rant over!
Ticket Demand Falling ?
True, but too many clubs don't react to the market and just ride the wave rather than preparing for the impending drop in interest. Only one club can win the title every year and ticket-wise a load of clubs are in danger of not selling games out at all this season. Maybe it won't end up being as bad as Wigan (have they EVER sold out a game?) but AFC especially have priced families out of going on the fly (no concs without membership to premier league games at least), Club Level is just a joke, they barely ever sell tickets on the day on general sale (granted that's because most games are sold out but again, tourists can't randomly think 'lets go and see arsenal while we're here' because they dont have the option on the day) and the only winner is the pockets of the club because they end up with all the wonga they're ripping us off for!
rant over!
rant over!
Agreed, the clubs have (imo) been very shortsighted. Similar, in a way, to the banks thinking the peak would last forever, dishing out the massive bonuses etc and being completely unprepared for the fact that eventually all this credit you were giving out would need to be repaid but that it was being given to people who couldnt afford to pay it back. Clubs have chased the money, they've alienated their traditional fans, they've priced a lot of families out of attending and have made a lot of 20/30 year old blokes feel unwelcome and theyve done it because they thought the all smiling all dancing poster boy fans off the sky adverts would keep attending no matter how little chance their club has of actually achieving anything and no matter how much it costs. They were wrong.skizz_b wrote:True, but too many clubs don't react to the market and just ride the wave rather than preparing for the impending drop in interest. Only one club can win the title every year and ticket-wise a load of clubs are in danger of not selling games out at all this season. Maybe it won't end up being as bad as Wigan (have they EVER sold out a game?) but AFC especially have priced families out of going on the fly (no concs without membership to premier league games at least), Club Level is just a joke, they barely ever sell tickets on the day on general sale (granted that's because most games are sold out but again, tourists can't randomly think 'lets go and see arsenal while we're here' because they dont have the option on the day) and the only winner is the pockets of the club because they end up with all the wonga they're ripping us off for!
rant over!
So what do they do when the fans stop attending? Well, not much, by now matchday revenue accounts for so little of a clubs overall turnover that they dont need to sell out, they'll keep ramping prices to try to maximise gate receipts but the atmospheres will get worse, foreign fans will get sick of watching half empty grounds on television, TV deals will fall as the few billionaire run clubs and possibly the corporate machine of man united put ever growing distances between themselves and the rest and completely destroy the idea of a competitive sport, clubs will get in financial trouble and when they eventually lower prices to try to get the traditional fans back, they'll realise that these fans are out of the way of going and arent prepared to be "invited" back having been treated like shit.
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Gunnersaurus
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The club will get a massive shock next year when it comes to renewal time, so far it looks like getting a ticket won't be a problem for any level of membership which makes paying out large sums upfront pointless in this climate.
In previous years the games would sell out so you still craved the security, if we have a season of general sales more often than not then they will get what they deserve at renewal time.
Only success on the pitch can change this but that's looking about as likely as the club lowering the ticket prices.
In previous years the games would sell out so you still craved the security, if we have a season of general sales more often than not then they will get what they deserve at renewal time.
Only success on the pitch can change this but that's looking about as likely as the club lowering the ticket prices.
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I personally think if the club enters the Europa League we can look forward to half empty stadium next season because unless the prices fall in line with Carling Cup then I dont know who is going to go to these games.Gunnersaurus wrote:The club will get a massive shock next year when it comes to renewal time, so far it looks like getting a ticket won't be a problem for any level of membership which makes paying out large sums upfront pointless in this climate.
In previous years the games would sell out so you still craved the security, if we have a season of general sales more often than not then they will get what they deserve at renewal time.
Only success on the pitch can change this but that's looking about as likely as the club lowering the ticket prices.
Personally part of me feels that failing to get top 4 could be the best thing to happen this club in the last 6 years because it could finally kick them up the arse.
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I agree but knowing this club it will do the opposite and sell any big player we have left while relying on more kids and building a team around the mighty Diaby and the returning Bendtner and Vela who will be like new signings.
