Wenger signing new deal soon

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Bendtners Drinking Buddy wrote:
selsdon wrote:Amazed you found time to post BDB what with all the wanking you must have done since this news broke.
Halarious!

Im balanced, I can see Wengers faults I just dont forget that he deserves respect and that he has the clubs best interests at heart - even if he is making what are to the masses obvious mistakes, and certainly dont think he deserves the abuse he gets along the lines of "c**t" which ive seen on here. Some people overreact to such a degree it is actually quite sad.

Id kill for a CB and GK like the rest of us, and am amazed they havt been bought in....and i dont blame anyone for asking why - but i dont resort to stupid comments about a man who has done a lot of this club over an internet forum - if you met Wenger would you call him a c**t to his face? Nah, you wouldnt, because you know what he has done for our club.


Well done on that post though, A post without slagging off anything about Arsenal as well, congratulations!


Wenger is a *word censored*! And yeh if we dont sign anyone else and we end up 5th or worst then i would call him it to his face.

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donaldo wrote:If Wenger is a man of principle he should refuse to sign the contract until May.If we have failed again to win anything he should walk away.By giving him a contract now after 5 trophyless seasons the board are saying to him carry on with your failed project we dont care if you dont deliver.In my opinion he has taken the club as far as he can and should have gone two years ago.Lets see if Wenger is a man of princple.
Why would he do that? All that would serve is to create a massive amount of speculation in the media and distrupt the team. He wants to win the league whilst keeping the club in good finances and, as long as the board are happy that he is the man to do that, he will stay.

I tell you now, I'd rather be in our situation that a club like Utd or 'Pool who, without a feck load of help, will crumble under the weight of their debts. I dont like the fact that we arent winning, and it seems obvious how to solve it. But this is our situation and its favourable to many others.

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TeeCee wrote:Very bad news for us in all honesty. 4or 5 more years of being average, having potential and mental strength whilst ignoring the obvious deficiencies in the squad. Oh well, the shit will hit the fan when we finish outside the top 4 this season. :roll:
Which can only be what the Board wants then.

You are naive frankly if you think otherwise, and the reality is they will continue to under-invest and hide behind the manaager so long as we let them get away with it and its the supporters who delude themselves into thinking that if we had any other manager our Board would just happily be spending another 10-20 million a year even now who make it easy for them to get away with deceiving all of us and failing the club.

If I didn't know better the moment we got a new manager instead of saying the Board better make that money available you and others would say the Board needs time to let the new man find his way before splashing the case..

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nino_rojo wrote:
donaldo wrote:If Wenger is a man of principle he should refuse to sign the contract until May.If we have failed again to win anything he should walk away.By giving him a contract now after 5 trophyless seasons the board are saying to him carry on with your failed project we dont care if you dont deliver.In my opinion he has taken the club as far as he can and should have gone two years ago.Lets see if Wenger is a man of princple.
Why would he do that? All that would serve is to create a massive amount of speculation in the media and distrupt the team. He wants to win the league whilst keeping the club in good finances and, as long as the board are happy that he is the man to do that, he will stay.

I tell you now, I'd rather be in our situation that a club like Utd or 'Pool who, without a feck load of help, will crumble under the weight of their debts. I dont like the fact that we arent winning, and it seems obvious how to solve it. But this is our situation and its favourable to many others.
Ridiculous - United is too rich to collapse as you hope and even Liverpool whose situation is moreserious will not be allowed to collapse the same way Leeds was or Pompey was because Liverpool is a World Wide brand. If someone doesn't come in to buy them and bail them I can the Premier League and the FA behind the scenes ensuring they stay afloat.

Hoping these clubs will just shrink and vanish to our benefit isn't just unrealistic but frankly unseemly. We didn't need that to happen from 1998-2005 did we? And again we spent annually about what we bought Aaron Ramsey for.

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Rob wrote:Good news for Hill-Wood and Fiszman.

They carry on. Wenger stays and takes the flack they might otherwise get and we continue to regress as a Club.


