As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
NBN wrote: What fleecing supporters week in week out, spending no money, winning fuck all, lying to supporters, alienating the traditional fanbase.
Open your eyes mate. As long as the club can keep people like you on board by convincing you the way we operate is somehow more honourable than others, they will keep filling their pockets and nothing will change.
WHERE IS THE FUCKING MONEY GOING?????????
Excellent post, really.
My sense is too many Gooners see us as what we used to be rather than looking at us as what we are now, and there is no doubt in my mind that the Club has exploited that attitude at every single opportunity.
This has prevented serious deabte oon the real issue which is your closing question, though I would say maybe its "Why isn't more of that money going back into the football team?"
NBN wrote: What fleecing supporters week in week out, spending no money, winning fuck all, lying to supporters, alienating the traditional fanbase.
Open your eyes mate. As long as the club can keep people like you on board by convincing you the way we operate is somehow more honourable than others, they will keep filling their pockets and nothing will change.
WHERE IS THE FUCKING MONEY GOING?????????
Excellent post, really.
My sense is too many Gooners see us as what we used to be rather than looking at us as what we are now, and there is no doubt in my mind that the Club has exploited that attitude at every single opportunity.
This has prevented serious deabte oon the real issue which is your closing question, though I would say maybe its "Why isn't more of that money going back into the football team?"
NBN wrote: What fleecing supporters week in week out, spending no money, winning fuck all, lying to supporters, alienating the traditional fanbase.
Open your eyes mate. As long as the club can keep people like you on board by convincing you the way we operate is somehow more honourable than others, they will keep filling their pockets and nothing will change.
WHERE IS THE FUCKING MONEY GOING?????????
Excellent post, really.
My sense is too many Gooners see us as what we used to be rather than looking at us as what we are now, and there is no doubt in my mind that the Club has exploited that attitude at every single opportunity.
This has prevented serious deabte oon the real issue which is your closing question, though I would say maybe its "Why isn't more of that money going back into the football team?"
IT IS GOING BACK INTO THE FOOTBALL TEAM....
ON SHIT PLAYERS' CONTRACTS.
In some instances yes, but that doesn't explain why more of it isn't going into the team - unless we are investing more money in players we know are not good enough as a purely money-saving measure...
These are the sorts of things we want to clarify so that the needed changes can be strongly encouraged and quickly made.
Step wrote:Of course we need to buy. I am not arguing with that.
We would benefit enormously from players like Scott Parker (who wouldn't cost afirtune and would bring some spirit and mental strength!! to the team.
A quality CB also needed in the mould of a Tony Adams but i would stick with Schezny.
Appropriate spending is what we need and to shift out the dead wood.
Well and true.
The problem is this - what is appropriate spending with a club such as ours
given the money at our disposal (50-80 million pounds now certainly even before any probable summer sales)
AND
What is appropriate spending NOW given that there has been well below appropriate spending several years running.
Step wrote:Of course we need to buy. I am not arguing with that.
We would benefit enormously from players like Scott Parker (who wouldn't cost afirtune and would bring some spirit and mental strength!! to the team.
A quality CB also needed in the mould of a Tony Adams but i would stick with Schezny.
Appropriate spending is what we need and to shift out the dead wood.
Which is exactly the view of, and indeed, the very reason for the existence of, arsenalfcnotplc.
Because that spending has not happened for three seasons.
Longer than that really - though an argument can be made that that was out of necessity in some of those, whereas in recent years that is clearly not the case any longer. And as you say that is the point of arsenalfcnotplc now.
I would only add beyond that even if the non-spending was necessary in those yrears that non-spending still has to be corrected as well, given that is necessary to compensate for weakening the team at that time, which still happened regardless of the reasoning behind it then.
Agree with the movement. There is a huuuuuge difference between buying the title a la Chelski and spending a combined £30 - £50 million which is sat in the bank on a GK, DCM and CB, £10 - £20 million of which could be recouped in selling the dross or releasing them much quicker!
Denilson, for example, in wages alone has so far cost £8 million and I'm sure he's got another 3 years left where we are contracutaly obliged to keep paying him! If we'd have got rid of him 2 seasons ago, when it was plain for all and sundry to see his was a waste of time we could have saved a couple of million and that is assuming he went on a free! (which is pretty unrealistic).
Also, as others have said, winning anything in the last 3 years (which should have been possible with those tweaks) would have generated at least an extra £2-£3 million in revenue plus the additional commercial benefits worth a couple of million.
In real terms (taking ito account sales etc), I believe we would have had to genuinely have dipped into about £20 or £30 million of the clubs funds, to be where we should be as a club which earns as much as it does and charges as much as it does. That's not buying the title by any means
Step wrote:Absolutely goonana or whatever your name is.
Crap players on comfy wages is a recipe for disaster and the reason there is so little passion coming from the Arsenal side.
Shift the deadwood now and bring in Cahill at CB and Parker in midfield as a start.
We will be lucky to finish top 4 this year with the bunch we have.
And the real problem is this policy could cause the finaincasil fair play rules to hurt us more than any other top club.
Someone raised the point that our wage bill is nearing the all-important 50% of wages mark, and after that we would be breaking the rules everyone is counting on to make us that much stronger.
If that is the case we would be stuck with this team basically unless we we were able to sell off the overpaid underperformers , and replace them with higher paid more proven players. We may not make any money from their sales but that is the price of a fatally flawed strategy maybe.
If we do not mover to sell several of there players or even let them leave for free we will find ourselves trapped with an inferior team no matter who the manager is I fear.
This just occurred to me tonight, but we have to fix this right now while we still can fix it or the rules will stop as as much any lack of desire that may exist inside the club.
