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I feel a post coming on. A long one.

It's fermenting........

Well try and resist the urge to post it then Quartz!!!

I I I I I I AM TRYING TRYING TRYING BUT IT'S ESCAPING SLOWLY ......URGGHHHHHHHH

I see there is a mighty 12 signatures now.

Some suprising names too.

Number six? Suggests that one of the mods is signed up too.

Pat mcgroin..

Percy Dalton wrote:I see there is a mighty 12 signatures now.

Some suprising names too.

Having Ashley Cole as part of the signatures isn't the best publicity for this imo

14:09 and still no reaction does the truth hurt


TIN HAT

Oh no, it escaped!!!


A petition is a request to change something, most commonly made to a government official or public entity. Petitions to a deity are a form of prayer.

In the colloquial sense, a petition is a document addressed to some official and signed by numerous individuals. A petition may be oral rather than written, and in this era may be transmitted via the Internet. The term also has a specific meaning in the legal profession as a request, directed to a court or administrative tribunal, seeking some sort of relief such as a court order.

Petition can also be the title of a legal pleading that initiates a legal case. The initial pleading in a civil lawsuit that seeks only money (damages) might be called (in most U.S. courts) a complaint. An initial pleading in a lawsuit that seeks non-monetary or "equitable" relief, such as a request for a writ of mandamus or habeas corpus, custody of a child, or probate of a will, is instead called a petition.
[edit] Early history

In pre-modern Imperial China petitions were always sent to an Office of Transmission (Tongzheng si or 通政司) where court secretaries read petitions aloud to the emperor.[1] Petitions could be sent by anybody, from a scholar-official to a common farmer, although the petitions were more likely read to the emperor if they were persuasive enough to impeach questionable and corrupt local officials from office.[1] When petitions arrived to the throne, multiple copies were made of the original and stored with the Office of Supervising Secretaries before the original written petition was sent to the emperor.[1]

Petitions were a common form of protest and request to the British House of Commons in the 18th and 19th centuries, the largest being the Great/People's Charter, or petition of the Chartists. They are still presented in small numbers.

The Petition Clause of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees the right of the people "to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." The right to petition has been held to include the right to file lawsuits against the government.
[edit] Modern use

Petitions are commonly used in the U.S. to qualify candidates for public office to appear on a ballot; while anyone can be a write-in candidate, a candidate desiring that his or her name appear on printed ballots and other official election materials must gather a certain number of valid signatures from registered voters. In jurisdictions whose laws allow for ballot initiatives, the gathering of a sufficient number of voter signatures qualilfies a proposed initiative to be placed on the ballot. The 2003 California recall election, which culminated in the recall of Governor Gray Davis and the election of Arnold Schwarzenegger, began when U.S. Representative Darrell Issa employed paid signature gatherers who obtained millions of signatures at a cost to Issa of millions of dollars. Once the requisite number of signatures was obtained on the recall petition, other petitions were circulated by would-be candidates who wanted to appear on the ballot as possible replacements for Davis. After that step, a vote on the recall was scheduled.

Other types of petitions include those that sought to free Nelson Mandela during his imprisonment by the former apartheid government of South Africa. The petitions had no legal effect, but the signatures of millions of people on the petitions represented a moral force that may have helped free Mandela and end apartheid. Non-governmental organizations such as Amnesty International often use petitions in an attempt to exert moral authority in support of various causes. Internet petition is a new form of a petition becoming commonplace in the 21st century. USMartin is an advocate of such a petition where he urges Arsenal F.C. fans to question the board on their activities since 2005 because he believes the board have shifted from their primary duty as guardians of the club and propellants of on the pitch success, to a new model of monetary prudence in order to increase the fixed asset value of the club in addition to the holdings of the club because such a move would raise the share price ahead of a proposed sale to overseas investors who would be prepared to pay large amounts for the shares and so make the board embers rich at the cost of a fallen competitive level of the playing team which is a bad thing but this theory is not shared by all fans hence the need for a petition to question whether such a thing has happened and the ongoing online debate as to the merits of such a theory and petition that have taken up vast amounts of online storage on the Online Gooner Forum and caused the moderators of such Forum to get eye strain from the effort of reading all the text.


Sorry.

I'll sign it later a bit busy at the moment!

The real value of a petition to a corporation, or rather its critics is monetary - as in the group petitioning is of greater monetary value than a series of individuals writng individual letters.

We see this logic in BP's efforts to agressive settle with individuals whose business and livelihoods have been shut down as a result of the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. The fact is today's legal climate with many conservative jodges on the bench in the Gulf Region, and many with ties to or money in big oil there, BP could win these suits or at least have damages against them reduced in a number of them, so why settle so quickly?

Well there are multiple factors - reduced legal fees amongst them, as well as controlling their brdget more effectively at a time when its stretched potentially beyond their financial means(I have heard that one somewhere before).

The major reason though is because its easier to settle now with individuals who either do not yet have lawyers filing cases against BP or who have lawyers less interested in winning their case them settling quickly, as opposed to lawyers who are determined to argue and win their case on behalf of their clients and often on behalf of their political constituency, in this case anti-drilling environmentalists.

Now as I noted earler BP could win in the class-action suit or get a judge willing to reduce the damges in a class-action suit as well, but if they lose a class-action case it will cost far more than individual settlements with the 1000 plaintiffs would have, and because the plaintiffs are United behind a strong lawyer not eager to settle for the first dollar coming his way and determined to fight for his as well as his client's cause settling is far more difficult at this stage.

It's the same principle here. An individual customer can be more easily swayed by an appeal from the club, and if they cannot its one individual customer lost. That priciple will apply 1000 times over the same way when 1000 individuals write individual letters.

A group signing a petition however may not be as easily swayed by the club's efforts to justify their actions and if 1000 signers are on the petition it likely that the club has lost most if not all of those individual customers.

That is how they would see it. It may or may not be scientifically true, but corporations would rather have to deal with 1000 individual opportuntiies to lose 1000 dollars each than one group opportunity to lose one million, because the odds favor them keeping more of their money over 1000 chances better than over the one.

Again that is the corporate mindset.

As I say the individual letter is nothing I would discourage. I would simply also sign a petition or put one together for the individual letter wtriers to sign as well to further underline their individual concerns and their determination to get real and honest answers. Otherwise the individual letter on its own will get the same warmed-over response each time, because there is less financial risk to failing to address one individuals grievances than those of 100 or 1000 singers of a petition.

All this is so entertaining! I am thinking of cancelling all my sky and xbox subscription and just going through pages and pages of literature on this topic

Eight signatures.

Says it all.

Bring Back Pires wrote:Eight signatures.

Says it all.

I get a feeling that some maybe BOGUS

Amanda Huggingkiss