It's very interesting to note certain people slating Denilson and claiming how they always knew he wasn't good enough. I pray do tell: when Denilson was according to OPTA stats, the most successful passing midfielder in the league for over six months, were you all saying he was rubbish? I somehow doubt it.
I remember exactly the same being said of Denilson: wait to judge him.
No one is saying Arteta is crap. He isn't.
The problem is, he isn't good enough for a Champions League club.
Everton and Villa are his level. Simple.
Arteta
Arteta made a simple 3 yard square pass to Van Persie.Gunnersaurus wrote:Arteta did do the same for Van Persie third goal, you've just made your mind up about him and as usual are trying to convince yourself that you are right.
My point is that Arteta does not make incisive passes and spot diagonal runs.
You've just given me an example of precisely the same thing I was criticizing him about.
Don't let revisionism (and facts) get in the way mind....
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Sorry mate, but we were, stats like that mean fuck all when you pass it sideways.Babatunde wrote:It's very interesting to note certain people slating Denilson and claiming how they always knew he wasn't good enough. I pray do tell: when Denilson was according to OPTA stats, the most successful passing midfielder in the league for over six months, were you all saying he was rubbish? I somehow doubt it.
I remember exactly the same being said of Denilson: wait to judge him.
No one is saying Arteta is crap. He isn't.
The problem is, he isn't good enough for a Champions League club.
Everton and Villa are his level. Simple.
Arteta is light years ahead of Denilson. But when you've let Fabregas slip through your hands everyone will seem a bit shit
Disagree. I actually think Alex Thong and Ramsey had their best games for us in ages. Thong especially, dislike the tool but credit, he broke up play in second half and was industrious. Ramsey got involved. Arteta hid imo. He hides.rigsby wrote:I think if you took him out of our side you would see what he brings. He was part of the midfield that completley overran Chelsea, breaking up play and giving it to Ramsey to break forward.
No one is talking about Arteta's contribution to that J-Thug goal. Absolute disgrace and he should be fined for it.
Right lets talk about it then. Yes, it was neglectful what he did. OK you've highlighted that he made a mistake. He certainly isn't perfect.Babatunde wrote:Disagree. I actually think Alex Thong and Ramsey had their best games for us in ages. Thong especially, dislike the tool but credit, he broke up play in second half and was industrious. Ramsey got involved. Arteta hid imo. He hides.rigsby wrote:I think if you took him out of our side you would see what he brings. He was part of the midfield that completley overran Chelsea, breaking up play and giving it to Ramsey to break forward.
No one is talking about Arteta's contribution to that J-Thug goal. Absolute disgrace and he should be fined for it.
Lets fine Santos for giving the winger too much room for the cross for the first goal, and fine Mertesacker who at 6'6" let big fat Frank drift past and score a header. Lets double fine Santos for sloppily giving the ball away for the 3rd and then being brushed aside like a little girl by Lukaku.
Shall I highlight each and every mistake that Djourou, Song, Gibbs, Koscielny, Squillaci, Fabregas (yes darling boy in the Nou Camp) etc made for each goal we conceded over the past year or more. actually it would be a great way to reduce the wage bill
He made a mistake from a set play. The opposition scored a goal from it. What's new about that ? Name me a midfielder or defender in our side that hasn't at one stage made a woeful mistake in defending a set play please.
Stop hammering the guy
I see your point Rigsby, and I am nto being a pedant here but, Denilson was also part of the same midfield that tore Spuds to shreds at Shite Lane in the cup. He was also part of the same midfield that fought so valiantly to get a draw out of Barcelona at the Emirates.rigsby wrote:I think if you took him out of our side you would see what he brings. He was part of the midfield that completley overran Chelsea, breaking up play and giving it to Ramsey to break forward.
We took him out the side for the Nou Camp return and were humped 4-1.
You shouldn't have to take someone out of a side to se what he brings!
You don't need to take Rooney out the Manure side to realise how good he is.
You don't need to take Essien out the Chav side to realise how good he is.
You don't need to take Gerrard out the Pool side to realise how good he is.
The only way Arsenal would miss Arteta would be imo would be because the option behind him would be so average, you'd want him back. If you asked me to play Coquelin instead of Arteta then sure, I'd want Arteta back!
To an extent, I honestly think Arsenal miss Eboue. Serious. Hear me out.
If you ask me to play Carl Jenkinson, or have Eboue back then I'd welcome Eboue back with open arms.
It's the same kinda theorem except, we realise how much we miss Eboue because the guy that's replaced him is soooo pony!
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Absolutely 100% agree. Have people forgotten just what a useless wanker Eboue was. Perhaps its all the muppets who used to wear his T-shirt and laugh and clap as another 'cross' sailed 20 yards over the bar that are missing him so muchSE12red wrote:Eboue or Jenkinson ? A diving , cheating c**t who disgraced the shirt v a hard working , committed young player who will improve ?
As you rightly say, an out and out cheat as well. Can't be a hypocrite when I'm cursing the likes of Suarez rolling around like they've been shot
Nah mate, the sensible people never believed those stats for a second. His passing was mainly sideways or backwards, and if you always play safe like that, your stats will look great. Believe what you see with your own eyes and not what you read, mate!Babatunde wrote:It's very interesting to note certain people slating Denilson and claiming how they always knew he wasn't good enough. I pray do tell: when Denilson was according to OPTA stats, the most successful passing midfielder in the league for over six months, were you all saying he was rubbish? I somehow doubt it.
Funny thing is though Baba, if you're saying you find it hard to believe people thought he was rubbish when his stats were good, then that suggests you were one of the poor souls who got well and truly taken in by it all!
Baba knows!
By the way, ask DB10 about stats.... he bloody loves 'em!
Our midfield battered the chavs last sat with arteta playing a disciplined role in the middle allowing Ramsey a free role I accually think our midfield is starting to look very good even better than last year when Wiltshire comes back or u never know we spend a bit of cash on a creative midfielder I say we would have the 2nd best in the premiership .
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I see exactly what you're saying but denilson did start that game.Babatunde wrote:I see your point Rigsby, and I am nto being a pedant here but, Denilson was also part of the same midfield that tore Spuds to shreds at Shite Lane in the cup. He was also part of the same midfield that fought so valiantly to get a draw out of Barcelona at the Emirates.rigsby wrote:I think if you took him out of our side you would see what he brings. He was part of the midfield that completley overran Chelsea, breaking up play and giving it to Ramsey to break forward.
We took him out the side for the Nou Camp return and were humped 4-1.
You shouldn't have to take someone out of a side to se what he brings!
You don't need to take Rooney out the Manure side to realise how good he is.
You don't need to take Essien out the Chav side to realise how good he is.
You don't need to take Gerrard out the Pool side to realise how good he is.
The only way Arsenal would miss Arteta would be imo would be because the option behind him would be so average, you'd want him back. If you asked me to play Coquelin instead of Arteta then sure, I'd want Arteta back!
To an extent, I honestly think Arsenal miss Eboue. Serious. Hear me out.
If you ask me to play Carl Jenkinson, or have Eboue back then I'd welcome Eboue back with open arms.
It's the same kinda theorem except, we realise how much we miss Eboue because the guy that's replaced him is soooo pony!
