Let's All Laugh @ England

[Bergkamp-Genius]

Can we not just wait and see how the next round of games go before we start the executions, this is a group stage, it''s qualification from that group that matters and that is still possible.
We were poor last night, it happens, but it's what happens over three games that counts and a win over Slovenia will put us through and that is the only concern at this stage.
I've seen teams stink the place out in group stages and go on to win the thing so lets at least see if they can do enough to get out of the group stage, because if they do as unlikely as it may seem after last night, anything is possible..

As for some of the points made...all players in the top leagues that have already proved themselves in that league have a premium on their fee it's not just in England, you only have to look at some of the ridiculously inflated prices paid in Italy for Italian players to see that..

Also no matter how much you'd prefer not to believe that we have some world class players in the team there are half a dozen players in the England team that would create a feeding frenzy among the best clubs in europe if they were up for sale and if Glen Johnson continues to play and improve as he is doing he will be another, only Brazil Spain and Argentina could compare..

[Perryashburtongroves]

Did you even bother to watch the game or did you just spend the time sitting on your high horse pondering how brilliant you are for being above the chavvy nonsense of supporting your national team?

Yes I did watch the match and no I don't sit there and look down my nose at the England fans, many of whom are great, loyal fans. What winds me up is this arrogant attitude that some of these fans have towards any other country. You drew with Algeria who aren't that shit . Take the one point and move on. Germany lost to Serbia, their fans paid a lot to get there and they always travel in large numbers, Scotland have great support and haven't qualified since 1998. Just because you have a lot of fans that travel a long way, it doesn't make you more deserving of victory. According to some of them, England are the greatest team in every tournament, England will win simpley because they're England, if they lose it's the fault of the ref or tha ball or the other players diving. International tournaments are about coming together and seeing the best players in the world not about one country. If anyone's to be accussed of sitting on a high horse, it's the English media for sneering at the teams England play. "Oh, it's only Algeria, we'll thrash them." Do some resaech, respect your opponents.

Some of us have as much right to support other countries as others have to get behind England. A lot of my resentment towards England comes from the way the FA run the game and the way the media treat overseas players in this country. It's not about feeling superior to anyone, just giving an opinion about being a fan. If a load of us booed Arsenal off the pitch, it'd be upset that the team weren't getting the full support from the fans. Until people invent a no-loss game of football, surely people need to accept that poor performances happen regardless of how far they travel.

[augie]

Perry that is an excellent response

[AA23Northbank]

Did you even bother to watch the game or did you just spend the time sitting on your high horse pondering how brilliant you are for being above the chavvy nonsense of supporting your national team?

Yes I did watch the match and no I don't sit there and look down my nose at the England fans, many of whom are great, loyal fans. What winds me up is this arrogant attitude that some of these fans have towards any other country. You drew with Algeria who aren't that shit . Take the one point and move on. Germany lost to Serbia, their fans paid a lot to get there and they always travel in large numbers, Scotland have great support and haven't qualified since 1998. Just because you have a lot of fans that travel a long way, it doesn't make you more deserving of victory. According to some of them, England are the greatest team in every tournament, England will win simpley because they're England, if they lose it's the fault of the ref or tha ball or the other players diving. International tournaments are about coming together and seeing the best players in the world not about one country. If anyone's to be accussed of sitting on a high horse, it's the English media for sneering at the teams England play. "Oh, it's only Algeria, we'll thrash them." Do some resaech, respect your opponents.

Some of us have as much right to support other countries as others have to get behind England. A lot of my resentment towards England comes from the way the FA run the game and the way the media treat overseas players in this country. It's not about feeling superior to anyone, just giving an opinion about being a fan. If a load of us booed Arsenal off the pitch, it'd be upset that the team weren't getting the full support from the fans. Until people invent a no-loss game of football, surely people need to accept that poor performances happen regardless of how far they travel.

One of the best posts I've read on here. From an Arsenal point of view, we're constantly bashed when we complain about the over-physical approach of teams managed by idiots like Allardyce, Pulis, Brown etc etc even when incidents like Eduardo and Ramsey come along. The problem is not too many overseas players in the PL, it's the alarming lack of technical and tactical ability of the English players. When you play in this country, more praise is giving to the thumping tackle, the long ball and a powerful, maraudering rather than the crucial interception or even the inch perfect through ball and control of the football. The Capello appointment was just an attempt by the FA to win a trophy (a quick fix); English football needs to look at how the game is run and the sort of players it produces. The only English player that can tecnically hold a candle to the likes of Xavi, Cesc, Snejider, Iniesta, Messi etc etc is Rooney. The rest don't have a clue tactically or technically

[safcftm]

We desperately need Joe Cole. Why the fuck he wasnt brought on when Milner went off in the first game i have no idea (SWP on the left wing? ).

