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DanielD wrote:We bought 2 CB's, and a striker we badly needed. All of them were at the right price and at the right stage of the career. I think we are only second to City in terms of strengthening.
Schwarzer is 37, he's not the best in the league, not at the right price, so if Wenger finds this deal as a bad one, why should he make it.
I agree Almunia is not good enough, but if Wenger thinks signing Schwarzer isn't going to get this club forward, and can't find another keeper with attributes sufficient to Arsenal (Prem experince, price, age), than I can understand why we didn't sign one.
If Wenger does not think Schwarzer is good enough then why the fuck have the club made two bids for him?
Sorry but your post doesn't make sense!
Apparently, it's the voice of reason according to AFC Wozza. He obcviously didnt read that bit...
Read what he wrote.. If Wenger thought that £2m was the right price for Schwarzer, then why would he go any higher? If there is not a keeper who is AVAILABLE, how can he sign one?
Look at what danield wrote about Wenger thinking that Schwarzer won't bring us forward - and tell me what that's got to do with price. That is a statement about a manager's opinion of a player.
Arsene wouldn't buy Schwarzer for more than 2 mil, which he thinks is a valid price for him. Like Barcelona wouldn't pay 60 million for Cesc.
Bullshit, that's got nothing to with it - you remember this:
but if Wenger thinks signing Schwarzer isn't going to get this club forward,
If Wenger doesn't think Schwarzer is going to get this club forward, why did he twice bid for him?
From what I understand, Wenger had put the same bid on both occasions.
Either way, he may find him better than Almunia, but not worth the fee + wages he'll cost.
That doesn't answer the question, and is not what you wrote. Don't worry, if you can't answer it - it doesn't make sense. Wenger did put the same bid in - so what, not the point, Wages - not the point. Nothing in that is to do with what you said, is it?
And we didnt even get agreement re the fee so how can he assess wages. Stop trying to cover your first statement.
DanielD wrote:We bought 2 CB's, and a striker we badly needed. All of them were at the right price and at the right stage of the career. I think we are only second to City in terms of strengthening.
Schwarzer is 37, he's not the best in the league, not at the right price, so if Wenger finds this deal as a bad one, why should he make it.
I agree Almunia is not good enough, but if Wenger thinks signing Schwarzer isn't going to get this club forward, and can't find another keeper with attributes sufficient to Arsenal (Prem experince, price, age), than I can understand why we didn't sign one.
We were short in defence last season, numerically we've replaced Gallas and Campbell with Kos and Squilacci. Numbers aside, seen nothing yet from Kos to suggest he's anywhere near Gallas or Campbell and no-one knows what level Squilacci is at. We badly needed Chamakh last Jan when Bendtner was fit. Now Bendtner is out alongside the permanently injured RVP we're STILL short up front.
We have far from strenghtened.
Campbell couldn't play 2 games a week, not to mention he wouldn't survive an entire season.
Gallas was a problematic personality, injury prone and wasn't getting younger (not to mention his big wages).
We needed Cham back in January, but we needed him today too and back than he would have cost you around 8-12 mil.
As for the CB's, did you know Henry and Vieira will become the players grew to be, when they first arrived? Well, I think if we need to give the new players the same support and hope they turn good.
I think it's fair to say that Wenger valued Schwarzer at a certain price, and minutae of this is then open to question re bids and actual value. What is not is that Wenger had obviously seen enough last season to warrant an attempt at signing a keeper.
Now to make such a piss poor job of it is just shit.
marcengels wrote:I think it's fair to say that Wenger valued Schwarzer at a certain price, and minutae of this is then open to question re bids and actual value. What is not is that Wenger had obviously seen enough last season to warrant an attempt at signing a keeper.
Now to make such a piss poor job of it is just shit.
How many keepers, of better quality that Almunia, can you name, that are available to sign?
marcengels wrote:I think it's fair to say that Wenger valued Schwarzer at a certain price, and minutae of this is then open to question re bids and actual value. What is not is that Wenger had obviously seen enough last season to warrant an attempt at signing a keeper.
Now to make such a piss poor job of it is just shit.
How many keepers, of better quality that Almunia, can you name, that are available to sign?
Not.my.job.
I am not paid to scout around the world for Arsene Wenger. He is paid £6m a year for this kind of thing, plus his scouts. What I do know is that we need a new first choice - because I watch that every week.
And...you're sayng we can't get better than someone of almunia's standing/track record, even though we;re constantly in CL and 5th highest earning club in the world.
