Enough is Enough

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psychoangus wrote:C'mon, it's not that bad, we're not Liverpool or Sp*dz.
Is that who we are comparing ourselves with now?Liverpool havent won a title in 20 years and the Spuds in 50.The benchmark is Man Utd and Chelsea and that is what this team has to be judged on.

The big problem is Wenger has it too easy he is under no pressure to deliver trophies.The board require a top 4 finish thats all.Thats why Wenger turned down the Madrid job.They demand success and Wenger would not have lasted a season there..Wenger goes 5 seasons without a trophy and he is rewarded with a 20% increase and a £6m pound a year contract.This board will never sack him and Wenger knows it

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If we compete in the champions league every year, you will see no change.

Get used to it everybody, and enjoy the (largely) great football.

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The DBs wrote:My first game was 40 years ago last weekend. Oddly against WBA and we beat them 6-2. I think having lived through the mid 80s and 90s things arent really that bad now, its just our expectations have increased!!
Not just our expectations DB - what about the ridiculous bloody ticket prices and the wages demanded by the here-today, gone-tomorrow prima-donnas?? That's the main reason that so many Gooners get pissed off - if we only had to pay a tenner or so it wouldn't be such a downer when things don't go well.

I can't add much to what has already been said except for -

we used to laugh at Sp*rs for playing pretty football but never winning anything. That's exactly what we've turned into!!

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donaldo wrote:
psychoangus wrote:C'mon, it's not that bad, we're not Liverpool or Sp*dz.
Is that who we are comparing ourselves with now?Liverpool havent won a title in 20 years and the Spuds in 50.The benchmark is Man Utd and Chelsea and that is what this team has to be judged on.

The big problem is Wenger has it too easy he is under no pressure to deliver trophies.The board require a top 4 finish thats all.Thats why Wenger turned down the Madrid job.They demand success and Wenger would not have lasted a season there..Wenger goes 5 seasons without a trophy and he is rewarded with a 20% increase and a £6m pound a year contract.This board will never sack him and Wenger knows it


+1 Good post

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donaldo wrote:
psychoangus wrote:C'mon, it's not that bad, we're not Liverpool or Sp*dz.
Is that who we are comparing ourselves with now?Liverpool havent won a title in 20 years and the Spuds in 50.The benchmark is Man Utd and Chelsea and that is what this team has to be judged on.

The big problem is Wenger has it too easy he is under no pressure to deliver trophies.The board require a top 4 finish thats all.Thats why Wenger turned down the Madrid job.They demand success and Wenger would not have lasted a season there..Wenger goes 5 seasons without a trophy and he is rewarded with a 20% increase and a £6m pound a year contract.This board will never sack him and Wenger knows it
Not really, just responding to the very first post who said we're the laughing stock of the Premiership. We're not, we're far from it. Every team has something you can laugh about, and we all know on here what ours are!

I agree we should benchmark against Manure and Chavski.

Man Utd have enjoyed a very good 15 years, but their golden generation are all but retired now, and they now find themselves in sincere financial difficulties, and a squad that have failed to truly convince me these days. Not good to lose to them though, hate them with a passion.

Chavski? Well if they didn't have billions of dollars pumped into their arse in 2003, we would've won a lot more, that's a given; we couldn't/can't compete with their financial clout, especially moving stadiums, so that's just a big shame.

I agree with your last paragraph.

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psychoangus wrote:If we compete in the champions league every year, you will see no change.

Get used to it everybody, and enjoy the (largely) great football.
Arsenal - pretty, but unexciting.

:barscarf:

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psychoangus wrote:
donaldo wrote:
psychoangus wrote:C'mon, it's not that bad, we're not Liverpool or Sp*dz.
Is that who we are comparing ourselves with now?Liverpool havent won a title in 20 years and the Spuds in 50.The benchmark is Man Utd and Chelsea and that is what this team has to be judged on.

The big problem is Wenger has it too easy he is under no pressure to deliver trophies.The board require a top 4 finish thats all.Thats why Wenger turned down the Madrid job.They demand success and Wenger would not have lasted a season there..Wenger goes 5 seasons without a trophy and he is rewarded with a 20% increase and a £6m pound a year contract.This board will never sack him and Wenger knows it
Not really, just responding to the very first post who said we're the laughing stock of the Premiership. We're not, we're far from it. Every team has something you can laugh about, and we all know on here what ours are!

I agree we should benchmark against Manure and Chavski.

Man Utd have enjoyed a very good 15 years, but their golden generation are all but retired now, and they now find themselves in sincere financial difficulties, and a squad that have failed to truly convince me these days. Not good to lose to them though, hate them with a passion.

