fuck off wenger...

[merse_10]

thank fuck the likes of martin and the rest of u sit on the net watching arsenal games instead of being there.i choose to get behind WHATEVER team is put out by WHATEVER manager because i support ARSENAL.
yeah things aint goin our way right now but getting on everyones back aint gonna help turn it around.
do you think THE BOARD are gonna listen to a couple of bell ends on an internet forum slagging off every little thing, or the general paying faithful who actually turn up to pay their money and actually derseve an opinion.
you sit there across the pond slaggin off this club when you've put fuck all into it(besides your obvious scars )

come back at me with what u like but bottom line is i paid £910 quid to have my opinion,most of you deserve fuck all say cos u sit there watching games on a free stream and hate the shirt,hate the manager,hate the way the club is run.

so remind me,WHY DO U SUPPORT THE ARSENAL ANYWAY???

thick and thin,good times and bad,win or lose
(ps,what did you do after wigan done us last year martin???turn ur computer off and forget about it??most of us had a 3 hour drive thinkin about it and ill do it again this yearTHATS LOYALTY,THATS SUPPORT)

[g88ner]

do you think THE BOARD are gonna listen to a couple of bell ends on an internet forum slagging off every little thing, or the general paying faithful who actually turn up to pay their money and actually derseve an opinion?

Ah, is this a trick question?? - the answer, quite clearly, is that the board will listen to neither bell-ends on the internet OR the paying public at games!

[GoonerN5]

augie - Liverpool opening day is a difficult match especially if no RVP and Fabregas.

I just can't understand what is going on there, how much time off do they require.

Lose at Anfield and imagine Flappy or Alumunia dropping a clanger (more than a distinct possability) then AW is straight under pressure.

Agree though, the others games at the start look good.

Beating the big boys is the problem though.

If Van Persie and Fabregas dont play at Anfield then thats a fucking disgrace, it shows no ambition to win the league and yet again Wenger/the board are happy with a top 4 finish, if this is the case then Wenger needs to fuck off because yet again he is taking the piss out of us, theres no excuse for them not playing, and after one game were possibly playing catch up. Cant agree that Blackpool at home will be easy, they have nothing to lose, remember Hull? Also tricky away game at Blackburn and Bolton at home aint easy either, saying that we should beat both of those at home, in the past we would be expected to beat Blackburn away but I cant see that happening

[worthing gooner]

This is an age old debate with who is behind the team/or not, who goes/who doesnt..
We are turning out to be quite a negative bunch on here especially when it goes by the way of the pear.
It does become frustrating but having constant pops at everything Arsenal aint good for your health people. I have a Manc mate (Red) side who says that their lot still grizzle at what goes on so we as fans are never happy. We never spend enough money/the fans are crap/tickets too expensive.. the list goes on..
Try and enjoy your football people as much as you can and be positive or whers the enjoyment gone??

[USMartin]

Ah, but that's the thing - I don't think it is being ignored. It's been mentioned on this forum thousands of times before. I'm not sure if it's possible, but if you do a word search on this forum for the board and the board members, then you'll see that it's been debated repeatedly since the forum started in 2006.

I am sure that some Gooners have held similar or the same views as early as then. But having been trying to inform people as much then as I am now I can tell yu that more than likely even foewer people who felt this way probably felt even less strongly on it. My point which feeds into your comments below is that we can't let people just ignore this any longer.

Thing is though, as a forum, there's very little influence we have other than signing the odd petition or emailing one of the supporters groups.

Thing is you may be right but the bigger thing is you may just be wrong. Assunimg there is little or nothing we can do is no different than sying like merse10 seems to be saying "who cares ? It's boring". Doing nothing is doing nothing no matter the reasoning, and its all the harder to understand when you consider we don't know with absloulte certainty that it won't work

My point is, it's not about the forum ignoring it that should concern you - it's the board not hearing our voice, and that can only change if you take your fight to a higher authority than us! - many on here agree that the board should be doing more, or at least level with us! - but we can't do anything more than agree or disagree with you as we have zero influence on the board and never will.

