Hillsborough Report

[Perryashburtongroves]

Oh, well. This just rumbles on doesn't it. To be honest, most of the world is bored rigid by all this. Blah, blah, blah, The Sun, blah, blah, blah, justice, blah, blah, blah, Victims, blah, blah, blah, racist bastards, bananas at John Barnes, Luis Suarez, never our fault, just don't mention Heysel. Bored, move on and moan about something else, mousers.

[skipper]

...and some of you still have no shame

[Gunnersaurus]

PM David Cameron's speech in the House of Commons today

"Todays report is Black and White
The Liverpool fans were not the cause of the disaster
The panel found no evidence in support of allegations of exceptional levels of drunkness,ticketlessness or violence among Liverpool fans,no evidence that fans conspired to arrive late at the stadium and no evidence they stole from the dead"

He will say anything to be popular.

[augie]

PM David Cameron's speech in the House of Commons today

"Todays report is Black and White
The Liverpool fans were not the cause of the disaster
The panel found no evidence in support of allegations of exceptional levels of drunkness,ticketlessness or violence among Liverpool fans,no evidence that fans conspired to arrive late at the stadium and no evidence they stole from the dead"

And if this report didnt say that then there would have been another enquiry and another after that until the scousers got the verdict they wanted I would have a lot more sympathy with the scousers (not the families of course cos they totally have my sympathy) if they just came out and admitted that they played a big part in what happened that day and that led to the almighty balls up by the cops but in true scouse tradition they are always the victims and never the guilty party

Btw skizz_b, tv footage shown that night was time stamped and showed the world that they did indeed turn up late at the gates. This footage was shown before cover ups were instigated. I cannot understand how genuine scousers that survived that day have never came out and spoke about why that crush started Yes I know that they are all scousers but at the end of the day if it was a mate or relation of mine that died then I would want proper justice that see's all guilty parties held accountable

[flash gunner]

PM David Cameron's speech in the House of Commons today

"Todays report is Black and White
The Liverpool fans were not the cause of the disaster
The panel found no evidence in support of allegations of exceptional levels of drunkness,ticketlessness or violence among Liverpool fans,no evidence that fans conspired to arrive late at the stadium and no evidence they stole from the dead"

And if this report didnt say that then there would have been another enquiry and another after that until the scousers got the verdict they wanted I would have a lot more sympathy with the scousers (not the families of course cos they totally have my sympathy) if they just came out and admitted that they played a big part in what happened that day and that led to the almighty balls up by the cops but in true scouse tradition they are always the victims and never the guilty party

Btw skizz_b, tv footage shown that night was time stamped and showed the world that they did indeed turn up late at the gates. This footage was shown before cover ups were instigated. I cannot understand how genuine scousers that survived that day have never came out and spoke about why that crush started Yes I know that they are all scousers but at the end of the day if it was a mate or relation of mine that died then I would want proper justice that see's all guilty parties held accountable

Spot on augie every single word

[Perryashburtongroves]

PM David Cameron's speech in the House of Commons today

"Todays report is Black and White
The Liverpool fans were not the cause of the disaster
The panel found no evidence in support of allegations of exceptional levels of drunkness,ticketlessness or violence among Liverpool fans,no evidence that fans conspired to arrive late at the stadium and no evidence they stole from the dead"

And if this report didnt say that then there would have been another enquiry and another after that until the scousers got the verdict they wanted I would have a lot more sympathy with the scousers (not the families of course cos they totally have my sympathy) if they just came out and admitted that they played a big part in what happened that day and that led to the almighty balls up by the cops but in true scouse tradition they are always the victims and never the guilty party

Btw skizz_b, tv footage shown that night was time stamped and showed the world that they did indeed turn up late at the gates. This footage was shown before cover ups were instigated. I cannot understand how genuine scousers that survived that day have never came out and spoke about why that crush started Yes I know that they are all scousers but at the end of the day if it was a mate or relation of mine that died then I would want proper justice that see's all guilty parties held accountable

Spot on augie every single word

Yep. Sympathy for families and RIP for the deceased. Let's now have openness from the other side too. Let's now have Liverpool admit certain elements of their fans may have contributed by arriving late and pushing.But, please, let's now move on.

[northbank123]

Oh, well. This just rumbles on doesn't it. To be honest, most of the world is bored rigid by all this. Blah, blah, blah, The Sun, blah, blah, blah, justice, blah, blah, blah, Victims, blah, blah, blah, racist bastards, bananas at John Barnes, Luis Suarez, never our fault, just don't mention Heysel. Bored, move on and moan about something else, mousers.