Chavski? Well if they didn't have billions of dollars pumped into their arse in 2003, we would've won a lot more, that's a given; we couldn't/can't compete with their financial clout, especially moving stadiums, so that's just a big shame.

I agree with your last paragraph.
A given?(Shay).Since 2005 we havent finished ahead of Man Utd in the league.So even without Chelski we wouldnt have won a league title.Oh yeah i forgot the 2007 beer cup :lol: :lol:

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donaldo wrote:
psychoangus wrote:
donaldo wrote:
psychoangus wrote:C'mon, it's not that bad, we're not Liverpool or Sp*dz.
Is that who we are comparing ourselves with now?Liverpool havent won a title in 20 years and the Spuds in 50.The benchmark is Man Utd and Chelsea and that is what this team has to be judged on.

The big problem is Wenger has it too easy he is under no pressure to deliver trophies.The board require a top 4 finish thats all.Thats why Wenger turned down the Madrid job.They demand success and Wenger would not have lasted a season there..Wenger goes 5 seasons without a trophy and he is rewarded with a 20% increase and a £6m pound a year contract.This board will never sack him and Wenger knows it
Not really, just responding to the very first post who said we're the laughing stock of the Premiership. We're not, we're far from it. Every team has something you can laugh about, and we all know on here what ours are!

I agree we should benchmark against Manure and Chavski.

Man Utd have enjoyed a very good 15 years, but their golden generation are all but retired now, and they now find themselves in sincere financial difficulties, and a squad that have failed to truly convince me these days. Not good to lose to them though, hate them with a passion.

Chavski? Well if they didn't have billions of dollars pumped into their arse in 2003, we would've won a lot more, that's a given; we couldn't/can't compete with their financial clout, especially moving stadiums, so that's just a big shame.

I agree with your last paragraph.
A given?(Shay).Since 2005 we havent finished ahead of Man Utd in the league.So even without Chelski we wouldnt have won a league title.Oh yeah i forgot the 2007 beer cup :lol: :lol:
Well, maybe some FA Cups too?

:D

Fair point.

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The goalkeeping situation is turning us into a laughing stock....judging by the texts I received after WBA! I even had one from a Sheffield Wednesday fan taking the piss out of us so things really must have hit rock bottom.....

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Only One Tony Adams wrote:
OnlyGotOneSong wrote:Enough is enough, is enough.

NO MORE TEARS!

(Just looked at the word "enough" and it looks really weird)
Showing your age there mate................ :lol:
Would you be surprised if I said that this song was released 12 years before I was even born?


Also, nice to see that when someone else talks about the board, they dont get jumped on as if they were some burning terrorist.

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OnlyGotOneSong wrote:
Only One Tony Adams wrote:
OnlyGotOneSong wrote:Enough is enough, is enough.

NO MORE TEARS!

(Just looked at the word "enough" and it looks really weird)
Showing your age there mate................ :lol:
Would you be surprised if I said that this song was released 12 years before I was even born?


Also, nice to see that when someone else talks about the board, they dont get jumped on as if they were some burning terrorist.
Are you US Martin in disguise? :shock:

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frankbutcher wrote:Not a controversial statement in itself, but this Club is now one of the biggest laughing stocks in the League. The Club is nothing short of being a circus. When will this madness cease? Can the downward spiral be stopped? My blood literally boils watching our group of over-paid, egotistical prima-donnas. The cause of this mess - Wenger. The guy has lost all respect amongst his peers, but even worse, he has lost the respect of the players. They simply don't play for him anymore. Look at Arshavin, Diaby etc. Even more worrying is his relentless persistence with the shit-c**ts we have in goal. And the effect of this - he's lost the squad, because if Wenger can't see that they're costing us games, then what's the point in putting in the effort, because however hard you defend, however hard you try to put a good run in the league together, it will inevitably be flushed down the toilet by the waiter or flappy.

Just think what last year's implosion at Birmingham did for team morale. Look at what Al did on Saturday. Do you know what - I don't actually blame the players. Arshavin has clearly been fed lies to get him to the Club. "We will compete." "We will win trophies." It would be like accepting a job at Waitrose and then finding out you've actually joined Lidl.

This madness will only end if Wenger pops his clogs, because he ain't going to be sacked. The JCL shitcunts that inhabit the Emirates think the sun shines out of his arse, when it doesn't. He is steering this Club into oblivion. Wenger KNEW, but not anymore. He is dismantling this Club quicker than he ever built it.

Just watch us when we finish outside the top four...it will be like rats fleeing a sinking ship.