Let's make it heard then! And the more people we can get to speak up the louder it will be and maybe just maybe the Board will hear it. If they don't or they do and ignore it at least we stood up for Arsenal and they will be exposed for the dishonest businessmen who disregarded the trust of the supporters in them as Custodians of the Club and their legacies will be stained forever, and for some of them that matters and so there is a chance they will hear and even listen to us then.

In fact, I very much doubt that ANY of the supporters groups have an influence at board level, do they??

I agree here, though its not so much the fault of the supporters groups themselves as down to the Board very cleverly "working closely" with them which dilutes those groups abilities to pressure the Board sufficiently. Its a tried-and-tested strategy that undermines reform or protest movements of all sorts. You get the protesters to be partners in what you are doing and they believe they are achieving more than they are for far too long. A new group that isn't willing to work on the Bord's terms or schedule is needed now, that can work with the other groups and allow them to continue their efforts and maybe our presence can actually get the Board to work more genuinely with those groups as well as with a new group.

I just think your energy is being wasted on here. You have an opinion, which is great - but you seem to be wanting more than an opinion; you're wanting change, and we can't help you with that, I'm afraid - in fact, I'm not sure who can?

I'm not sure you entirely wrong. But again I'm not sure you're right either, and we can't afford to assume you - or in fairness many other Gooners - are in fact right. If I'm wrong and you are right though at least we can say we tried. I think that will serve us all MUCH better - no matter what happens - if someday the question is asked "did you do all you could for the club?" then having to wonder if we did in fact - or worse having to acknowledge we failed to or chose not to.

[USMartin]

augie - Liverpool opening day is a difficult match especially if no RVP and Fabregas.

I just can't understand what is going on there, how much time off do they require.

Lose at Anfield and imagine Flappy or Alumunia dropping a clanger (more than a distinct possability) then AW is straight under pressure.

Agree though, the others games at the start look good.

Beating the big boys is the problem though.

If Van Persie and Fabregas dont play at Anfield then thats a fucking disgrace, it shows no ambition to win the league and yet again Wenger/the board are happy with a top 4 finish, if this is the case then Wenger needs to fuck off because yet again he is taking the piss out of us, theres no excuse for them not playing, and after one game were possibly playing catch up. Cant agree that Blackpool at home will be easy, they have nothing to lose, remember Hull? Also tricky away game at Blackburn and Bolton at home aint easy either, saying that we should beat both of those at home, in the past we would be expected to beat Blackburn away but I cant see that happening

But if Wenger needs to go because of that lack of ambition what reason is there to expect a Board who feel the same way at the very least will appoint anyone with any more ambition at all to replace him?

[Boomer]

Let's calm down with the Wenger hate for the moment.

The article in the Mirror isn't in full. There is a key paragraph missing.

Regarding the talk of signings. We technically had Sol as one of our other defenders and we were, and should have been confident of signing him.
Of course it wasn't to be and it would have been stupid for us to have tried to have signed another defender not knowing Sol's decision.

Then there's the Goalkeeper situation.
It's commonly known that AW's been trying to sign Schwarzer.
Okay not a great player but it's clear 'Woochec' is the player for the future. So AW's is looking for an experienced keeper as a short term measure and probably one that's got Premier League experience.

I'm sure there plenty of other 'Quality' players but given the situation and criteria Schwartzer fits Wengers bill.
Unfortunately, Fulham lost uncle Woy so negotiations have stalled.

Here's the key and missing part of the article.

'We' re looking outside to strengthen the squad and if we find the right players we will do it. There are always two periods of activity in the transfer window, very early and very late. I always did business very early and I always did it very late. The transfer market overall is very quiet. Clubs are very tight with money. I don't think Manchester City reflect in general the financial state of international football.'

Like most of us all transfers should be done early. To let them integrate etc..
I think Wenger is and has been addressing the problems. As this week both Sol's joined Newcastle and Hughes to Fulham I think we'll now see the additions.
He's got two weeks and the clock is ticking. I'll judge him after that.

