The thing with the Arsenal board is that they just want to maximise their profits. That is THE number one objective. They have been successful doing that by just doing enough to scrape by getting a Champions League spot. They dont really have to spend much more, so long as we are just about better than the chasing pack - the likes of Spurs, Villa, ManCity, and Liverpool. ManCity will break through into the top 4, and the board will be happy just to finish above the rest.
That in itself might be forgivable, the the most worrying thing is that Arsene is in with this board. And this is the saddest thing - that the manager is more motivated by saving rather than winning. I would not be surprised that Arsene`s pay stucture is geared towards club profits than actually winning trophies, and I think that is plain completely unethical.
Do you believe Arsene when he says at the start of the season that Arsenal are good enough to challenge? Cmon.... he KNOWS what a winning team looks like (heck he has assembled a few) but I believe he is telling a plain and simple lie. I dont buy this `he is just stubborn` excuse that some make for him. He KNOWS that we are not good enough to challenge - and he is playing the game by pulling the wool over the supporters eyes and fulfilling the boards needs to run things as cheaply as possible by just ensuring CL qualification.
Something has changed since Dein was forced out. And we are worse off.
ALL YOU DO IS FCUKING MOAN
biglunn wrote:The thing with the Arsenal board is that they just want to maximise their profits. That is THE number one objective. They have been successful doing that by just doing enough to scrape by getting a Champions League spot. They dont really have to spend much more, so long as we are just about better than the chasing pack - the likes of Spurs, Villa, ManCity, and Liverpool. ManCity will break through into the top 4, and the board will be happy just to finish above the rest.
That in itself might be forgivable, the the most worrying thing is that Arsene is in with this board. And this is the saddest thing - that the manager is more motivated by saving rather than winning. I would not be surprised that Arsene`s pay stucture is geared towards club profits than actually winning trophies, and I think that is plain completely unethical.
Do you believe Arsene when he says at the start of the season that Arsenal are good enough to challenge? Cmon.... he KNOWS what a winning team looks like (heck he has assembled a few) but I believe he is telling a plain and simple lie. I dont buy this `he is just stubborn` excuse that some make for him. He KNOWS that we are not good enough to challenge - and he is playing the game by pulling the wool over the supporters eyes and fulfilling the boards needs to run things as cheaply as possible by just ensuring CL qualification.
Something has changed since Dein was forced out. And we are worse off.
That is bollocks, they dont pay dividends so why would they want that ? Maybe its the fact that we are massively in debt and cant really go out and spend 60 mil every season to compete with transfers with city. we need to balance the books. Unless we sell out to a super rich sugar daddy.
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olgitgooner wrote:The bit I've highlighted is total and utter bollocks.Louder wrote:hatchy wrote: I see that the forum has now just become a place for most arsenal fans to just moan about arsenal not winning things and arsenal not buying anyone why dont you all just go and follow manshity and leave the club to fans that dont just moan for the sake of it , yes i know that arsenal havn`t won anything in 5 years but thats nothing and to say things like sack the manager when he is the best we ever had is madness and the time to panic is when he isn`t here anymore trust me
Go on my son, well said Hatch'. It breaks my heart to hear Arsenal slagged of by 'fans'. This place is obviously a haunt for anti-gooners. But stay and fight the good fight, and when the club flourishes after a few years of hard work and sarcrifice you'll be safe in the knowledge that you never turned your back on Arsenal.
Keep contributing Hatch'
Apart from the odd troll, we are all Gooners. Which you would know if you visited regularly.
No it's not. Choose any thread you like, have a browse, and you'll see what I mean.
And I do visit regularly !
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This place is heavily negative, however it is their opinion.Louder wrote:olgitgooner wrote:The bit I've highlighted is total and utter bollocks.Louder wrote:hatchy wrote: I see that the forum has now just become a place for most arsenal fans to just moan about arsenal not winning things and arsenal not buying anyone why dont you all just go and follow manshity and leave the club to fans that dont just moan for the sake of it , yes i know that arsenal havn`t won anything in 5 years but thats nothing and to say things like sack the manager when he is the best we ever had is madness and the time to panic is when he isn`t here anymore trust me
Go on my son, well said Hatch'. It breaks my heart to hear Arsenal slagged of by 'fans'. This place is obviously a haunt for anti-gooners. But stay and fight the good fight, and when the club flourishes after a few years of hard work and sarcrifice you'll be safe in the knowledge that you never turned your back on Arsenal.
Keep contributing Hatch'
Apart from the odd troll, we are all Gooners. Which you would know if you visited regularly.
No it's not. Choose any thread you like, have a browse, and you'll see what I mean.
And I do visit regularly !
The humour seems to have gone, and replaced by pessimistic voices. I seem to post less and less as my views differ to most on here. If you read places like AWIMB they are much more ballanced to positive and negative arsenal fans.
