Players behaviour after the Stoke match!

[OneBardGooner]

And yet, you will still gormlessly hand over your hard earned monies to fund this arrogant clique of dilettante ballerinas, and then ask yourself why they act like this
If Tesco keep selling you vacuum-packed excrement, and dress it up as fillet mignon, and you happily pay them more and more each year to eah shite, don't be surprised if the Tesco fat cats laugh at you mockingly....

So your having a go at people who went up to support on Sunday?
Like DB10 said above, its the club that means more than anything - not so much the indivduals - are you suggesting we dont support them anymore? If not, what are you suggesting?

Walcott i think is out the door - might explain his reaction - he has no interest - pulled out of every 50/50 on Sunday and has the look of a man on his todd - im f**cking delighted!!!
As for the players, its modern football im afraid - i think Arsenal do do a lot for the fans, more than other clubs....but manners cost nothing eh? Anyone who goes up to Stoke (and has to suffer the necessary injections) deserves credit - from fans and players alike?

Who is 'having a go'? A tad sensitive dontcha think? What do I suggest?
I suggest that 'supporting' your club becomes harmful to a point when said club begins taking the mickey out of you.
Not paying insane money to watch mediocrity does not make you less of a 'fan', it makes you economically sensible.
Of course fans who travel far and wide should be admired for perseverance but then again: like I said, if you knowingly hand over Tesco £70 for what you know to be a bag of shite, don't write a letter of complaint that your food stank; because you knew what you were getting when you paid.

It's funny because ppl often defend Arsenal's disgusting corporate model by claiming 'football is a business'.

Ok I can accept that.
Therefore, as a business, any given 'consumer' has a duty to exercise their statutory rights and if this means that the product on offer is not in keeping with the vageries of the market, that consumer has every right to cease their custom and use that cash allocation where better spent.

If 'football is a business', then don't expect anything approaching sympathy or emotional recognition from corporate egotists money-grabbing mercenaries like Wenger, Walcott et al.

I could actually agree with you IF you were to add a large number of names to the end of your comment...players from scum, manure $hitty, the toon....chavs, victims et al....they all have players who conduct themselves in that fashion...and as many have pointed out - sadly It has more or less become the norm for people who have everything - A job they enjoy doing - even those who do it badly - money beyond most people's reach....they're adored by many, treated as being (demi) gods, molly coddled etc...and in a sense are another version of Rock/Film Stars....who also act like tis.... all a bunch of *word censored* really....

Alas you only focus on Arsenal players and staff...I think the problem is far more wide spread...But hey don't let the truth get in the way of you slagging off the club, it's players and staff - a club you claim to support, yet seem intent on insulting at every opportunity.

When are you going to focus your bile, vitriolic and rancid comments on other clubs? or is that too much to expect?

[LeGinge (Northern Branch)]

I waited outside highbury every Saturday for months and never once saw an arsenal player, but then I realised we moved grounds

[UTU The Arsenal]

After the game I was waiting at Stoke-on-Trent station for the train back to civilized society when a full 9 carriage Virgin train pulled up to take the players back to London (a service which cost me £50 for a seat later that day) while AFC would rather spend the money on hiring a whole train for 30-40 staff instead of just a few carriages.

Anyway, there was a line of 3 or 4 police officers separating the fans from the players which meant this was the perfect opportunity for the fans to interact with the players/staff. As Theo walked out on the platform the crowd started chanting his name to which his reaction was to stare at the floor not even bat an eyelid and jump on the train (he wasn't even wearing headphones). Mugged off. This was the common reaction apart from Jenkinson, The Ox and Mertesacker who all waved and responded to whatever the crowd said usually with a thanks. AW simply raised his hand in the air and didn't even look at us.

Now I know you might say that the players are under no obligation to interact or to show some form of gratitude for the support they receive but after paying £40 for a ticket and £80 on travel, to see the majority of the players simply ignore us made me think whats the point? Travelling half the length of the country to support them when they cant even be bothered to look at us or applaud back when they are only a few feet away. So what am I supporting? A bunch of over-paid out of touch idiots? If AW had simply said thanks for your support today to the 20 or so of us standing by the train I would at least have felt our support was being acknowledged. What am I travelling up to Liverpool next weekend for? Why am I spending a grand on a season ticket? I have never felt so out of touch with the club I've supported for 20 years.

You are supporting a very successfull Business Model that makes Billionaries and Millionaries even Richer

I have followed The Arsenal for over 3 decades, been a Ball Boy at Highbury and watched over us home and away, over land and sea. Me and a few mates bumpted into Charlie Geogre and Sammy Nelson a few years ago outside the spacebowl , they were happy to talk to us and have photos taken with them. Sammy was surprized we recognised him.