He is the only creative midfielder we have, and if we play him either from the left or just behind rooney, it would mean that rooney might get the ball in dangerous areas and not constantly need to drop into midfield to try and get the ball. If Rooney is dropping deep, that leaves only Heskey to score the goals and, as we all know, the useless prick couldnt hit his own fat arse with a banjo

Not having Cole as an integral part of the side has been Capello's biggest mistake thus far, and it might be too late to rectify it

[Perryashburtongroves]

One of the best posts I've read on here

Perry that is an excellent response

Thanks, lads. I thought it was one of my weaker ones, though.

AA23Northbank, you're spot on mate. It's all very well having a go at the overseas players but they are in no way to blame for a lack of technial ability in England's players. How is it their fault that a goalkeeper can't stop a ball, that the England midfielders and defenders resort to hoofing it up front and that successive England managers inherit players in their mid-late 20s that are so inferior in technique, attitude and emotional intelligence when compared to them?
I'm expecting a massive backlash now from the same newspapers and tv channels that a week ago were screaming about how England were going to walk through everyone. There's just no middle, reasonable ground in this country which results in fans getting upset, frustarated and then booing their own team. The FA and the media have fed them so much propaganda that they've now accpeted it as fact.

[merson_is_god]

It was a shambles. I can't believe we played that badly. Looking back on past tournaments, in Italia 90 we drew our opening two matches and scraped past Egypt and ended up in the Semi Finals!

There's a bit of optimism for you!

[GunnerDude]

They are not the greatest team but the fans have the right to believe that a team with Lamps Gerrard Rooney Cashley e.t.c can do alot better.

[RNTGOONER]

All of this is so true, and it worries me a bit that alot of top notch players are leaving the premiership.

And some of them feel England could ultimately shorten thier playing time, because they are taking so many big hits from the ridgwells, shawcrosses gerrards, and playing so many games without a break.


I think torres also made a statement about that fact.

The ammount of times that RVP and cesc get hit with "an old fashioned english tackle" I am suprised they play as many games as they do.

I Knew Birmingham would manage to damage cesc and arshavin, I called it before kick off.

We played hull, brum, wolves and stoke in short succsession and it took it's toll, we ended up having a resevre team playing in spurs game, and had a very very weakened team in the camp nou.

[Perryashburtongroves]

They are not the greatest team but the fans have the right to believe that a team with Lamps Gerrard Rooney Cashley e.t.c can do alot better.

I agree with you. Yes, fans should expect to see a team with players as talented as that do well. At the same time though, I feel that booing a team does not do anything for a team. I wholly understand the frustration of the fans and I suppose we'd rather see a bit of booing than the reaction we would have got from them 10 or so years ago. I don't however like it at all when teams get booed off. In my opinion it's a spoilt thing to do; yes they've travelled far and gone with high hopes but this is competitive football, it's tough work, these things happen.

Their team is still in, be happy you're still there and not at home. Go up Table Mountain, pat a lion cub, swim in the sea, go to the beach, go to Robben Island, swim with sharks in Port Elizableth, play football with kids in the street. Make the most of it. Oh, and knock out Adebayor if you get the chance.

[LDB]

Did you even bother to watch the game or did you just spend the time sitting on your high horse pondering how brilliant you are for being above the chavvy nonsense of supporting your national team?

Yes I did watch the match and no I don't sit there and look down my nose at the England fans, many of whom are great, loyal fans. What winds me up is this arrogant attitude that some of these fans have towards any other country. You drew with Algeria who aren't that shit . Take the one point and move on. Germany lost to Serbia, their fans paid a lot to get there and they always travel in large numbers, Scotland have great support and haven't qualified since 1998. Just because you have a lot of fans that travel a long way, it doesn't make you more deserving of victory. According to some of them, England are the greatest team in every tournament, England will win simpley because they're England, if they lose it's the fault of the ref or tha ball or the other players diving. International tournaments are about coming together and seeing the best players in the world not about one country. If anyone's to be accussed of sitting on a high horse, it's the English media for sneering at the teams England play. "Oh, it's only Algeria, we'll thrash them." Do some resaech, respect your opponents.