[ambarron]

thank fuck the likes of martin and the rest of u sit on the net watching arsenal games instead of being there.i choose to get behind WHATEVER team is put out by WHATEVER manager because i support ARSENAL.
yeah things aint goin our way right now but getting on everyones back aint gonna help turn it around.
do you think THE BOARD are gonna listen to a couple of bell ends on an internet forum slagging off every little thing, or the general paying faithful who actually turn up to pay their money and actually derseve an opinion.
you sit there across the pond slaggin off this club when you've put fuck all into it(besides your obvious scars )

come back at me with what u like but bottom line is i paid £910 quid to have my opinion,most of you deserve fuck all say cos u sit there watching games on a free stream and hate the shirt,hate the manager,hate the way the club is run.

so remind me,WHY DO U SUPPORT THE ARSENAL ANYWAY???

thick and thin,good times and bad,win or lose
(ps,what did you do after wigan done us last year martin???turn ur computer off and forget about it??most of us had a 3 hour drive thinkin about it and ill do it again this yearTHATS LOYALTY,THATS SUPPORT)

mate - take a deep breath!!

i do agree that despite our frustrations with his stubborness, AW has done enough to deserve to be treated with more respect than too be called a *word censored* or told to fuck off!!!

however if you dont want to read criticism of the Arsenal, I suggest you dont use an internet message board or maybe use the official sight where the users wear red tinted glasses while typing

regardless of what you think AFC currently have glaring difficencies that i think many of us feel are never going to change!!

tbh after watching that today i realised that losing Cesc will not be the end of the world, we still will be great going forward, wilshire looked good as did nasri and chamkh (with RVP to return) however nothing changes at the back, a goal conceded that i have seen 100 times under AW (and we will 100 times more) why cant he just admit his faults and sign a goalie and also get someone who can coach defences on board!

people think we havent won a trophy since PV4 left, imo we havent been the same team since the back 5 finaly left us!!!

[g88ner]

I'm not sure you entirely wrong. But again I'm not sure you're right either, and we can't afford to assume you - or in fairness many other Gooners - are in fact right. If I'm wrong and you are right though at least we can say we tried. I think that will serve us all MUCH better - no matter what happens - if someday the question is asked "did you do all you could for the club?" then having to wonder if we did in fact - or worse having to acknowledge we failed to or chose not to.

Then do it, Martin!

You keep saying we should be doing something, but I'm not sure you've actually done anything yourself, have you?

You seem to have a lot to say (which is great) but unless you actually make things happen, then it's just empty words. You know as well as I do that if repeatedly voicing your concerns about the board on this forum is the best you can do, then you'll get nowhere!

What I'm saying, is that if you're SERIOUS, you have to practice what you preach. Do you have a website yet? do the supporters clubs know about you and your plans? do the board know of you? do the press?? - hell, does anyone outside Arsenal forums such as this one, and the others you've been banned from?

As a wise man once said.... "Build it and they will come" - or at the very least, they'll have a bandwagon to join, whereas at the moment the best people can do is either agree or disagree with you! so if you have bigger ambitions than that... do something about it NOW!

[Irish Gooner]

thank fuck the likes of martin and the rest of u sit on the net watching arsenal games instead of being there.i choose to get behind WHATEVER team is put out by WHATEVER manager because i support ARSENAL.
yeah things aint goin our way right now but getting on everyones back aint gonna help turn it around.
do you think THE BOARD are gonna listen to a couple of bell ends on an internet forum slagging off every little thing, or the general paying faithful who actually turn up to pay their money and actually derseve an opinion.
you sit there across the pond slaggin off this club when you've put fuck all into it(besides your obvious scars )

come back at me with what u like but bottom line is i paid £910 quid to have my opinion,most of you deserve fuck all say cos u sit there watching games on a free stream and hate the shirt,hate the manager,hate the way the club is run.

so remind me,WHY DO U SUPPORT THE ARSENAL ANYWAY???

thick and thin,good times and bad,win or lose
(ps,what did you do after wigan done us last year martin???turn ur computer off and forget about it??most of us had a 3 hour drive thinkin about it and ill do it again this yearTHATS LOYALTY,THATS SUPPORT)

Another keyboard warrior, abusing all around him and anyone who dares criticise.