Truly astonishing that anyone would actually celebrate that. :roll:
Spot-on.

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donaldo wrote:If Wenger is a man of principle he should refuse to sign the contract until May.If we have failed again to win anything he should walk away...
I'm not sure that's fair - nor do I think Wenger would be going against his principles by signing a new contract now! - you'll have to explain the logic there, donaldo :?

To win the league, you basically have to be better, over 38 games, than Man Utd, Chelsea, Citeh and Liverpool - and to win the CL, you're competing with Barcelona, Inter Milan, Real Madrid, Man Utd and Chelsea.

I'm sure we can all agree that that is bloody stiff competition, expecially as our transfer budget wouldn't even register on the grid compared to the incredible sums of money spent by the clubs listed above.

We have to be realistic here, and rather than say 'win a trophy or leave', I think what fans REALLY want to see it progress! We want to be proud of the team, and that's NOT always translated into silverware.

I want to see us compete at the highest level, at the business end of the season, and as long as we're GENUINELY in the mix, then I'd consider that progress compared to the rather underwhelming couple of years we've endured since our last decent season of 2007/08, when it genuinely looked like progress was being made.... which, sadly, was short lived as Diarra, Flamini, Hleb and Gilberto left the club, and Rosicky got injured for a year, and we had to rebuild :(

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USMartin wrote:
nino_rojo wrote:
donaldo wrote:If Wenger is a man of principle he should refuse to sign the contract until May.If we have failed again to win anything he should walk away.By giving him a contract now after 5 trophyless seasons the board are saying to him carry on with your failed project we dont care if you dont deliver.In my opinion he has taken the club as far as he can and should have gone two years ago.Lets see if Wenger is a man of princple.
Why would he do that? All that would serve is to create a massive amount of speculation in the media and distrupt the team. He wants to win the league whilst keeping the club in good finances and, as long as the board are happy that he is the man to do that, he will stay.

I tell you now, I'd rather be in our situation that a club like Utd or 'Pool who, without a feck load of help, will crumble under the weight of their debts. I dont like the fact that we arent winning, and it seems obvious how to solve it. But this is our situation and its favourable to many others.
Ridiculous - United is too rich to collapse as you hope and even Liverpool whose situation is moreserious will not be allowed to collapse the same way Leeds was or Pompey was because Liverpool is a World Wide brand. If someone doesn't come in to buy them and bail them I can the Premier League and the FA behind the scenes ensuring they stay afloat.

Hoping these clubs will just shrink and vanish to our benefit isn't just unrealistic but frankly unseemly. We didn't need that to happen from 1998-2005 did we? And again we spent annually about what we bought Aaron Ramsey for.
Where did I say that I hope it will happen? And how can they be rich when they are in a massive amount of debt? Ok someone might come and buy them, but until they do the debt will keep on rising and make them more and more undesireable because any new owner would have to pay off that debt before pouring any money into the club.

Even if they do get bought and paid off, I like to think we are better than the likes of Cehlski and Shiteh, who we all bitch about on here as being no more than money grabbers owned by corrupt oligarchs and the likes... The possibility of the Chinese government or a Middle Eastern oil tycoon buying an English club really disturbs and sickens me..

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I have visions of us being top dogs in some financial post-apocalyptic future where the league consists of Arsene FC, Darlington and AFC Wimbledon.

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selsdon wrote:I have visions of us being top dogs in some financial post-apocalyptic future where the league consists of Arsene FC, Darlington and AFC Wimbledon.
After "the event" :lol:

