out the passengers and putting some spine back into the team (before August 2010). I for one hope he stays and does just that in the summer. If he won't he has to move aside. It will be a sad sad day when it happens but at the end of the day we are Arsenal Football Club, not the Arsene Wenger Appreciattion Society. We're about winning trophies not paying constant homage to probably the greatest individual in the clubs history.

Come on Arsene, we still love you, we still want you but it's now time to deliver. Stop playing the politician; Clear out the rubbish, bring in some real class and restore your reputation.

FYI: Been going to games regularly since 1984. TRS member since it's inception, now Silver Holder. Have a 3 hour round commute to games so cash/family have now cut down my 8-10 games per season to 2-3. But I agree with comments that it shouldn't matter. I have a friend who only gets to 1 game per season but he's as passionate a Gooner as you could wish to meet.

Good post Trev, it will be a sad day for many when he leaves, but the number who will feel like that is diminishing with every failed season.
Wenger will always be a legend, but he can't dine out on the past indefinitely.
And the worrying thing is that every season he now looks a more forlorn figure, scratching his head not seeming to understand why his methods simlpy aren't delivering what is required.
I too will jump down the throat of any fan of an opposing club who criticises Wenger, thats because i'm a gooner. But I know in reality that a lot of what they are saying is right.
I too will feel a hint of sadness if Wenger goes, but thats because I'll be disappointed that it will have had to end that way, but end it surely must.

[the playing mantis]

ive been a season ticket holder since the new north bank was built at highbury and have gone to 90% of home games most seasons since (a lot less in a couple of my teenage years) and i for 1 think AW's time is up and hes living off past acheivements.

every season he says judge me in may and the stupid fans say the same thing too, " if nothing improves next season then he should go" but they just say the same thing come the end of the season. something has to give eventually and things need changing

it will be a very sad dark day to see him leave, and i cant picture the dugout without him there (but night is darkest before dawn!!), but hes lost the ability to motivate, is blind (and has been for at least 3 years) to the deficiencies in his team (not to mention squad) and the ability of never will be good enough players who should be sold so replacements can be brought in, but are handed contract extensions.

things need freshening up and hes had far too much power since DD left and the club has gone stale.

he should do the honorable thing and not renew his contract and let someone with a fresh approcah and perspective come in.

Also he must have no say in his successor..down that path madness lies.

if he was going out on a high then yes but this stale fizzling out in the dog days of his reign with no success means he shouldnt have any influence over the decision as the malaise has occurred under his watch...

[Boomer]

I actually feel a bit sorry for him.

We needed to move to the AG but I fear the move will also be his undoing.
We're skint!
Before the announced move the team was going places, we even were invincible!
This was when the 'project' came in.

Given the circumstances I think he's done brilliantly, tactically inept at times, but given the lack of a budget we've remained in the top 4. I know that's not success but given the task in hand is really good work. I understand now why Wenger talks about us being able to be competitive!

[frankbutcher]

So far not one person who wants wenger out has answered my question?

Supporting Arsenal since 71 been to 100+ games used to go 4 or 5 times a season, don't go as often now due to the cost etc, a trip to 1 league game rarely comes in at less than 400-500 quid.
Though I don't see why I should have to justify my opinions to you or anyone else based on, or in any way related to whether or not I am a season ticket holder.

100+ games in 39 years...?

I've done more than that in the last 3 seasons.

Wenger out!

[skipper]

Inbetween 2000 - 2007 I used to go to about 10-15 home games, but I was a single young man without a family and now I'm not so from 2007 I just went for "big ones" but this season I didn't bother that much, only 2 or 3 matches...I simply don't think £50+ in this current economical climate and current state of AFC is good value for money at all and before I used to think that every penny I've spent on Arsenal was money well spent, but at Highbury I always felt like a supporter, unfortunately at Em***tes I feel like a punter, cause that's how I've been treated by current Board in charge of my football club. (shit food shit beer costing me shitloads, for example)

I also know quite few guys who still have season tickets, but don't go that often, one said "I don't enjoy it anymore"...the other one's pissed off with Wenger but would not admit it at the Stadium (perhaps that's why he's not going that often )...and we all still support AFC and forever will, but no man is bigger than the club, and AW is no exception...and for the record, I've wanted him out since spring of 2008. I could see it all then. Nothing will change. He will be our manager next season, with same lack of success, but I wonder how things will developed after that time.