And is it just me or is there several new muppets signed up with merson related usernames, stop dragging Merse down with you....

[USMartin]

thank fuck the likes of martin and the rest of u sit on the net watching arsenal games instead of being there.i choose to get behind WHATEVER team is put out by WHATEVER manager because i support ARSENAL.
yeah things aint goin our way right now but getting on everyones back aint gonna help turn it around.
do you think THE BOARD are gonna listen to a couple of bell ends on an internet forum slagging off every little thing, or the general paying faithful who actually turn up to pay their money and actually derseve an opinion.
you sit there across the pond slaggin off this club when you've put fuck all into it(besides your obvious scars )

come back at me with what u like but bottom line is i paid £910 quid to have my opinion,most of you deserve fuck all say cos u sit there watching games on a free stream and hate the shirt,hate the manager,hate the way the club is run.

so remind me,WHY DO U SUPPORT THE ARSENAL ANYWAY???

thick and thin,good times and bad,win or lose
(ps,what did you do after wigan done us last year martin???turn ur computer off and forget about it??most of us had a 3 hour drive thinkin about it and ill do it again this yearTHATS LOYALTY,THATS SUPPORT)

I'm sooooooo impressed - you'll let yourself get ripped off over and over with no complaint because you're loyal. It costs me as much - or more - to attend one match as your season ticket btw. I spent about 1220 pounds last time for one match, about 1300 for one match before that, and have spent as many as 3000 pounds in one year to see five matches plus another 1000 just to watch the Champions League Final in a pub in Paris the same year. I've spent about 12000 pounds since 2003 seeing Arsenal In England and on the continent

So save you're "I spend more money on Arsenal I'm a better Gooner and my views matter more" for when its true or when it matters - which it only does to people like yourself who don't care enough to stand up for their club but to politely sit down for it. I'll stop - I don't want to assume to much about you as you're all too happy to do about me and anyone else who disagrees with you.

And if you think this is all about getting behind the team no matter what then you don't have the right to criticze any aspect of Arsenal inclluding the players or the manager or you're just a hypocrite. deeply. Really how to ciriticze one player or their performance if you don't care whether they would be at Arsenal or not if not for the Board's actions resulting in limiting what we invest in the team? You don't deserve to be able to question the quality of the team really because you don't want to qyustion why that's the team to begin with. Like I said earlier you're a bloke who won't vote then will be the first to complain about what a lousy job the government does and how bad the PM representing your community is.
But you'll expect people to care what you think I bet.

Really don't complain about the players this year - or the manager - or the Board - even. If you want to blame someone for Arsenal winning nothing - look in the mirror. You would rather prove how much more loyal you are by cheering Arsenal no matter what? Fine. You go ahead. Problem is we'll all be cheering Arsenal every bit as loudly. - myself included. You can pretend otherwise but you'll be disappointed.

But what's worse is we won't have to wonder if we cared enough to fight to do more for Arsenal whatever the outcome. You will have to wonder about that as it stands.