Some of us have as much right to support other countries as others have to get behind England. A lot of my resentment towards England comes from the way the FA run the game and the way the media treat overseas players in this country. It's not about feeling superior to anyone, just giving an opinion about being a fan. If a load of us booed Arsenal off the pitch, it'd be upset that the team weren't getting the full support from the fans. Until people invent a no-loss game of football, surely people need to accept that poor performances happen regardless of how far they travel.

Where to start....

First, heres some research on algeria: Have scored 1 goal and won only 1 of their last 7 games.

Heres their record at major tournaments:

World cup

1930 to 1962 Did not enter
1966 Withdrew
1970 to 1978 Did not qualify
1982 Round 1
1986 Round 1
1990 to 2006 Did not qualify
2010 Qualified

Their ACN record is better but highly sporadic, are you seriously saying English fans/media aren't allowed to be confident of beating teams like this?

I'd understand all this arrogance shit if algeria had played out of their skins to earn a draw, but that wasnt the game i watched. I watched a slow, disinterested england side play so deep that algeria were barely under any pressure either when they had or didnt have the ball, entirely different from the Germany-Serbia game where they played well but the rub of the green just went against them at every major point in the game.

And the point that i think is most important to consider is that it didnt just look like a case of the players not having a good game. They looked despirited, like they were no longer playing for their manager or their fans. I saw a bunch of prima donnas who for whatever reason were throwing their toys out of the pram. Poor game, sure. That poor? Not good enough and deserves the be booed.

" A lot of my resentment towards England comes from the way the FA run the game and the way the media treat overseas players in this country". Im sorry but this is the most rediculous thing i have ever read. I hate the way our current borad runs Arsenal but it doesn't make me resent the club.

As for the media mistreating overseas players... i agree with you but what has that got to do with the national side? I honestly dont get where you're coming from with that one . If you dont like the media (i dont either) then dont buy their rags or tune into their radio stations or give them website hits.

[Cockerill's chin]

The media just can't stop their xenophobia. Claridge was on BBC this morning laying the blame at Capello's door. His argument was based on Gerrard playing wide left. He completely ignored the fact that he played through the middle against USA and the team was still woeful. He said players didn't know what was expected of them Rooney and Heskey up front. I think they should know their striker's role. Lampard and Barry in middle - tick for understanding their role. Lennon out wide - tick. Cole and Johnson pushing forward from full back - tick. Who the fuck in the team was in an unfamiliar role??? Oh yes - I think playing Gerrard just behind Rooney is going to answer all England's prayers I think we should conveniently forget he hasn't turned up in a football shirt this season. His only outstanding performance was getting acquitted.

I was really looking forward to the World Cup but England are again playing like a shower of shite. I think the problem with England is the demigogue status the players adopt and the pundits alot them. Poor technique is dismissed because they have grit and courage. AW complaining about overt aggression on talented players is derided by fat sam and his ilk at Hull/Stoke and in the press. Foreigners just can't stand up to the English style without whinging .

As is evident in South Africa; we have no style. Shawcross wouldn't last 45 minutes on a world cup pitch. The richest federation in the world still refuse to develop technique through funding Burtonwood. Let's continue to celebrate mediocrity in the English game and build the lads up as if they are gods. Then for some stupid English reason, we still get surprised when we get behaviour like Terry/Gerrard/Cole etc .

Let's celebrate each Shawcross/Taylor/Terry lunge beacuse it shows grit and teaches those talented players not to take the piss. Is there a single English player in the game today who has a fraction of the technique of RVP/Messi/Ronaldo?

Then, when we get what we deserve at tournaments and are globally ridiculed by der Kaiser and all for our lack of guile and technique; rather than face up to the fact that this very average/overhyped team is our own creating, we blame the foreign manager!

[Radford149]

engerlund are crap according to radford. he constantly laughs at the hype and crap that surrounds the team. he hope they go out soon and then he can laugh at the rants on the phone-ins and in print

[LDB]

The media just can't stop their xenophobia. Claridge was on BBC this morning laying the blame at Capello's door. His argument was based on Gerrard playing wide left. He completely ignored the fact that he played through the middle against USA and the team was still woeful. He said players didn't know what was expected of them Rooney and Heskey up front. I think they should know their striker's role. Lampard and Barry in middle - tick for understanding their role. Lennon out wide - tick. Cole and Johnson pushing forward from full back - tick. Who the fuck in the team was in an unfamiliar role??? Oh yes - I think playing Gerrard just behind Rooney is going to answer all England's prayers I think we should conveniently forget he hasn't turned up in a football shirt this season. His only outstanding performance was getting acquitted.