I go to the odd away game with a few mates and have a laugh but I don't feel a conection with Arsenal players that I did feel 20 or even 5 years ago. Remember when the likes Ian Wright, Tony Adams, Rocastle, Thomas, Richardson, Brady, Sammy Nelson, David O'leary, Alan Sunderland, Smugder, Bergkamp and Perry Groves played for us you could relate them as people, they respected and acklowledgedd the Fans too


The Arsenal Football Club died along time ago, we are just a Business today that happens to do football. Premier Footballers are like movie stars and are multi millionaries by the time they reach their early 20 (s) even if they are average.

Who knows one day a Football Club might awaken again over The Arsenal, theres allways hope

[UTU The Arsenal]

After the game I was waiting at Stoke-on-Trent station for the train back to civilized society when a full 9 carriage Virgin train pulled up to take the players back to London (a service which cost me £50 for a seat later that day) while AFC would rather spend the money on hiring a whole train for 30-40 staff instead of just a few carriages.

Anyway, there was a line of 3 or 4 police officers separating the fans from the players which meant this was the perfect opportunity for the fans to interact with the players/staff. As Theo walked out on the platform the crowd started chanting his name to which his reaction was to stare at the floor not even bat an eyelid and jump on the train (he wasn't even wearing headphones). Mugged off. This was the common reaction apart from Jenkinson, The Ox and Mertesacker who all waved and responded to whatever the crowd said usually with a thanks. AW simply raised his hand in the air and didn't even look at us.

Now I know you might say that the players are under no obligation to interact or to show some form of gratitude for the support they receive but after paying £40 for a ticket and £80 on travel, to see the majority of the players simply ignore us made me think whats the point? Travelling half the length of the country to support them when they cant even be bothered to look at us or applaud back when they are only a few feet away. So what am I supporting? A bunch of over-paid out of touch idiots? If AW had simply said thanks for your support today to the 20 or so of us standing by the train I would at least have felt our support was being acknowledged. What am I travelling up to Liverpool next weekend for? Why am I spending a grand on a season ticket? I have never felt so out of touch with the club I've supported for 20 years.

You are supporting a very successfull Business Model that makes Billionaries and Millionaries even Richer

I have followed The Arsenal for over 3 decades, been a Ball Boy at Highbury and watched over us home and away, over land and sea. Me and a few mates bumpted into Charlie Geogre and Sammy Nelson a few years ago outside the spacebowl , they were happy to talk to us and have photos taken with them. Sammy was surprized we recognised him.


I go to the odd away game with a few mates and have a laugh but I don't feel a conection with Arsenal players that I did feel 20 or even 5 years ago. Remember when the likes Ian Wright, Tony Adams, Rocastle, Thomas, Richardson, Brady, Sammy Nelson, David O'leary, Alan Sunderland, Smugder, Bergkamp and Perry Groves played for us you could relate them as people, they respected and acklowledgedd the Fans too


The Arsenal Football Club died along time ago, we are just a Business today that happens to do football. Premier Footballers are like movie stars and are multi millionaries by the time they reach their early 20 (s) even if they are average.

Who knows one day a Football Club might awaken again over The Arsenal, theres allways hope

[augie]

I wouldn't have said hello to you either............your way too needy

[Babatunde]

And yet, you will still gormlessly hand over your hard earned monies to fund this arrogant clique of dilettante ballerinas, and then ask yourself why they act like this
If Tesco keep selling you vacuum-packed excrement, and dress it up as fillet mignon, and you happily pay them more and more each year to eah shite, don't be surprised if the Tesco fat cats laugh at you mockingly....

So your having a go at people who went up to support on Sunday?
Like DB10 said above, its the club that means more than anything - not so much the indivduals - are you suggesting we dont support them anymore? If not, what are you suggesting?

Walcott i think is out the door - might explain his reaction - he has no interest - pulled out of every 50/50 on Sunday and has the look of a man on his todd - im f**cking delighted!!!
As for the players, its modern football im afraid - i think Arsenal do do a lot for the fans, more than other clubs....but manners cost nothing eh? Anyone who goes up to Stoke (and has to suffer the necessary injections) deserves credit - from fans and players alike?

Who is 'having a go'? A tad sensitive dontcha think? What do I suggest?
I suggest that 'supporting' your club becomes harmful to a point when said club begins taking the mickey out of you.
Not paying insane money to watch mediocrity does not make you less of a 'fan', it makes you economically sensible.
Of course fans who travel far and wide should be admired for perseverance but then again: like I said, if you knowingly hand over Tesco £70 for what you know to be a bag of shite, don't write a letter of complaint that your food stank; because you knew what you were getting when you paid.