[merse_10]

thank fuck the likes of martin and the rest of u sit on the net watching arsenal games instead of being there.i choose to get behind WHATEVER team is put out by WHATEVER manager because i support ARSENAL.
yeah things aint goin our way right now but getting on everyones back aint gonna help turn it around.
do you think THE BOARD are gonna listen to a couple of bell ends on an internet forum slagging off every little thing, or the general paying faithful who actually turn up to pay their money and actually derseve an opinion.
you sit there across the pond slaggin off this club when you've put fuck all into it(besides your obvious scars )

come back at me with what u like but bottom line is i paid £910 quid to have my opinion,most of you deserve fuck all say cos u sit there watching games on a free stream and hate the shirt,hate the manager,hate the way the club is run.

so remind me,WHY DO U SUPPORT THE ARSENAL ANYWAY???

thick and thin,good times and bad,win or lose
(ps,what did you do after wigan done us last year martin???turn ur computer off and forget about it??most of us had a 3 hour drive thinkin about it and ill do it again this yearTHATS LOYALTY,THATS SUPPORT)

I'm sooooooo impressed - you'll let yourself get ripped off over and over with no complaint because you're loyal. It costs me as much - or more - to attend one match as your season ticket btw. I spent about 1220 pounds last time for one match, about 1300 for one match before that, and have spent as many as 3000 pounds in one year to see five matches plus another 1000 just to watch the Champions League Final in a pub in Paris the same year. I've spent about 12000 pounds since 2003 seeing Arsenal In England and on the continent

So save you're "I spend more money on Arsenal I'm a better Gooner and my views matter more" for when its true or when it matters - which it only does to people like yourself who don't care enough to stand up for their club but to politely sit down for it. I'll stop - I don't want to assume to much about you as you're all too happy to do about me and anyone else who disagrees with you.

And if you think this is all about getting behind the team no matter what then you don't have the right to criticze any aspect of Arsenal inclluding the players or the manager or you're just a hypocrite. deeply. Really how to ciriticze one player or their performance if you don't care whether they would be at Arsenal or not if not for the Board's actions resulting in limiting what we invest in the team? You don't deserve to be able to question the quality of the team really because you don't want to qyustion why that's the team to begin with. Like I said earlier you're a bloke who won't vote then will be the first to complain about what a lousy job the government does and how bad the PM representing your community is.
But you'll expect people to care what you think I bet.

Really don't complain about the players this year - or the manager - or the Board - even. If you want to blame someone for Arsenal winning nothing - look in the mirror. You would rather prove how much more loyal you are by cheering Arsenal no matter what? Fine. You go ahead. Problem is we'll all be cheering Arsenal every bit as loudly. - myself included. You can pretend otherwise but you'll be disappointed.

But what's worse is we won't have to wonder if we cared enough to fight to do more for Arsenal whatever the outcome. You will have to wonder about that as it stands.

sorry,cant be bothered to read any of this^^^^^^^^^^^

im sure ive read it all before on any other topic u've posted on.

[USMartin]

And actually I was going by train to New York to watch the Wigan match getting up after about 3 hours sleep to catch the early train. Though I was up a business matter meant I needed to stay home and watch so I could attend to that matter that afternoon. So I ended up getting up at 4 AM and staying up all morning till kickoff so I was already in a lousy mood. Obviously the result didn't help one bit, and the fact that the cutomer who I had to deal with that day was a manc who asked what I thought of the match really didn't help - it took all my strengthto fight the urge to throttle him right there.


That was wrong period - my reaction I mean. I was just that frustrated and angry because it was clear this was coming and noone inside the Club seemed to care. I actually was naive enough to think we really could win it with the team we had at that point - the Premiership I mean....and it just hurt so frickin much now to feel so empty and so stupid for it. And a few million a year more and it could be so different.

Its not like say the late 70s or the early 80s or even after 1991 now. We could do so much more with only a bit more ambition and investment. But so some rich people can get even richer we should be happy just to accept falling short when we could do more?

Sorry but that is wrong no matter how you try to make it into disloyalty.

[USMartin]

I'm not sure you entirely wrong. But again I'm not sure you're right either, and we can't afford to assume you - or in fairness many other Gooners - are in fact right. If I'm wrong and you are right though at least we can say we tried. I think that will serve us all MUCH better - no matter what happens - if someday the question is asked "did you do all you could for the club?" then having to wonder if we did in fact - or worse having to acknowledge we failed to or chose not to.

Then do it, Martin!

You keep saying we should be doing something, but I'm not sure you've actually done anything yourself, have you?

