We will survive

[gusher311]

Is this thread the ultimate over-reaction? I'm not sure many people share my views, but in my opinion, Fabregas is highly over-rated. I can't remember many games where he was immense and/or world class. He seemed to be injured for half this season and yet we were still in the title hunt.

Don't get me wrong, I think he's a very good player. But to compare his departure to Henry's or Bergkamp's is laughable. Those players leaving marked the end of an era. This doesn't.

We're still in transition from Vieira's departure in 2005. Fabregas leaving doesn't change that, it just leads to another shuffle.

I don't even have time to give any reasons why you are so wrong with this post. You're an IDIOT

Great post. I stated that I was probably in the minority yet was expressing my views nonetheless, and all you can come back with is insults?

When I think of Vieira, Bergkamp, Henry, Pires etc., I can think back to so many highlights they had with the club (not all trophy based), as well as phenomenal games and performances they put in.

For instance, Vieira's cup winning penalty, the goal against Leicester that sealed the unbeaten season, the thunderbolt versus Newcastle, the cracker in the 3-2 victory against Man Utd at Highbury, the cool finish in the 5-4 at Tottenham, etc etc. The list goes on and on.

I think that Fabregas has been a great player, but hasn't made so many memories or had as great an impact as some give him credit for. I honestly don't think he'll be as missed as some people think.

So you "not having memories" of the great times we've had with him makes him over rated?? I'll stick to my original post about you.

[augie]

Is this thread the ultimate over-reaction? I'm not sure many people share my views, but in my opinion, Fabregas is highly over-rated. I can't remember many games where he was immense and/or world class. He seemed to be injured for half this season and yet we were still in the title hunt.

Don't get me wrong, I think he's a very good player. But to compare his departure to Henry's or Bergkamp's is laughable. Those players leaving marked the end of an era. This doesn't.

We're still in transition from Vieira's departure in 2005. Fabregas leaving doesn't change that, it just leads to another shuffle.

To be fair you have to look at the team that PV4, henry etc played in and then look at the team cesc is playing in and you will then recognise that it is much easier for a player to shine in a good/great team than it is to shine when you are in a team carrying useless *word censored* like diaby, almunia etc In fact when you look at things you have to admit that it is amazing that cesc has been able to carry this team to where they are

Cecs leaving is not just another shuffle.....it is not the same as when kolo, greedybayor,hleb flamoney or whoever left cos cesc is our fulcrum and it is around him that this team was being built. You cant just say well w'll need to adjust slightly cos the whole gameplan will have to change without him.

[marcengels]

Is this thread the ultimate over-reaction? I'm not sure many people share my views, but in my opinion, Fabregas is highly over-rated. I can't remember many games where he was immense and/or world class. He seemed to be injured for half this season and yet we were still in the title hunt.

Don't get me wrong, I think he's a very good player. But to compare his departure to Henry's or Bergkamp's is laughable. Those players leaving marked the end of an era. This doesn't.

We're still in transition from Vieira's departure in 2005. Fabregas leaving doesn't change that, it just leads to another shuffle.

To be fair you have to look at the team that PV4, henry etc played in and then look at the team cesc is playing in and you will then recognise that it is much easier for a player to shine in a good/great team than it is to shine when you are in a team carrying useless c**ts like diaby, almunia etc In fact when you look at things you have to admit that it is amazing that cesc has been able to carry this team to where they are

Cecs leaving is not just another shuffle.....it is not the same as when kolo, greedybayor,hleb flamoney or whoever left cos cesc is our fulcrum and it is around him that this team was being built. You cant just say well w'll need to adjust slightly cos the whole gameplan will have to change without him.

That's exactly the point augie, it's not us putting Cesc on a pedestal, it Wenger giving him 3 or 4 players worth of jobs to do on the pitch. He has to dictate play (just look at how much he has the ball), lead the team, score goals, and create goals.

