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but from an arsenal point of view if our nearest club and historical rivals call them selfs **** army then arsenal fans are going to use the same word back at them
The fact is they called themselves that because originally opposing fans called them that first - shall we start calling black people niggers because a few gangster rappers use the term?

In fact that is not even a like for like scenerio because, for the umpteenth time, the vast majority of Spurs fans are NOT JEWISH, so it does not matter that they call themselves the ****.
but this is too much for it is not the clubs fault,, so why sue the club
Oh for fucks sake, suing the club "about right"??? what bollocks. The club can't be held responsible for modern culture, history and the way football fans think and behave so how can the club itself be sued
The club has the power over who it lets through its doors, so it is its fault if it fails to eject fans who are chanting racially offensive chants - as they are requried to do by law.

In fact, unlike the 1970s and 80s where thousands of people turned up at the gate with admission fee on the day and had no idea who they were today you can only get in if you have a membership of sorts. You cannot buy a ticket on the door, you have to purchase with a debit card - the club knows everything about a punter from their e-mail address, billing address, credit card number and exactly where they are positioned in the ground and CCTV footage. The club is even more culpable as they know exactly who comes through the door and are failing to use the sanction of revoking club membership and banning fans from their using such terms.
To me it sounds like they are on a crusade and are out to make a name for themselves
Really - I personally think they'd rather watch a game of football without listening to people dress up racial chants as friendly banter between football fans than spend tonnes of cash on legal fees - after all legal aid is not that easily available for civil action. If what you've said has even a tiny ounce of truth then rather than threatening to sue they would already be suing for a remedy because they've already been wronged, therefore would be legally entitled to that remedy.

At the end of the day the club are not being sued for a large sum of cash, they are being given a wake up call - it's up to them to act on it.
and how would that help the so called "offended" apart from adding to their probably already considerable bank balance
Right and you've seen their bank balance have you?
I'm sure that they would'nt have felt all that intimidated complaining to the stewards in club level, for that is surely where they sit.
Doesn't say that anywhere in the article. Do elaborate on why you think they're club level members?
The sooner they fuck off back to watching rugger buggers or rowing at Henley
oh right because members of rugger clubs are socially conscious sensitive limp wristed guardian reading lefties who don't like industrial language and the toffs at Henley don't dig racism?
and let the people who've stuck by this club through thick and thin for the last 40 odd years back in the better
Right, and those people of Jewish extraction who have followed Arsenal for 40 years through thick and thin - they're really not bothered about hearing chants about '****'?

In fact as a red member who has followed Arsenal for 23 of my 29 years and present at many a big game prior to the all seater era - including the last in front of the North Bank in 1992 against Southampton - I'm fucked off that the club allows people like that in every week only to chant such racist obscenities unchallenged.
Bring back real Arsenal fans and fuck off the prawn sandwich eating wankers with a huge bank balance, too much time on their hands and expensive, fancy lawyers.
What and only those who have a tolerance to anti-semetic chanting can be a 'real' Arsenal fan and not one of the prawn sandwich mob - sorry for not nodding in agreement at that one. Your references to social class and new and old football fans are totally off the point and have no relevance here at all.
and were prime members in the ridiculous campaign urging our players to shoot once they entered the opposition half last season
What's nouveau football about that? Our players did have a reluctance to shoot last season and the number of goals scored by the like of Fabregas from distance is testament to the fact it was correct.
but we cannot blame them for everything
oh why not? It's a lot easier to have a convienient scapegoat - just ask Hitler.
look at the rascist abuse jens has got at away games for being German. so aparently were rascist!!!!
For the umpteenth time - TWO WRONGS.....

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My mates a t*ttenham fan and he sed its fukkin ridiculous, his words not mine!!!!!

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My mates a t*ttenham fan and he sed its fukkin ridiculous, his words not mine!!!!!
Is he Jewish?

Look the fact Spurs call themselves that is not relevant at all.