You seem to have a lot to say (which is great) but unless you actually make things happen, then it's just empty words. You know as well as I do that if repeatedly voicing your concerns about the board on this forum is the best you can do, then you'll get nowhere!

What I'm saying, is that if you're SERIOUS, you have to practice what you preach. Do you have a website yet? do the supporters clubs know about you and your plans? do the board know of you? do the press?? - hell, does anyone outside Arsenal forums such as this one, and the others you've been banned from?

As a wise man once said.... "Build it and they will come" - or at the very least, they'll have a bandwagon to join, whereas at the moment the best people can do is either agree or disagree with you! so if you have bigger ambitions than that... do something about it NOW!

I am re-writing the petition one more time then posting it at GoPetition.com in the next few days. I will post an updated version here ahead of them for editorial input on Monday or tuesday.

[ambarron]

thank fuck the likes of martin and the rest of u sit on the net watching arsenal games instead of being there.i choose to get behind WHATEVER team is put out by WHATEVER manager because i support ARSENAL.
yeah things aint goin our way right now but getting on everyones back aint gonna help turn it around.
do you think THE BOARD are gonna listen to a couple of bell ends on an internet forum slagging off every little thing, or the general paying faithful who actually turn up to pay their money and actually derseve an opinion.
you sit there across the pond slaggin off this club when you've put fuck all into it(besides your obvious scars )

come back at me with what u like but bottom line is i paid £910 quid to have my opinion,most of you deserve fuck all say cos u sit there watching games on a free stream and hate the shirt,hate the manager,hate the way the club is run.

so remind me,WHY DO U SUPPORT THE ARSENAL ANYWAY???

thick and thin,good times and bad,win or lose
(ps,what did you do after wigan done us last year martin???turn ur computer off and forget about it??most of us had a 3 hour drive thinkin about it and ill do it again this yearTHATS LOYALTY,THATS SUPPORT)

I'm sooooooo impressed - you'll let yourself get ripped off over and over with no complaint because you're loyal. It costs me as much - or more - to attend one match as your season ticket btw. I spent about 1220 pounds last time for one match, about 1300 for one match before that, and have spent as many as 3000 pounds in one year to see five matches plus another 1000 just to watch the Champions League Final in a pub in Paris the same year. I've spent about 12000 pounds since 2003 seeing Arsenal In England and on the continent

So save you're "I spend more money on Arsenal I'm a better Gooner and my views matter more" for when its true or when it matters - which it only does to people like yourself who don't care enough to stand up for their club but to politely sit down for it. I'll stop - I don't want to assume to much about you as you're all too happy to do about me and anyone else who disagrees with you.

And if you think this is all about getting behind the team no matter what then you don't have the right to criticze any aspect of Arsenal inclluding the players or the manager or you're just a hypocrite. deeply. Really how to ciriticze one player or their performance if you don't care whether they would be at Arsenal or not if not for the Board's actions resulting in limiting what we invest in the team? You don't deserve to be able to question the quality of the team really because you don't want to qyustion why that's the team to begin with. Like I said earlier you're a bloke who won't vote then will be the first to complain about what a lousy job the government does and how bad the PM representing your community is.
But you'll expect people to care what you think I bet.

Really don't complain about the players this year - or the manager - or the Board - even. If you want to blame someone for Arsenal winning nothing - look in the mirror. You would rather prove how much more loyal you are by cheering Arsenal no matter what? Fine. You go ahead. Problem is we'll all be cheering Arsenal every bit as loudly. - myself included. You can pretend otherwise but you'll be disappointed.

But what's worse is we won't have to wonder if we cared enough to fight to do more for Arsenal whatever the outcome. You will have to wonder about that as it stands.

sorry,cant be bothered to read any of this^^^^^^^^^^^

im sure ive read it all before on any other topic u've posted on.

i refer to my earlier comment - i dont think u should use a message board mate, its for debate, if you cant be bothered reading it just sign off!!!