If Cesc leaves, then Wenger will have to revert to his old system and find the strength through the centre of the team, and the flair/creativity wide/or just behind the front man (circa 1997 onwards).

[goonersid]

Bet when Brady left peeps thought we'd be even worse off without him too...

Yes we'll find it hard to adjust to life without Cesc (when he goes) but, do you seriously believe we'll never compete for another title again?
Some peeps are being COMPLETELY irrational about this. Whether we do it with Wenger the current board or another manager or a new owner we will back back to the summit.

In the meantime we have to accept we're not able to compete with the success of others and whilst the status quo remains some of our better players will eventually want to win things elsewhere.

A sad fact of life, i'm afraid.

We will never win another trophy under hapless, clueless, ball-less Wenger, he is yesterdays man and has been for 4 years.

[donaldo]

Bet when Brady left peeps thought we'd be even worse off without him too...

Yes we'll find it hard to adjust to life without Cesc (when he goes) but, do you seriously believe we'll never compete for another title again?
Some peeps are being COMPLETELY irrational about this. Whether we do it with Wenger the current board or another manager or a new owner we will back back to the summit.

In the meantime we have to accept we're not able to compete with the success of others and whilst the status quo remains some of our better players will eventually want to win things elsewhere.

A sad fact of life, i'm afraid.

We will never win another trophy under hapless, clueless, ball-less Wenger, he is yesterdays man and has been for 4 years.

Spot on Sid

The problem is not Cesc leaving but clueless Wenger staying

[antgel]

We've lost great players and managers in the past

Brady, Rocastle, Wright, Bergkamp, Pires, The back four, Seaman, O'Leray, Graham, Mee, the list goes on.

I've never been one to think any one player/manager is bigger than the club.

And if he goes now or next year it won't be a surprise. So why the wailing and gnashing of teeth?

Anyone would think the Apocalypse is about to descend upon us...

Because:
Sport is an outlet for people's personal frustrations with their own lives.
Some football fans are notoriously fickle.
Some people have double standards. e.g. Cesc can do no wrong, despite the fact that he has pretty much whored himself out there. Now *that's* rose-tinting. Or Wenger can do no right, despite the fact that his overall record as manager is still the best in the club's history.

I don't know why the moaners bother to "support". It's a football club, not a religion. You might think it's "in your heart" but it's a *choice*. If it's become too shit for you, jog on, problem solved. Don't worry about things you can't control.

I'm annoyed about some things, but I don't think unabated vitriol and hatred is especially constructive - in fact I find it rather embarrassing, classless and "Sky Sports" sensationalist mentality which is ironic considering many moans on here are about the club losing its class and tradition.

I am not calling for rose-tinting, I am calling for balance. People just seem to lose all proportion, things are either all great or all shit, and Arsenal fans used to be have a bit more common-sense than that, perhaps before the era of "instant success".

We were spoilt, and we've forgotten what it's like down here on Planet Earth.

[rigsby]

It does amaze me how Fabregas has never been considered by the english media to be one of the worlds best until it looks like he's leaving us.

We're Arsenal, the club goes on and so does life.

[ramon]

Txiki Begiristian admits defeat: “I wish it was as soon as possible. But we have to respect Arsenal’s wishes and the contract he has.â€

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[antgel]

It does amaze me how Fabregas has never been considered by the english media to be one of the worlds best until it looks like he's leaving us.

We're Arsenal, the club goes on and so does life.

No, it's Fabregas FC.

(Now we'll see who has a sense of humour.)

[ramon]

You believe he is going - i dont

[nino_rojo]

If it takes a transitional period then so be it.

Sorry but, everyone's taking this like it's some kind of bombshell. We know he's gonna leave to return to Barca one day. So why the shock and outrage?

Or didn't y'all really beleive he's gonna leave us?

It didn't take Nostradamus to predict it.

Nostradamus is the current owner of Barca right....?

[rigsby]

If they respect our stance so much why don't they fucking shut up about it