It's funny because ppl often defend Arsenal's disgusting corporate model by claiming 'football is a business'.

Ok I can accept that.
Therefore, as a business, any given 'consumer' has a duty to exercise their statutory rights and if this means that the product on offer is not in keeping with the vageries of the market, that consumer has every right to cease their custom and use that cash allocation where better spent.

If 'football is a business', then don't expect anything approaching sympathy or emotional recognition from corporate egotists money-grabbing mercenaries like Wenger, Walcott et al.

I could actually agree with you IF you were to add a large number of names to the end of your comment...players from scum, manure $hitty, the toon....chavs, victims et al....they all have players who conduct themselves in that fashion...and as many have pointed out - sadly It has more or less become the norm for people who have everything - A job they enjoy doing - even those who do it badly - money beyond most people's reach....they're adored by many, treated as being (demi) gods, molly coddled etc...and in a sense are another version of Rock/Film Stars....who also act like tis.... all a bunch of *word censored* really....

Alas you only focus on Arsenal players and staff...I think the problem is far more wide spread...But hey don't let the truth get in the way of you slagging off the club, it's players and staff - a club you claim to support, yet seem intent on insulting at every opportunity.

When are you going to focus your bile, vitriolic and rancid comments on other clubs? or is that too much to expect?

I know it's weird but I prefer to focus on Arsenal here.
I think you will also find that Arsenal fans are charged more than any other fan in world football - so comparisons with other teams just won't do, as Arsenal are by far getting the worst deal of any fans: a manager who is unsackable depsite being nigh on incompetent, an owner who shows such little regard for the club he owns that he doesn't even bother to seem interested, an owner who trousers dosh but invests absolutely nothing (unlike other foreign owners who all invest), a club that is unique in using the transfer market to make additional profits!

So excuse me but though your point on all footballers being runts stands,, I think you will find that clubs like ManYoo, Chelski, Spuds etc at least pretend t give a shit what their fans think.
Oh and most other clubs actually go into every season with the expectation of competing for the biggest trophies, according to their resources.

Arsenal and their fans make excuses in advance every year, which would explain why people are STILL trumpeting the 'success' of last season (one in which Arsenal won stuff all, finished 19 pts off the top, were humiliated in Europe by a weak AC Milan team, humbled at Sunderland in the cup and lost 8-2 at OT)

[1989]

Sad to read that. Unfortunately the club is full of mercenaries who don't give a flying fuck about the fans.

Credit to Jenkinson, Ox and Per though, who are real gooners. Need more players like them and the passion may return.

I think Per should have been named our captain but that's another topic altogether.

IMO some don't help themselves by singing these *word censored* names as well. I mean, who the fuck thought it would be a good idea to shout "Theo! Theo!" at Walnut? He's shit and played with no commitment whatsoever after coming on. Absolute wanker. Get rid fast.

[Gunnersaurus]

Quite happy to hear Walcott blanked you and looked glum, that is a big sign that he's off.

Good news.

Do you look forward to replacing Walcott with Gervinho? Because that's what'll happen. Dream on if yuo think AW will give 'the Ox' a chance.

Fans seemed to be glad Alex Song was gone - and whilst I think Song is rubbish also, who has he been replaced with?
Diaby. Nuff said.

Fans also seemed desperate to see the back of Clichy. He was 'a liability'.
Who has he been replaced with? Fat Santos.

Nasri was apparently a 'one season wonder' bla bla. 'better off without'.
WHo did we get to play on the wing instead?
Gervinho.

RVP was nothing but a mercenary etc.
WHo has he been replaced with?
GIROUD

Is the message becoming clearer? That cash will be banked and Arsenal will have even fewer options. Just like Song: Walcott is crap but the alternative doesn't bear thinking about.

If Walcott was replaced with Gervinho it wouldn't phase me as both are shit but one certainly doesn't deserve 100k week so I could just about stomach the other.

I would be extra happy if you got replaced though.

Ps. Since Alex Mong has left we have kept 2 clean sheets and looked more solid with Diaby in there so while he may also be shit he is less shit than the Mong.

[QuartzGooner]

I think Wenger strongly prefers the players to be in a bubble and have no contact with fans except at official meet-and-greets or in their leisure time.

Personally I do not agree with this for after games, though I understand if he wants the players isolated in the hours building up to a game.

I have witnessed first hand club officials throwing a wobbly because fans would be able to talk to players after a game, on an away trip where transport was shared.

