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As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: very good

The only disappointing thing is the fact that the "top comment" is from some wanker saying:

"Without arsene wenger, we would be in the bottom of the pit, He has revolutionized the football game. Do you not remember who constructed the invincibles? The one who spotted henry and cesc himself. And he will do it again. So what if we dont win this year, theres the next year and the year after that. All you that are calling for his head arent real Gooners, go to spurs."

Fucking hell, he hasnt "revolutionised" football, he just plays a short passing game. Without Wenger, Arsenal would not be "bottom of the pit", they were successful well before Wenger arrived and will be successful again (possibly only) after he leaves.

People remember who "constructed the invincibles" but then again, much though a full unbeaten league season is fucking impressive, its only worth the same as any other PL title, he didn't win the european cup or anything so that alone doesn't mark him out as a genius, his great side didnt even retain the title the next season.

I'll give him the bit about spotting Henry and Fabregas (well, he properly spotted Henry, Fabregas was already at Barcelona when Wenger saw him so he hardly picked him off the street, but fair play he developed him into the player he is now).

He will do it again apparently- not much sign of that tbh, he still tries to develop young players but he has been far from unearthing another Henry and the game has changed so much that nowadays it is almost impossible to keep young players that do make the grade- unless they're winning things straight away they'll want a bigger wage and the chance of league titles.

So what if you dont win this year, theres always next year and the one after that etc, fucking hell, some attitude that. With the set up Arsenal have, going 6 years without a trophy is a disgrace, and to suggest that, in effect, it doesn't matter how long this continues for because "there's always next year" is a joke, very few big clubs have that mentality and rightly so.

Oh aye, and it seems that anyone with a different opinion to this bloke isn't a gooner and should support Spurs :? I notice right at the start of the comment he spells "revolutionise" with a "z" instead of an "s", so the chances are that this die hard "real" Gooner is probably an American which (nee offence to USMartin or any others around), probably means that he has a fucking cheek to call any of the many fans who actually have Arsenal in their blood "fake" supporters who should apparently go and support Spurs, maybe he should fuck off and support the Dallas Cowboys. Plastic wanker.

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agree with most of the above
but I think an unbeaten league season is special
and is a bit different from any other title triumph

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I posted the link this morning in the Wenger press conference thread as my mate put it up on FB. Definately deserves it's own thread it gets better each time I hear it :lol:

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highburyJD wrote:agree with most of the above
but I think an unbeaten league season is special
and is a bit different from any other title triumph
I think it depends how you are looking at it. If we are talking about it from a fans perspective then yes, it definitely is special. It's the kind of thing that you would never expect to see done again and is something that the fans and the club will rightly remember forever and forever be proud of.

My point isn't that its not a great achievement, or that it isn't any more impressive than winning the title by one point with the lowest total ever for a league winner, of course its more impressive. My point relates purely to what a season like that tells us about a manager since the lad commenting on that video is using it to champion keeping Wenger in charge for as long as he wants the job. My point is that does it prove, beyond doubt, that Wenger is a manager so good that he should be stuck with at all times? I would argue not. When assessing a manager's achievements it still only counts as a league title like any other, and one that wasnt retained which would have shown a genuine period of dominance for Arsenal and thats what i mean when i say its only worth the same as any other league title, maybe to the fans it is more special (it will be), but it is still only one title and doesn't mark Wenger out as being a particular genius. I would argue that, whilst it was an amazing achievment, it will (like all things in football I suppose) have been achieved with a degree of good fortune (for instance Van Nistelrooy missing a penalty etc). It was a great season but the great managers don't have one great season, they put together great teams that keep winning and then they create another team that does similar, and whilst the Invincibles were a great team for a season, they didnt conquer europe and they didn't retain their title.

Whilst an unbeaten season is a great achievement, a "routine" league title coupled with a european cup, or coupled with retaining the title the next season would have reflected better on Wenger's abilities as a manager and would have shown ability to build a team and keep it at the top of the league, as opposed to winning a one off title in spectacular fashion. As a result, I don't think the fact that Arsenal went that whole season without losing a game really proves him to be the right man for the job now, many years on. It proves that he built a great team one season that eventually disbanded and, unlike Ferguson and other genuine greats, he didnt assemble another side to conquer England again a couple of years later, instead the title hasn't been won since the Invincible season. The Invincibles season was special, but it doesnt do enough to mark Wenger out as a great manager and the man who should be given as much time in the job as he wants
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I agree with safcftmMartin (I think :oops:) :lol: :lol: :wink:

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I Hate Hleb wrote:I agree with safcftmMartin (I think :oops:) :lol: :lol: :wink:
:lol: look, its a friday, im bored at work, so i want to type incredibly long posts to pass the day :wink:

At least I didnt mention the "b" word though!

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