You have been warned... but to be honest those that can see the madness don't need to be warned, and those that can't see it never will, even when it blows up in their faces.
to say that arsenal are one of the biggest laughing stocks in the league is blatantly an exaggeration. I would say the majority of the fans of other clubs generally look at Arsenal as an example of how things should be done- regardless of the rights and wrongs of Wenger's transfer strategy, it is the case that he has managed to control spending, keep the club profitable, and still keep them in the top 4

With a new stadium, money was always going to be fairly tight, and even if Wenger was to spend big in recent seasons, Chelsea have had so much money to spend (and City do now) that there is no guarantee that it wouldnt simply have led to them spending more, ending with Chelsea still being the ones to win the league, whilst Arsenal risk financial problems in the future

Currently, Wenger seems to be keeping Arsenal in the CL (which is vital, and which is something Liverpool would love), is keeping the finances healthy, which could prove a masterstroke when the financial fair play rules come in and is taking a medium to long term view of the situation

In addition to this, he obviously has the side playing great football. Now, I realise that for fans of the club, this might not be enough (although as I mentioned with Liverpool, it could be a lot, lot worse), but from the outside looking in, they are far from a laughing stock- Arsenal seem to be a well run, sensible club playing great football who are still in with a chance of winning trophies

I would never say to fans of other clubs "you dont know how well you have it", or "you can't complain" etc- I remember when we had Peter Reid, two 7th placed finishes werent built on, we didnt spend money and the next season we were 15th. People were frustrated and eventually (in the season we finished bottom with 19 points), it boiled over into people actively wanting him (and eventually him getting) sacked. We had the media and other people in the game all saying "they can't complain about Reid, look what he has done in the past for the club", but as supporters we appreciated that whilst also realising that he wasnt going the right way for the future, and we knew better than any outsiders what needed to change. Because of this, I wouldnt say Arsenal fans are wrong if they question Wenger, but I do think that being unconnected to the club you can at least comment on how the club is perceived, and a laughing stock couldnt be further from the truth

Wenger has made baffling decisions, and obviously the most baffling is the keeper- he didnt need to spend massive money, £6m would get a good enough goal keeper, so it is strange that an obvious weak spot hasnt been dealt with and it is a mistake that, imo, will end up costing you any chance of the title. The fact is though, he probably is only that one player off having a genuine chance of winning the title and, whilst it will be frustrating that this seems to have been the case for ages never being addressed, at least it shows that he isnt a million miles off. The centre back issue seems to have been addressed at least, the new lad was absolute class against us and seems to have started very well

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Henry Norris 1913 wrote:
OnlyGotOneSong wrote:
Only One Tony Adams wrote:
OnlyGotOneSong wrote:Enough is enough, is enough.

NO MORE TEARS!

(Just looked at the word "enough" and it looks really weird)
Showing your age there mate................ :lol:
Would you be surprised if I said that this song was released 12 years before I was even born?


Also, nice to see that when someone else talks about the board, they dont get jumped on as if they were some burning terrorist.
Are you US Martin in disguise? :shock:
No but I think he gets alot of undeserved criticism. I wont go into it at the moment because I dont have the time but I agree with alot of what he says, even if it is a bit long winded at times.

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safcftm wrote:Wenger has made baffling decisions, and obviously the most baffling is the keeper- he didnt need to spend massive money, £6m would get a good enough goal keeper, so it is strange that an obvious weak spot hasnt been dealt with and it is a mistake that, imo, will end up costing you any chance of the title. The fact is though, he probably is only that one player off having a genuine chance of winning the title and, whilst it will be frustrating that this seems to have been the case for ages never being addressed.....
You've hit the nail on the head there. Maybe we should be grateful/pleased that we're perceived as being only one player away from winning the league. However that is the frustration. A couple of years ago we were a striker short of winning the league - and we let Anelka go to Chelsea when the obvious thing to do was for us to buy him.

And now we are "only" a goalkeeper short of a title winning side! How frustrating then that we've all known this for god knows how long and yet we're all still saying it.....

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OnlyGotOneSong wrote:
Henry Norris 1913 wrote:
OnlyGotOneSong wrote:
Only One Tony Adams wrote:
OnlyGotOneSong wrote:Enough is enough, is enough.

NO MORE TEARS!

(Just looked at the word "enough" and it looks really weird)
Showing your age there mate................ :lol:
Would you be surprised if I said that this song was released 12 years before I was even born?


Also, nice to see that when someone else talks about the board, they dont get jumped on as if they were some burning terrorist.
Are you US Martin in disguise? :shock:
No but I think he gets alot of undeserved criticism. I wont go into it at the moment because I dont have the time but I agree with alot of what he says, even if it is a bit long winded at times.
I agree with you to a certain extent. I think though he does himself no favours by turning 80% of his posts into rants about the B***d. Some of what he says is pretty interesting and probably accurate but it can tend to get lost/skipped over by casual readers because of length (oo-er missus) and/or repetition. A shame really.

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