Yes, I can see the problem in attracting top quality to a big club, in constant euro football, in one of the best cities in the world.
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DanielD, i get your point. what i don't get is this:
now that we signed a striker and a couple of defenders, it's pretty obvious that almost all of our weaknesses from last season have been addressed. however, the fact that wenger made a bid for schwarzer shows you that he also realises that we must improve our goalkeeping situation.
now, if we are well financially and we spent LESS THAN TEN FUCKING MILLION POUNDS NET IN THIS WINDOW FFS, why doesn't he address the only weakness left in the squad, and one that can cost you so many points during a season?
i don't give a fuck about schwarzer or buffon or whoever. i just wanted a new, improved keeper, and you MUST agree with me that there are at least 20 keepers out there who are better than almunia.
now, will you tell me that a club who's supposedly cash rich, that plays attractive football and champions league every season, isn't able to convince ONE of those clubs and keeper to agree a deal?
it's a massive weakness in our squad, and it will continue to be so for another season.
mattbanger wrote:Another transfer window passes and we are still suck with a bunch of ***** in goal! He is surely accountable for not dealing with this fucking obvious problem! He is such q stubborn old French c**t that he will never sign a recognised world class player again the fucking pussy! I swear almunia and flappy must have some shit on the boss in any other business if your not doing a good job your told to do one! Over to the board then! My arse!
CHILL OUT, GET PISSED, WAKE UP WITH AN AWFUL HANGOVER AND A PICTURE OF MARK SCHWARZER HOLDING THAT GOD AWFUL PINK ARSENAL GK SHIRT!
That doesn't answer the question, and is not what you wrote. Don't worry, if you can't answer it - it doesn't make sense. Wenger did put the same bid in - so what, not the point, Wages - not the point. Nothing in that is to do with what you said, is it?
And we didnt even get agreement re the fee so how can he assess wages. Stop trying to cover your first statement.
This is my FULL post on that matter:
I agree Almunia is not good enough, but if Wenger thinks signing Schwarzer isn't going to get this club forward, and can't find another keeper with attributes sufficient to Arsenal (Prem experince, price, age), than I can understand why we didn't sign one.
You can notice that the two attributes I highlighted were Price and Age.
If for an instance, Wenger thinks bringing Schwarzer for 3 mil, for him to play for only two seasons isn't going to benefit the club in the long term (AKA get this club forward), why should he make that deal?
marcengels wrote:I think it's fair to say that Wenger valued Schwarzer at a certain price, and minutae of this is then open to question re bids and actual value. What is not is that Wenger had obviously seen enough last season to warrant an attempt at signing a keeper.
Now to make such a piss poor job of it is just shit.
How many keepers, of better quality that Almunia, can you name, that are available to sign?
A reasonable point. But we have a team of scouts around the world that keep Wenger informed. He also watches (for example) better PL keepers every week. As for availability? Back in the day that was an excuse. Nowdays anyone can be bought out of a contract if the money and/or desire is there.
Schwarzer is not the best keeper in the PL but I'd take him ahead of our two current muppets anyday. If Wenger had made a serious offer earlier in the summer I believe we could have signed him.
If for an instance, Wenger thinks bringing Schwarzer for 3 mil, for him to play for only two seasons isn't going to benefit the club in the long term (AKA get this club forward), why should he make that deal?
Then why did he twice (3 months apart) bid for him, knowing his age? Doesnt make sense.
brazilianGOONER wrote:DanielD, i get your point. what i don't get is this:
now that we signed a striker and a couple of defenders, it's pretty obvious that almost all of our weaknesses from last season have been addressed. however, the fact that wenger made a bid for schwarzer shows you that he also realises that we must improve our goalkeeping situation.
now, if we are well financially and we spent LESS THAN TEN FUCKING MILLION POUNDS NET IN THIS WINDOW FFS, why doesn't he address the only weakness left in the squad, and one that can cost you so many points during a season?
i don't give a fuck about schwarzer or buffon or whoever. i just wanted a new, improved keeper, and you MUST agree with me that there are at least 20 keepers out there who are better than almunia.
now, will you tell me that a club who's supposedly cash rich, that plays attractive football and champions league every season, isn't able to convince ONE of those clubs and keeper to agree a deal?
it's a massive weakness in our squad, and it will continue to be so for another season.
i'm shocked.
As I said, I agree that Almunia isn't good enough.
My only guess is that there are no available GK's in the market, that fits the club in terms of fee and wages.
