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It's safe to assume that ramon copies films and music too

paid for it once on holiday but i was very drunk at the time

oooooooooh, free music and stuff, i really should have the the first post shouldn't I

Ive never ever paid for music. I dont intend to. As for films i just buy them on dvd or go to the cinema, as the quality is not the same.

Well as an old fucker who still owns vinyl albums he bought in the 70s I spose you can guess my answer Probably an oldens thing but I'd rather own the physical thing meself, music or films with all the extrys that go with dvds or de lux re-issues of old albums. Nowhere near as much fun having all your music etc stored digitally on a computer/external hard drive blahdiddyblah. I mean, I remember the "Never Mind The Bollocks" album cover causing national outrage when placed in shop windows in 77 and cerrtain dozy police forces trying to prosecute record shops for it Can't see anywhere near as much fun being had by geeks with it all stored in a miniscule machine
PS which reminds me, RIP Malcolm Mclaren. Not always me favopurite geezer from the time but somebody who certainly knew how to stir things up, made things happen and genrally knew how to be a pain in the fucking arse. Top geezer and a realy top irreverent funeral When it's my time I'd love one like that, might be a few less people there tho

charliegeorgewhocanhitem wrote:Well as an old fucker who still owns vinyl albums he bought in the 70s I spose you can guess my answer Probably an oldens thing but I'd rather own the physical thing meself, music or films with all the extrys that go with dvds or de lux re-issues of old albums. Nowhere near as much fun having all your music etc stored digitally on a computer/external hard drive blahdiddyblah. I mean, I remember the "Never Mind The Bollocks" album cover causing national outrage when placed in shop windows in 77 and cerrtain dozy police forces trying to prosecute record shops for it Can't see anywhere near as much fun being had by geeks with it all stored in a miniscule machine
PS which reminds me, RIP Malcolm Mclaren. Not always me favopurite geezer from the time but somebody who certainly knew how to stir things up, made things happen and genrally knew how to be a pain in the fucking arse. Top geezer and a realy top irreverent funeral When it's my time I'd love one like that, might be a few less people there tho

Well said CG, for the reasons you give.

And mate, don't worry, we'll all be there when the time comes...as long as the Arsenal aren't playing on the same day

marcengels wrote:

charliegeorgewhocanhitem wrote:Well as an old fucker who still owns vinyl albums he bought in the 70s I spose you can guess my answer Probably an oldens thing but I'd rather own the physical thing meself, music or films with all the extrys that go with dvds or de lux re-issues of old albums. Nowhere near as much fun having all your music etc stored digitally on a computer/external hard drive blahdiddyblah. I mean, I remember the "Never Mind The Bollocks" album cover causing national outrage when placed in shop windows in 77 and cerrtain dozy police forces trying to prosecute record shops for it Can't see anywhere near as much fun being had by geeks with it all stored in a miniscule machine
PS which reminds me, RIP Malcolm Mclaren. Not always me favopurite geezer from the time but somebody who certainly knew how to stir things up, made things happen and genrally knew how to be a pain in the fucking arse. Top geezer and a realy top irreverent funeral When it's my time I'd love one like that, might be a few less people there tho

Well said CG, for the reasons you give.

And mate, don't worry, we'll all be there when the time comes...as long as the Arsenal aren't playing on the same day

Cheers fella and if the Arsenal are playing the same day I expect my remains to be taken there to bemoan the fact that we aint playin at Highbury

Guys, guys, guys, there's some very bad advice on here!!

Anyone who uses P2P sites and torrents are asking for trouble. For starters, there may be new viruses that ARE NOT yet part of your anti-virus software. Even worse, your ISP CAN and DOES track every site you go to, and also notes what IP you are downloading from. It doesn't matter what site you use or even if you use app's like 'Peer Guardian' which supposedly blocks snoopers from tracking your Interweb habits.

The only way you can be 'safe' from being tracked by the authorities is to download using SSL (Single socket layer) technology which means your ISP can see you are downloading something but cannot see what, so there is nothing they can, or will do about it other than throttle your broadband usage if you are downloading too many gigabytes of data per month.

'Usenet' is the thing to use for downloading.....sign up to a news server....Astraweb are good. Then download a client application which will download the .nzb files. Then, you can use search tool to find the files you want.
Examples you can use are:
Astraweb (News server) costs £7 a month
Newsleecher as the downloading software (equivalent of Vuze)
NZBMatrix as the search tool, £2.99 a month makes you a VIP user and you see two years or so retention of files online. Viruses are pretty much non-existent as people that pay don't generally upload viruses, you can choose to download via the news server by normal connection or by SSL connection (no contest there) Download speeds are MUCH better than using P2P, I normally get between 1.5-1.8mbps.

There's thousands and thousands of films, TV, games, app's, music etc available. Formats from HDTV, Blu-ray films, divx, BR rips, HD 264......

So for a tenner a month you can have secure and pretty safe downloading. Yes, some people want everything for free, but believe me, you ARE being watched.

TeeCee wrote:Guys, guys, guys, there's some very bad advice on here!!

Anyone who uses P2P sites and torrents are asking for trouble. For starters, there may be new viruses that ARE NOT yet part of your anti-virus software. Even worse, your ISP CAN and DOES track every site you go to, and also notes what IP you are downloading from. It doesn't matter what site you use or even if you use app's like 'Peer Guardian' which supposedly blocks snoopers from tracking your Interweb habits.

The only way you can be 'safe' from being tracked by the authorities is to download using SSL (Single socket layer) technology which means your ISP can see you are downloading something but cannot see what, so there is nothing they can, or will do about it other than throttle your broadband usage if you are downloading too many gigabytes of data per month.

