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augie wrote:please dont get confused between opposition to usmanov(of which I would agree with) and opposition to DD or indeed support for the board - just because the thought of usmanov owning our club scares us it does not mean that the current board are the right people to take us forward.
Augie, there are things you say that are right and things I disagree with - for once, I won't bore everyne to tears with one of my over-long posts, so I'll skip over plenty of points I could comment on.
But bear this one point in mind: whether you want Dein back because he did lots of good stuff in the past or (like me) would rather he disappeared for his act of treachery, Dein has no power now. His shares are gone, he can only function with the support of Usmanov and he therefore has to do anything Usmanov wants.
If, as you say, you don't want Usmanov, then it's goodbye to Dein too.
PS: I remember those shit days in the early 80s very well, and we should all remember what the club was like then.
Augie, me old mate, I would urge you to consider this...
That Usmanov is a fat *word censored*. Just imagine how much it would cost to get a reinforced chair for him to sit on in the board room? The days of us having a £190 million income would be long gone...
For all the counter-rumours and pre-season gloom about lack of funds & new signings, Arsene has once again proved the maestro. Dein can go & shite with his Russian-tainted loot. Anyhow, it appearsHill-Wood has just come out strongly against Usmanov & Dein:
Augie I don't want to curb your fervour but it's a fine line my friend between passion and anger, you seem to take umbrage at peoples views all too easily, made worse by the fact that your views, particularly regarding the current unrest at board level hold very little water, and your attempts to defend DD no matter what are looking increasingly futile - who's guilty of blind devotion now???
I mean can you imagine if the situation was totally reversed and PHW and co. opposed the Grove and said we should go to Wembley but DD insisted on stayin in our home town of Islington and moved mountains to achieve it, you'd be singin his praises to anyone who'd listen and pointing to it as proof that you were right all along and he was indeed the man to bring the club into the 21st century!
Then also imagine that even tho you'd be glad to see the back of him, on his way to his tax haven Danny Fiz sold his shares to Usmanov, you would probably come on here cursin, and wishin rabies and the plague or somethin on him, and sayin told yous all they were a bunch of c**ts who didn't care about the club or the fans!!!
Now as I said in my previous post I do not want to assassinate DD's character, and I have yet to come across a post from anyone which suggests that they hate him in fact most are all too willing to give the credit he deserves for where we are today, in fact Augie you seem to be the only one on here who regularly hates, and people have to respond in kind to bring some balance to the debate, cos even tho we all know of his devotion to AFC, as he jockeys for position his priorities seem becoming slightly less honourable, and the club seems to have slipped from his No.1 spot!
On the Henry front the only reason board members have been saying that he was having a negative effect on the team is cos it's 100% true, you know it, I know it, Wenger knew it, even the man himself knew it, but again nobody is slaggin him off they are merely responding to the doom mongerers who are viewing Henry's departure as proof that the club is on the slippery slope!
I don't know about anyone else but as I have repeatedly stated I've absolutely no problem with DD coming back, but not at all costs and I must admit his stock has certainly taken a bit of a dive lately!
With all due respect Augie, I've got to laugh at you sometimes, comments like "the Ashburton Grove project aside this board doesn't have enough drive" you talk about the Grove as if it was givin Highbury a new lick of paint, and suggesting that age old principles have suddenly changed and sound business no longer works - very strange to say the least!
When AW was talking about fighting for 4th place every year, he was indeed referring to if other clubs did a "Chav$ki" but how many of the clubs that you went on to mention have a genuine cash multi-billionaire benefactor, who doesn't care one iota about balancing the books, and this is why I asked him that very thing less than a week ago, and he answered quite clearly that we would soon discover the wisdom of jumping into bed with INVESTORS and just how generous they are actually goin to be!
On DF's decision to sell his shares to Kronke he actually sold only 659 shares to round off his holding to exactly 15,000 shares and he sold them to an American bank at DD's behest under the guise of testing the market and the current value of the shares and I think that they have a pretty good idea that DD knew the bank was a front for Kronke all along and if it is true is it any wonder Fizsman is pissed, and the fact that DD also helped Kronke get the real piece of cake - the ITV shares, tends to lend a lot of weight to their suspicions!
Now to Cashley the board actually did endorse DD's offer of 60k per week, but they were not willing to pay that fuckin snake Barnett his 250k commission for each year of the contract so that had to come out of the silly little boy's wages reducing them to 'only' 55k per week!
The last two pargraphs of your post say very little but on your point of it's AW that's making the board look good, nobody would deny that not even PHW who said on Sky the other nite, and I quote "everything good surrounding this club at the minute is down to him (Wenger)" but you also have to remember that Le Boss has said a million times that the reason he keeps on extending his contract is because he is very happy with and trusts the people he works with and therefore enjoys a good working environment free from interference and the board must take credit for providing that and supporting him 100% but it's a no-brainer really cos he is the most in demand manager in world football, bar none and everybody knows it, especially the board!
cor, this fecking thread is wider than usmanov ( ) .. and is fecking hard to read, what with scrolling all over the place ..
TS, u are one of the tekkies, how about getting this bb tool to auto-wrap long URLs, and auto-shrink wider images to maintain thread readability ?
Anyways, on this takeover/DD subject, I have in the past been most vocal in my support for DD .. and maybe even for some foreign investment. However, the recent aggressive acquisition of shares by R&W and the fact that they have obviously not amicably had discussions with the board has killed off my support for DD for good .. This is a distabilising act, and he is not even coming out to assuage fans concerns (considering how vocal he was earlier) ...
As to the need for foreign investments, with the level of incomes this club could be making, I am no longer in support of outright foreign ownership because I fear dictatorship. I will welcome friendly share-holders wherever they may come from, as long as they fit in within the stable board structure that we currently have .. and are willing to maintain the traditions of the club ..
Would also like to revive this thread, to discuss further, to see if wider opinion changes, but most of all to see if anyone who has already voted admits they would vote differently now, especially the FIVE who actually voted that they'd like to see a mate of that other crook Abramovich take over our club - I mean fuckssake lads, where's your heads at???
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who actually voted that they'd like to see a mate of that other crook Abramovich take over our club - I mean fuckssake lads, where's your heads at??? 