I was really looking forward to the World Cup but England are again playing like a shower of shite. I think the problem with England is the demigogue status the players adopt and the pundits alot them. Poor technique is dismissed because they have grit and courage. AW complaining about overt aggression on talented players is derided by fat sam and his ilk at Hull/Stoke and in the press. Foreigners just can't stand up to the English style without whinging .

As is evident in South Africa; we have no style. Shawcross wouldn't last 45 minutes on a world cup pitch. The richest federation in the world still refuse to develop technique through funding Burtonwood. Let's continue to celebrate mediocrity in the English game and build the lads up as if they are gods. Then for some stupid English reason, we still get surprised when we get behaviour like Terry/Gerrard/Cole etc .

Let's celebrate each Shawcross/Taylor/Terry lunge beacuse it shows grit and teaches those talented players not to take the piss. Is there a single English player in the game today who has a fraction of the technique of RVP/Messi/Ronaldo?

Then, when we get what we deserve at tournaments and are globally ridiculed by der Kaiser and all for our lack of guile and technique; rather than face up to the fact that this very average/overhyped team is our own creating, we blame the foreign manager!

Top post.

[Perryashburtongroves]

I'd understand all this arrogance shit if algeria had played out of their skins to earn a draw, but that wasnt the game i watched. I watched a slow, disinterested england side play so deep that algeria were barely under any pressure either when they had or didnt have the ball, entirely different from the Germany-Serbia game where they played well but the rub of the green just went against them at every major point in the game.

And the point that i think is most important to consider is that it didnt just look like a case of the players not having a good game. They looked despirited, like they were no longer playing for their manager or their fans. I saw a bunch of prima donnas who for whatever reason were throwing their toys out of the pram. Poor game, sure. That poor? Not good enough and deserves the be booed.

" A lot of my resentment towards England comes from the way the FA run the game and the way the media treat overseas players in this country". Im sorry but this is the most rediculous thing i have ever read. I hate the way our current borad runs Arsenal but it doesn't make me resent the club.

As for the media mistreating overseas players... i agree with you but what has that got to do with the national side? I honestly dont get where you're coming from with that one . If you dont like the media (i dont either) then dont buy their rags or tune into their radio stations or give them website hits.

I understand your points, mate and agree that England's fans should expect to beat Algeria. What I'm trying to say though is that it's no the end of the world. Judging by some of the things that I've seen and heard this morning, you'd be forgiven for thinking that England were out already. I'd rather be in Capello's shoes right now than any of the French squad and I bet theire fans expected to beat Mexico- albeit a bit stronger than Algeria. Things could be tougher and more worrying for England.
If Arsenal had drawn two games of the season against weaker teams I'd be annoyed but still be optimistic of things getting better. Saying that though, I accpet that in major tournaments it's easier to be knocked out than fall off the pace in the Premiership.
Your point abou the lack of effort is also valid. As an outsider looking at that game, I too was struck by how slow and lethargic England looked. If you can't get up for a world cup game then go and do something else. They had a decent side out there but, and this is the but, are they really as good as the English public is led to believe? That'a a question I'd like to hear your views on just out of interest. Player for player they are better than Algeria but that doesn't take into account the effort that you mention in your post. If you aren't up for it and the other team is, they will out-fight you and that can level the playing field.
You call my point about the FA ridiculous and then assume I'm English and should therefore automatically support England. Firstly, I don't think and correct me if I'm wrong, that they do enough to help the game outside of the professional structure. Kids' football relies on the good nature of voluteerers and lovers' of the game. The FA do very little to help schools as I have seen at first hand and have made Saturday and Sunday morning football very difficult for a lot of young men who want to play matches. This, I accept doesn't directly affect the England team and perhaps shouldn't turn one away from them but I don't have any reason to support them. I'm not from a England background but resect the fans that travel great distances to watch their team. I think they do desreve better but shouldn't get over-anxious at two draws. Get over-anxious when you've got a shoot-out with the Germans.