[augie]

Every single one of us knows that this team needs quality reinforcements but I am not sure what has been pissing me off more.....the non purchase of these players or the failure to rid the club of the deadwood who will not make it and instead giving them new better contracts Everybody starts their complaints by complaining about not buying players but the more you read down through their posts the more you will see comments about not being ruthless enough with almunia, diaby, eboue etc

Anyway can I say it again that it is cos of a combination of both these reasons that I think wenger should go but if, and it is a huge if, he mades strides to rectify both then I would support him again regardless of whether he wins a trophy next season or not but evidence of a recognition of our problems and efforts to rectify them are paramount

[Boomer]

Every single one of us knows that this team needs quality reinforcements but I am not sure what has been pissing me off more.....the non purchase of these players or the failure to rid the club of the deadwood who will not make it and instead giving them new better contracts Everybody starts their complaints by complaining about not buying players but the more you read down through their posts the more you will see comments about not being ruthless enough with almunia, diaby, eboue etc

Anyway can I say it again that it is cos of a combination of both these reasons that I think wenger should go but if, and it is a huge if, he mades strides to rectify both then I would support him again regardless of whether he wins a trophy next season or not but evidence of a recognition of our problems and efforts to rectify them are paramount

I know what you mean but I believe theirs a tendancy or call it a nessecity to keep these players on longer contracts for several reasons.

1) It ties them and there committment down .
Wenger did say the longer your at a club the more you love it.

2) the longer the contract the more it costs to release them if bought. I think this is a major factor.
Rumours are that Lyon want Eduardo. Great but the fee is around £8M!

I'm not saying this is the way forward but I think the club are 'trying' to protect there investments.

[donaldo]

Clear this lot out

Alumunia
Flappy
Mannone
Sagna
Silvestre
Eboue
Diaby
Senderos
Merida
Denilson
Bendtner
Eduardo
Vela
Gilbert
Randall

Too right Sammy and i would add Walcott to that list

[augie]

Boomer, if I was a shit player getting somewhere between 30k-60k per week, playing in front of 60,000+ every home game and I was offered a new longer contract on increased money then I would fcuking love the club too

Secondly what club in the right mind would pay big money for some of our duds ? We have put these players in a privileged position financially but one that would probably see them leave us to go to another club cos the drop in wages would be too steep so how does these contracts help us ?

[augie]

Clear this lot out

Alumunia
Flappy
Mannone
Sagna
Silvestre
Eboue
Diaby
Senderos
Merida
Denilson
Bendtner
Eduardo
Vela
Gilbert
Randall

Too right Sammy and i would add Walcott to that list

Walcott yes but there is no way in the world that I would sell sagna who I still believe is the best defensive right back we have had for many a year

[Boomer]

Boomer, if I was a shit player getting somewhere between 30k-60k per week, playing in front of 60,000+ every home game and I was offered a new longer contract on increased money then I would fcuking love the club too

Secondly what club in the right mind would pay big money for some of our duds ? We have put these players in a privileged position financially but one that would probably see them leave us to go to another club cos the drop in wages would be too steep so how does these contracts help us ?

I'm not disagreeing with your points I'm just trying to understand and reason as to why the club are offering such long contracts. For some players it doesn't make sence.

Why give Rosicky and Eduardo long term contracts?
I can only come up with the reason that rather then lose them (on a free) is to tie them down to us.
It's either this or given our injuries some elaborate insurance scam!

[donaldo]

Clear this lot out

Alumunia
Flappy
Mannone
Sagna
Silvestre
Eboue
Diaby
Senderos
Merida
Denilson
Bendtner
Eduardo
Vela
Gilbert
Randall

Too right Sammy and i would add Walcott to that list

Walcott yes but there is no way in the world that I would sell sagna who I still believe is the best defensive right back we have had for many a year

First season yes but no one is going to tell me he hasnt gone backwards over the last two