Re: ALL YOU DO IS FCUKING MOAN
The only thing 'simple' is you young man.REBEL GOONER wrote:quiet the opposite, it is a place where arsenal fans arent afraid to have an opinion other then redactions one arsene wenger ...Louder wrote::awnker:hatchy wrote: I see that the forum has now just become a place for most arsenal fans to just moan about arsenal not winning things and arsenal not buying anyone why dont you all just go and follow manshity and leave the club to fans that dont just moan for the sake of it , yes i know that arsenal havn`t won anything in 5 years but thats nothing and to say things like sack the manager when he is the best we ever had is madness and the time to panic is when he isn`t here anymore trust me
This place is obviously a haunt for anti-gooners. But
and if people dont like it then dont post, quiet simple really
If I don't like something, in this case anti-gooners, I will make it known. And as this is a Forum, I'm pretty sure the only way to do this is to eeerm POST !.
''moron'' - (mumbled under breath)
The club has changed from a club and a manager that wants to win titles to a club whose main aim is a 4th place finish.Just note Wenger's comment that finishing 3rd or 4th is as good as winning a trophy.
Wenger can go another 5 years winning fuck all but finishing 4th and his job will be safe.The lack of ambition from the board and the manager is frightening.Yet the club continue to take its loyal support for a ride
Wenger can go another 5 years winning fuck all but finishing 4th and his job will be safe.The lack of ambition from the board and the manager is frightening.Yet the club continue to take its loyal support for a ride
Most of the loyal support (away fans) i never hear moaning, constant moaning like i do on here on the terraces.donaldo wrote:The club has changed from a club and a manager that wants to win titles to a club whose main aim is a 4th place finish.Just note Wenger's comment that finishing 3rd or 4th is as good as winning a trophy.
Wenger can go another 5 years winning fuck all but finishing 4th and his job will be safe.The lack of ambition from the board and the manager is frightening.Yet the club continue to take its loyal support for a ride
moron , good one
yes this place might seem a bit negative but it also has plenty of positive posters,
plus ther is good debate here , except when people come on just to slag off the regular posters and wont listen to anyother viewpoint except there own. my own view is
people have the right to moan when they see the same mistakes been made by the club the last few summers, everyone knows where we are weak and the management dont seem to be doing anything to address this, it is a forum and forums are open to everyone but i will stick by my statement and that is if people dont like the place then the option is there not to post and not make shitty and sarcastic remarks about the regulars on here.
yes this place might seem a bit negative but it also has plenty of positive posters,
plus ther is good debate here , except when people come on just to slag off the regular posters and wont listen to anyother viewpoint except there own. my own view is
people have the right to moan when they see the same mistakes been made by the club the last few summers, everyone knows where we are weak and the management dont seem to be doing anything to address this, it is a forum and forums are open to everyone but i will stick by my statement and that is if people dont like the place then the option is there not to post and not make shitty and sarcastic remarks about the regulars on here.
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I didn't want to post in here due to the negativity but just wanted to say that I read that the same way....at first.PI7ES wrote:biglunn wrote:The thing with the Arsenal board is that they just want to maximise their profits. That is THE number one objective. They have been successful doing that by just doing enough to scrape by getting a Champions League spot. They dont really have to spend much more, so long as we are just about better than the chasing pack - the likes of Spurs, Villa, ManCity, and Liverpool. ManCity will break through into the top 4, and the board will be happy just to finish above the rest.
That in itself might be forgivable, the the most worrying thing is that Arsene is in with this board. And this is the saddest thing - that the manager is more motivated by saving rather than winning. I would not be surprised that Arsene`s pay stucture is geared towards club profits than actually winning trophies, and I think that is plain completely unethical.
Do you believe Arsene when he says at the start of the season that Arsenal are good enough to challenge? Cmon.... he KNOWS what a winning team looks like (heck he has assembled a few) but I believe he is telling a plain and simple lie. I dont buy this `he is just stubborn` excuse that some make for him. He KNOWS that we are not good enough to challenge - and he is playing the game by pulling the wool over the supporters eyes and fulfilling the boards needs to run things as cheaply as possible by just ensuring CL qualification.
Something has changed since Dein was forced out. And we are worse off.
That is bollocks, they dont pay dividends so why would they want that ? Maybe its the fact that we are massively in debt and cant really go out and spend 60 mil every season to compete with transfers with city. we need to balance the books. Unless we sell out to a super rich sugar daddy.
But what Biglunn means is that the board are using there's powers to maximise there position and power to gain as much money for the club. Not for self gain.
Is it Bollocks though? After all Dan Fiszman has made at least 30 million in profits already and could make another 50-60 million yet, and Lady Nina is Looking a up to and eve 100 million in PROFITS. How muich of that will go back into Arsenal do you suppose? Even as a parting gift and display of appreciation for the wealth the club has afforded them?.PI7ES wrote:That is bollocks, they dont pay dividends so why would they want that ? Maybe its the fact that we are massively in debt and cant really go out and spend 60 mil every season to compete with transfers with city. we need to balance the books. Unless we sell out to a super rich sugar daddy.