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Whether Wenger deserves a new contract or not, I'd like to think that someone inside this club of ours is actually putting the man under pressure and telling him that this current state of affairs is unacceptable. Not winning a trophy every season is understandable but there just don't seem to be the correct decisions made to recify our shortcomings. Burying heads in the sand and praying that other clubs hit financial problems is not going to work, the board seem to think that if we hang around for a few more seasons doing nothing more than saving money, we're going to be the superpower. We've been fed this nonsense since the North Bank was redeveloped back in the early 90s and it hasn't come off. Why should it be the case now?
There is a serious lack of understanding at the club about the realities of life in The Premiership in 2010. As it stands, for the last five years, the man in charge of the team has overseen a fall in standards and a massive drop in performances when compared to the competition. If this was a company, would the boss be rewarded with a new deal before he could prove that things were improving? Whilst I'm not advocating a Real Madrid situation where it's trophies or out, somebody needs to tell Wenger that things need to improve soon and we have to see that the gap is closing between us, Man Utd and Chavsea. I really don't even think that a League Cup or FA Cup win will do this as too much emphasis has been placed on winning a trophy. The whole club needs looking at and questions need to be asked about the ambition and true motives of those holding positions of power at AFC.

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'I believe in the previous 16 fixtures against Darlington this season that we were not focused enough and that you will see a more mentally prepared, mature response next time. As for the first of our 32 Primark Challenge Cup legs against Wimbledon next week the news is positive in that Almunia is back in light training'

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Who will put him under pressure? No one will

He makes profit every year and the price ofthe shares go up every year. Its win win for Wenger. This will carry on for every year he is there, we will never win anything again with him as manager.

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USMartin wrote:
nino_rojo wrote:
donaldo wrote:If Wenger is a man of principle he should refuse to sign the contract until May.If we have failed again to win anything he should walk away.By giving him a contract now after 5 trophyless seasons the board are saying to him carry on with your failed project we dont care if you dont deliver.In my opinion he has taken the club as far as he can and should have gone two years ago.Lets see if Wenger is a man of princple.
Why would he do that? All that would serve is to create a massive amount of speculation in the media and distrupt the team. He wants to win the league whilst keeping the club in good finances and, as long as the board are happy that he is the man to do that, he will stay.

I tell you now, I'd rather be in our situation that a club like Utd or 'Pool who, without a feck load of help, will crumble under the weight of their debts. I dont like the fact that we arent winning, and it seems obvious how to solve it. But this is our situation and its favourable to many others.
Ridiculous - United is too rich to collapse as you hope and even Liverpool whose situation is moreserious will not be allowed to collapse the same way Leeds was or Pompey was because Liverpool is a World Wide brand. If someone doesn't come in to buy them and bail them I can the Premier League and the FA behind the scenes ensuring they stay afloat.

Hoping these clubs will just shrink and vanish to our benefit isn't just unrealistic but frankly unseemly. We didn't need that to happen from 1998-2005 did we? And again we spent annually about what we bought Aaron Ramsey for.
Agree with nino rojo, USMartin you talk fucking bollocks, we're in a much better financial position than Liverpool or Man U, we have a 60,000 stadium generating shit loads of money, Liverpool don't even have a new stadium, are millions in debt and no CL footy. Fergie hasn't made any big moves because he can't, he's now making Wenger-like signings because the Glazers' debt is stopping their ability to spend. Give me our squad (plus a goalie and a centre half), top young players coming through like Gibbs, Wilshere and Frimpong, Theo will come good this season, and Nasri will show what a top player he is. I don't give a fuck if I'm a rosetinter, but I'm not an obsessive moaner, I have faith in this club, this team, this manager, this BOARD as well :D :D :D

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g88ner wrote:
We have to be realistic here, and rather than say 'win a trophy or leave', I think what fans REALLY want to see it progress! We want to be proud of the team, and that's NOT always translated into silverware.

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I agree.But we are not progressing.The last two seasons we finish 18 and 11pts behind the champions.We got battered home and away by both Man Utd and Barcelona in the CL.We get battered on our own pitch by Man Utd and Chelsea in the league two seasons in a row.Wenger doesnt give two fucks about the domestic cups while Chelsea and Man Utd regularly win them.Finishing top 4 is that success?Wenger thinks so, is that progress?

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He was also making Wenger-like signings back in 2003-2004 or so (Kleberson, Djemba-Djemba, Bellion etc)

Hopefully your faith will be proven correct . But the odds on that are uncertaiin to say the least.

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