It was all so uneccessary, as some fans did not go up to payers, and most others just wanted to shake hands and say hi rather than having full blown conversations.

I have seen many players after games happy to talk to fans and sign autographs, have photos taken etc including Walcott who I have seen go out of his way to help fans and do unofficial charity requests; so whilst on this occasion I think all players should have at least waved and acknowledged the fans, and had a few words, it is not the way Walcott carries on all the time, far from it.

Who knows what is on a player's mind after a game, maybe they had a row with someone or were fed up with their performance and were in a mood?

[Dan_85]

I have witnessed first hand club officials throwing a wobbly because fans would be able to talk to players after a game, on an away trip where transport was shared.

The club is incredibly paranoid about fans coming into contact with the players, i've witnessed it close up. However I don't think this was so much the case before Wenger arrived. As has been mentioned, it's all part of him keeping the players in a bubble where he tells them all how great they are & nobody, fan or press, can do anything to upset them. Of course he's fine with the pre-arranged meets of course where the fans are kept at arm's length & all the questions are pre-submitted for vetting. Because these events show just how much the club is "connecting with the fans" don't ya know?!

It's all just pretty sad, really.

[_James_]

Sad to read that. Unfortunately the club is full of mercenaries who don't give a flying fuck about the fans.

Credit to Jenkinson, Ox and Per though, who are real gooners. Need more players like them and the passion may return.

I think Per should have been named our captain but that's another topic altogether.

IMO some don't help themselves by singing these *word censored* names as well. I mean, who the fuck thought it would be a good idea to shout "Theo! Theo!" at Walnut? He's shit and played with no commitment whatsoever after coming on. Absolute wanker. Get rid fast.

Is hard to make Per captain as he is probably not going to play every game when kolenchery comes back, but I think if you rest TV and Arteta then Per would be captain for that game. Though finding another choice for 3rd in line to be captain is hard.

[hugh jardon]

Once went up to Highbury during the week and was lucky enough to bump into Geordie Armstrong who I think would have happily chatted to us all day!

Same day also Wrighty was also fantastic and went well out of his way to make a big effort. Will never forget it.

On the flip side on the same day another big hero Alan Smith just brushed past us looking glum and just muttered "All right lads" which I thought at the time was disappointing. However shortly afterwards he had to retire through injury. Just goes to show who knows what's on their minds.

The players get so much abuse on this forum I can't blame them for not being scared to interact with fans!

[OneBardGooner]

Once went up to Highbury during the week and was lucky enough to bump into Geordie Armstrong who I think would have happily chatted to us all day!

Same day also Wrighty was also fantastic and went well out of his way to make a big effort. Will never forget it.

On the flip side on the same day another big hero Alan Smith just brushed past us looking glum and just muttered "All right lads" which I thought at the time was disappointing. However shortly afterwards he had to retire through injury. Just goes to show who knows what's on their minds.

The players get so much abuse on this forum I can't blame them for being scared to interact with fans!

WHAT! The Arsenal players read these threads/Posts etc

Well in THAT case:
Oi! Gervinho get that lobotomy finished and FUCK OFF will You!
Oi! Walcott ya Wimp FUCK OFF!
Djouro you inept waste of Space - Do One PLEASE!
Diaby You clueless twat FUCK OFF!
Flappy - look! Just...Just FUCK OFF! ASAP!
Arshavin to LAZY CRUNT just FUCK RIGHT OFF!



Come on Pers/The Ox/ Jack the Lad/ Arteta/Jenks/ Podsi/Giroud/ Cazorla/TV5/Kos/Sagna/Shez/ Coq/Frimps/ sick note!

We're With You All The Way!

[Herd]

Many years ago when the Arsenal played a team called Winterslag we were in the same Hotel as the players in maastrcicht .We sat drinking as the players went out to lunch , a few words were exchanged then one of the group shouts out to George Woods "ere George I'd buy you a drink but you'd fucking drop it ya *word censored* ' George laughed ,but Mr Howe was not amused and gave us a bollocking whilst Terry Neil Ushered them all away quickly !

[Robin_L]

Very interesting, it was the same players who acknowledged the fans after the game - The Ox, Mertesacker, Gibbs to a certain extent Ramsey - and also Walcott though I have to say.

Always pisses me off when the entire team don't come over, especially if the result is anything other than a beating, in which case you could forgive them for just wanting to leave sharpish.

Agree entirely on Wenger's belief in reduced player contact. He must be scared stiff of potential fan abuse affecting the fragile mindset of his young charges. It's all stage managed now, see all that bullshit on Arsenal.com.