'Usenet' is the thing to use for downloading.....sign up to a news server....Astraweb are good. Then download a client application which will download the .nzb files. Then, you can use search tool to find the files you want.
Examples you can use are:
Astraweb (News server) costs £7 a month
Newsleecher as the downloading software (equivalent of Vuze)
NZBMatrix as the search tool, £2.99 a month makes you a VIP user and you see two years or so retention of files online. Viruses are pretty much non-existent as people that pay don't generally upload viruses, you can choose to download via the news server by normal connection or by SSL connection (no contest there) Download speeds are MUCH better than using P2P, I normally get between 1.5-1.8mbps.

There's thousands and thousands of films, TV, games, app's, music etc available. Formats from HDTV, Blu-ray films, divx, BR rips, HD 264......

So for a tenner a month you can have secure and pretty safe downloading. Yes, some people want everything for free, but believe me, you ARE being watched.

aah fuck it, just give me a good ole "record shop" anyday

free downloading isnt anonymous as pointed out but it hardly matters, so many millions of people do it that you wont be charged unless you are really ripping the piss (ie downloading hundreds of albums a day)

I actually think downloading "illegally" is safer than downloading legally. This is simply because i dont trust entering my credit card details on the internet and only do it when i really have to.

Anyway, do be wary, there are some viruses about that you really dont want to get when you illegally download. for instance, you really wouldnt want this fucker:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8622665.stm



Honestly, when i searched for scat, i was actually just looking for the scatman john album

TeeCee wrote:Guys, guys, guys, there's some very bad advice on here!!

Anyone who uses P2P sites and torrents are asking for trouble. For starters, there may be new viruses that ARE NOT yet part of your anti-virus software. Even worse, your ISP CAN and DOES track every site you go to, and also notes what IP you are downloading from. It doesn't matter what site you use or even if you use app's like 'Peer Guardian' which supposedly blocks snoopers from tracking your Interweb habits.

The only way you can be 'safe' from being tracked by the authorities is to download using SSL (Single socket layer) technology which means your ISP can see you are downloading something but cannot see what, so there is nothing they can, or will do about it other than throttle your broadband usage if you are downloading too many gigabytes of data per month.

'Usenet' is the thing to use for downloading.....sign up to a news server....Astraweb are good. Then download a client application which will download the .nzb files. Then, you can use search tool to find the files you want.
Examples you can use are:
Astraweb (News server) costs £7 a month
Newsleecher as the downloading software (equivalent of Vuze)
NZBMatrix as the search tool, £2.99 a month makes you a VIP user and you see two years or so retention of files online. Viruses are pretty much non-existent as people that pay don't generally upload viruses, you can choose to download via the news server by normal connection or by SSL connection (no contest there) Download speeds are MUCH better than using P2P, I normally get between 1.5-1.8mbps.

There's thousands and thousands of films, TV, games, app's, music etc available. Formats from HDTV, Blu-ray films, divx, BR rips, HD 264......

So for a tenner a month you can have secure and pretty safe downloading. Yes, some people want everything for free, but believe me, you ARE being watched.

Not discounting your post but who is watching and who is the authority?

It's rumoured that the major film and music studios/labels actually upload to P2P sites to catch people when they download. In this country, prosecution of individuals is rare still, they tend to go after the people who are making 'commercial' copies to sell on etc.
All the major service providers such as Virgin, BT etc signed up to an agreement last year I think it was, where they agreed to monitor illegal downloaders. Bear in mind that everything you download has to come through your ISP's servers, if it's not encrypted through SSL, then they can see exactly what you are downloading. The authority is ultimately the government obviously but directly it's the Telecoms regulators in this country who will police it.

TeeCee wrote:It's rumoured that the major film and music studios/labels actually upload to P2P sites to catch people when they download. In this country, prosecution of individuals is rare still, they tend to go after the people who are making 'commercial' copies to sell on etc.
All the major service providers such as Virgin, BT etc signed up to an agreement last year I think it was, where they agreed to monitor illegal downloaders. Bear in mind that everything you download has to come through your ISP's servers, if it's not encrypted through SSL, then they can see exactly what you are downloading. The authority is ultimately the government obviously but directly it's the Telecoms regulators in this country who will police it.

That's the problem. It's very difficult for the authorities to police something that is a world wide issue. Now I'm not saying 'I do it because they are' etc...but you're right here it can only be the ISP's (BT, Virgin etc..) that can police it but that's a task in itself. Many poeple now a days have laptops with connects wirelessly. Therefore the ISP point may not be the source. Not that I can but say I piggyback (connect) to my neighbours wirless router. It would be him that would be to blame!
Even more difficult if your using a wireless free hotspots where there is many in London.

yup, agree. There are people who have been done for downloading in this country, just normal people, but it's unlikely if you're sensible with amounts you download. But to be extra safe it's best to encrypt everything through SSL

VforVictory wrote:Pay.

Downloading music films etc is ripping someone off.

Funny, this is the only post in the whole thread that mentions that this is stealing, which is the most obvious point of all. If you wouldn't nick a Mars bar from the newsagent etc...

No excuse is valid in my book, although there are millions of them out there, none of them excuse the fact that no matter what you think of whoever made the film / album / whatever, it's their property, available for sale exclusively on commercial terms and you're nicking it.

Makes me wonder if people would actually walk out of Tesco without paying for their shopping if they thought they couldn't get caught.

Well maybe music/film companies can explain why a CD or DVD costs up to double in this country than it does in the USA, when production costs are the same?
There's ripping off illegally and ripping off legally. Many would say they are the same thing and that you reap what you sow. These companies have milked fans for years so I say stuff 'em.