I have no faith that it will kick anyone up the arse and think the club would rely on the man who has qualified for the CL year on year to get us back in it, who else could compete with his track record to qualify will be the spun line.
I have no faith that it will kick anyone up the arse and think the club would rely on the man who has qualified for the CL year on year to get us back in it, who else could compete with his track record to qualify will be the spun line.
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I had noticed that our away game at Newcastle, where the "greatest fans in the world" supposedly live, breathe and die football was some 5,000 odd below capacity.
The times they are a changing - might eventually bring ticket prices down but it will be late to win many of the original fans back.
"consumers/ customers" come and go with the fads and trends, fans would have been there forever if they hadn't been deemed surplus to requirements.
The times they are a changing - might eventually bring ticket prices down but it will be late to win many of the original fans back.
"consumers/ customers" come and go with the fads and trends, fans would have been there forever if they hadn't been deemed surplus to requirements.
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Spot on mate. Not only that, but these billionaire investors, when they realise their share price is falling because of the knock on effect of slow sales, lower revenues and fewer corporate sponsorship deals, will jump ship and go elsewhere.safcftm wrote:Agreed, the clubs have (imo) been very shortsighted. Similar, in a way, to the banks thinking the peak would last forever, dishing out the massive bonuses etc and being completely unprepared for the fact that eventually all this credit you were giving out would need to be repaid but that it was being given to people who couldnt afford to pay it back. Clubs have chased the money, they've alienated their traditional fans, they've priced a lot of families out of attending and have made a lot of 20/30 year old blokes feel unwelcome and theyve done it because they thought the all smiling all dancing poster boy fans off the sky adverts would keep attending no matter how little chance their club has of actually achieving anything and no matter how much it costs. They were wrong.skizz_b wrote:True, but too many clubs don't react to the market and just ride the wave rather than preparing for the impending drop in interest. Only one club can win the title every year and ticket-wise a load of clubs are in danger of not selling games out at all this season. Maybe it won't end up being as bad as Wigan (have they EVER sold out a game?) but AFC especially have priced families out of going on the fly (no concs without membership to premier league games at least), Club Level is just a joke, they barely ever sell tickets on the day on general sale (granted that's because most games are sold out but again, tourists can't randomly think 'lets go and see arsenal while we're here' because they dont have the option on the day) and the only winner is the pockets of the club because they end up with all the wonga they're ripping us off for!
rant over!
So what do they do when the fans stop attending? Well, not much, by now matchday revenue accounts for so little of a clubs overall turnover that they dont need to sell out, they'll keep ramping prices to try to maximise gate receipts but the atmospheres will get worse, foreign fans will get sick of watching half empty grounds on television, TV deals will fall as the few billionaire run clubs and possibly the corporate machine of man united put ever growing distances between themselves and the rest and completely destroy the idea of a competitive sport, clubs will get in financial trouble and when they eventually lower prices to try to get the traditional fans back, they'll realise that these fans are out of the way of going and arent prepared to be "invited" back having been treated like shit.
We're starting to see it now where these billionaire investors are investing in clubs outside the UK - PSG and Malaga have both been taken over by rich businessmen recently.
Trouble is, when these billionaires move on to a new toy, clubs like Chavski will be left with huge unsustainable wage bills, no long term supporters, an empty stadium and no good players in their side as they pay off their quickly amassing debts.
Say what you like about Gazidis/Wenger/Arsenal's "way of doing things", and yes we are tighter than a nun on easter sunday, but I don't believe my post is a huge exaggeration and we're well placed to ride out the storm which is surely imminent now.
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What it shows mate is all the bollocks who mouth off that they are dying for tickets and can't get any, soon change their tune when things change...they have the luxury of saying I would go if I could, and then not going when they can.Peeman wrote:Sunderland now gone on general sale aswell
Whatever happened to the 40000 or 50000 on the ST waiting list
Thats every match except the Scouse now
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