If you have two sets of white kids in a small town in the sticks - one who listen to white rock music and the other who listen to hip hop, the fact that the rock fans call the hip hop fans 'niggers' and the hip hop fans are ok with that and call themselves the 'niggers' does not take anything away from the fact that it is a racially offensive term and black people find the word 'nigger' offensive.

That hypothetical scenerio is what is of relevance to this situation here. The word **** is offensive to Jewish people - it is racist. Arsenal's Jewish fans have every right to turn up to a game and expect not to hear it - whether you like that fact or not.

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Is he Jewish?

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yea he is jewish!!!!

and he thinks its ridiculous that fans cant sing what there rivals sing week in and week out, equal opps u see, but then agen he wouldnt give 2 fucks what ne1 says or thinks about his religun neway!!!

we always take the pi55 out of eachother *racially as a joke* also have a black friend who always *racially* argue with, but then agen i guess different people take things in different ways, plus the 3 of us *me the black bloke and the jew* grew up together so wouldnt give 2 fucks what ne of us sed to eachother....
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You're missing the point. If a Jewish person is at Arsenal, or any other club for that matter, and hears the word '****' being branded about, he is entitled to find that offensive. It isn't for us to say. I'm sure that there are some who don't find it offensive. However, I am also sure that there are plenty who do find it offensive.

So should we just ignore the Jewish people who don't want to hear the word '****' at a football game?

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at arsenal **** is a term used for spu&rs fans and not used in a racist manner,, there prob is some racists but of all the teams in england it would be safe to say arsenal are the most multi cultured around.
is calling an irish person paddy or mick not racist :wink:

but we take it as a joke :wink:
any of ye cnuts use it and i sue :wink:

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Yeah but Rebel, the point is that, regardless of what context we use it in, what if a Jewish person finds the usage of it offensive? Should we ignore them? Tell them to lighten up a bit?!

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rebel gooner wrote:at arsenal **** is a term used for spu&rs fans and not used in a racist manner,, there prob is some racists but of all the teams in england it would be safe to say arsenal are the most multi cultured around.
is calling an irish person paddy or mick not racist :wink:

but we take it as a joke :wink:
any of ye cnuts use it and i sue :wink:
sorry pad, lol, i very valid point that was going to be my next point comeinh onto arsenal, how can any of our *emglish* fans be racist when half of out team are black, with only hoyte and walcott 2 of barely any english players, and we have the best manager in the league and 1 of the best in the world who is french????

Arsenal + Racist = My ArseNal.....

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yes if i went up to a jewish person and called him a ****,, but a song about our rivals who proudly use the same word,, then no and i wont not sing it,, **** army my arse

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at arsenal **** is a term used for spu&rs fans and not used in a racist manner
Just out of interest...

a) should the fact that the word '****' is used in reference to Spurs is because Tottenham had a large Jewish population be updated to reflect the area's current ethnic make up and refer to them as 'coons'?

b) based on this criteria should we call West Ham 'pakis'

After we won't be using it in a racial way, just referring to the clubs?

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im quiet sure cus if the self proclaimed **** army stopped using the word then we would never ever hear it at the grove again

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sorry pad, lol, i very valid point that was going to be my next point comeinh onto arsenal, how can any of our *emglish* fans be racist when half of out team are black, with only hoyte and walcott 2 of barely any english players, and we have the best manager in the league and 1 of the best in the world who is french????

Arsenal + Racist = My ArseNal.....
'Enoch was right, keep Britain white. I used to be into gear but I'm now into racism and it's much heavier man! wogs out, keep Britain white' - Eric Clapton, Birmingham 1976.

But of course it can't be racism because old Eric was mates with Hendrix and loved the blues and even covered Marley's I shot the Sheriff.

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im quiet sure cus if the self proclaimed **** army stopped using the word then we would never ever hear it at the grove again
and for the umpteenth time....the vast majority of them are NOT JEWISH.

It is no skin off their gentile noses whether the word '****' is chanted or not. Like those hypothetical white suburban kids I mentioned and the term 'nigger'.

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im now asking my tottenham mate what he thinks, will see what he says about the whole thing!!!!!

will post the session on here when i finished, his not the jewish 1!!!!!

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