And let's remeber Dan Fiszman never paid more than 2000 GBP a share and Lady Nina Like the Carr family generation that sold to Stan Kroenke and Peter Hill_wood NEVER PAID A PENNY for their shares themselves.
And not one of them actually - as Peter Hill-Wood has BRAGGED - ever paid a penny into the club other than when buying shares though as we are seeing they are profiting quite handsomely from the club. Even David Conn actually has reported on this fact in one fo the few instances where the English media hasn't waited for the club to tell them what theywwanted to tell them before reporting on it.
And these are the "Custodians of the Club". One can only imagine what happens if and when they sell to people with even less Arsenal Blood in them> I shudder thinking about it. Frankly I wish they were taking dividends now instead of looking to sell out for the really big money.
But can you really say that biglunn is talking bollocks here knowing all that above?
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You can fuck off to .com with him aswell.Louder wrote:hatchy wrote: I see that the forum has now just become a place for most arsenal fans to just moan about arsenal not winning things and arsenal not buying anyone why dont you all just go and follow manshity and leave the club to fans that dont just moan for the sake of it , yes i know that arsenal havn`t won anything in 5 years but thats nothing and to say things like sack the manager when he is the best we ever had is madness and the time to panic is when he isn`t here anymore trust me
Go on my son, well said Hatch'. It breaks my heart to hear Arsenal slagged of by 'fans'. This place is obviously a haunt for anti-gooners. But stay and fight the good fight, and when the club flourishes after a few years of hard work and sarcrifice you'll be safe in the knowledge that you never turned your back on Arsenal.
Keep contributing Hatch'
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Re: ALL YOU DO IS FCUKING MOAN
The members button isn't working. So I can't have a look at your previous twelve posts.Louder wrote:olgitgooner wrote:The bit I've highlighted is total and utter bollocks.Louder wrote:hatchy wrote: I see that the forum has now just become a place for most arsenal fans to just moan about arsenal not winning things and arsenal not buying anyone why dont you all just go and follow manshity and leave the club to fans that dont just moan for the sake of it , yes i know that arsenal havn`t won anything in 5 years but thats nothing and to say things like sack the manager when he is the best we ever had is madness and the time to panic is when he isn`t here anymore trust me
Go on my son, well said Hatch'. It breaks my heart to hear Arsenal slagged of by 'fans'. This place is obviously a haunt for anti-gooners. But stay and fight the good fight, and when the club flourishes after a few years of hard work and sarcrifice you'll be safe in the knowledge that you never turned your back on Arsenal.
Keep contributing Hatch'
Apart from the odd troll, we are all Gooners. Which you would know if you visited regularly.
No it's not. Choose any thread you like, have a browse, and you'll see what I mean.
And I do visit regularly !
You only joined here in January. So maybe you haven't been around long enough to know the personalities on here?
If you genuinely believe there are a load of "antiGooners" on here, then you need a ckeck-up from the neck up.
Personally, I'm pro-Wenger and pro-board. There are others here who are anti both, but are passionate Arsenal supporters. Who are you to accuse them of being anything other than true Gooners?
Re: ALL YOU DO IS FCUKING MOAN
PI7ES wrote:This place is heavily negative, however it is their opinion.Louder wrote:olgitgooner wrote:The bit I've highlighted is total and utter bollocks.Louder wrote:hatchy wrote: I see that the forum has now just become a place for most arsenal fans to just moan about arsenal not winning things and arsenal not buying anyone why dont you all just go and follow manshity and leave the club to fans that dont just moan for the sake of it , yes i know that arsenal havn`t won anything in 5 years but thats nothing and to say things like sack the manager when he is the best we ever had is madness and the time to panic is when he isn`t here anymore trust me
Go on my son, well said Hatch'. It breaks my heart to hear Arsenal slagged of by 'fans'. This place is obviously a haunt for anti-gooners. But stay and fight the good fight, and when the club flourishes after a few years of hard work and sarcrifice you'll be safe in the knowledge that you never turned your back on Arsenal.
Keep contributing Hatch'
Apart from the odd troll, we are all Gooners. Which you would know if you visited regularly.
No it's not. Choose any thread you like, have a browse, and you'll see what I mean.
And I do visit regularly !
The humour seems to have gone, and replaced by pessimistic voices. I seem to post less and less as my views differ to most on here. If you read places like AWIMB they are much more ballanced to positive and negative arsenal fans.
Now i know you're talking bollocks. The away fans get behind the team but even they arent happy with whats going on - i should know.PI7ES wrote:Most of the loyal support (away fans) i never hear moaning, constant moaning like i do on here on the terraces.donaldo wrote:The club has changed from a club and a manager that wants to win titles to a club whose main aim is a 4th place finish.Just note Wenger's comment that finishing 3rd or 4th is as good as winning a trophy.
Wenger can go another 5 years winning fuck all but finishing 4th and his job will be safe.The lack of ambition from the board and the manager is frightening.Yet the club continue to take its loyal support for a ride