Shhhhhhhhhh, you're not allowed to speak about that

God forbid if somebody might actually point out that despite obvious incompetence and scandalous mismanagement the South Yorks Police in no way "murdered" any Liverpool fans, what Liverpool fans did at Heysel was far closer to murder.

The continued protests etc over Hillsbrough (regardless of how justified they are) are ridiculous when Mousers continually just banish Heysel to a 'different era' and brush it under the carpet. How about convictions for the Liverpool fans who caused the deaths of innocent fans? How would they have received repeated demands from the Juve fans for enquiry and stringing up the fans responsible? Probably in the same way as when Michael Shields got banged up, crying out that they were again being victimised.

I wasn't around in the 1980s so I don't have first-hand experience of the hooliganism etc of that era, but I will say this: the stadium at Heysel may have been crumbling and the police made some shocking mistakes at Hillsbrough, but these stadiums and methods proved capable of holding hundreds of other fixtures that decade without problem. Did these incidents just coincidentally happen to involve Liverpool? In my view no, their fans were culpable in both events to varying degrees. BBC News have just showed footage of hundreds of Liverpool fans on that day pushing outside Hillsbrough and fans climbing over walls into the ground whilst declaring that the fans were doomed before they got there and the ground was a death trap.

That is not to say that I disagree with the families pursuing justice or the offenders being brought to punishment. I just completely don't accept that Liverpool fans can blindly bleat on about their repeated victimhood whilst ignoring the fans role in this and indeed at Heysel. Many fans were partly responsible for turning up late, without tickets and trying to force their way in regardless, and the fuckers tried to do it again at the CL final in Istanbul in 2005. Shameless.

[MutleyGooner]

I can sense a protest march.
I can sense another memorial
I can sense a day of remembrance
I can sense tribute t-shirts
I can sense a minutes silence
But most of all I can sense claims for compo

Where's there's blame, there's a claim.

23 years worth of dole money to claim back plus various other benefits is going to cost the Government a tidy sum

[Gunnersaurus]

Oh, well. This just rumbles on doesn't it. To be honest, most of the world is bored rigid by all this. Blah, blah, blah, The Sun, blah, blah, blah, justice, blah, blah, blah, Victims, blah, blah, blah, racist bastards, bananas at John Barnes, Luis Suarez, never our fault, just don't mention Heysel. Bored, move on and moan about something else, mousers.

Shhhhhhhhhh, you're not allowed to speak about that

God forbid if somebody might actually point out that despite obvious incompetence and scandalous mismanagement the South Yorks Police in no way "murdered" any Liverpool fans, what Liverpool fans did at Heysel was far closer to murder.

The continued protests etc over Hillsbrough (regardless of how justified they are) are ridiculous when Mousers continually just banish Heysel to a 'different era' and brush it under the carpet. How about convictions for the Liverpool fans who caused the deaths of innocent fans? How would they have received repeated demands from the Juve fans for enquiry and stringing up the fans responsible? Probably in the same way as when Michael Shields got banged up, crying out that they were again being victimised.

I wasn't around in the 1980s so I don't have first-hand experience of the hooliganism etc of that era, but I will say this: the stadium at Heysel may have been crumbling and the police made some shocking mistakes at Hillsbrough, but these stadiums and methods proved capable of holding hundreds of other fixtures that decade without problem. Did these incidents just coincidentally happen to involve Liverpool? In my view no, their fans were culpable in both events to varying degrees. BBC News have just showed footage of hundreds of Liverpool fans on that day pushing outside Hillsbrough and fans climbing over walls into the ground whilst declaring that the fans were doomed before they got there and the ground was a death trap.

That is not to say that I disagree with the families pursuing justice or the offenders being brought to punishment. I just completely don't accept that Liverpool fans can blindly bleat on about their repeated victimhood whilst ignoring the fans role in this and indeed at Heysel. Many fans were partly responsible for turning up late, without tickets and trying to force their way in regardless, and the fuckers tried to do it again at the CL final in Istanbul in 2005. Shameless.

Excellent post mate.

[Rosie_titters]

i just hope they can finally close this now, and let the 96 people RIP, i would feel sick and disgusted if any of the families did seek financial compo from this.

as someone else said you can't put a price on a human life, and this surely hasn't been about compo, just getting disclosure that Sheffield police fucked up

[LDB]

If there is one thing that all can agree on its that the Liverpool fans should not take all the blame and so the police cover-up and falsified statements is a massive story in itself. While it isn't surprising to most that the police look after their own its still something to have it exposed in such a public way.

I'm a bit on-the-fence when it comes to hillsborough tbh. What I'm most interested to know is

a) just how empty the other pens were
b) how easy it would have been to direct fans to these pens
c) how much of a crush was forming outside prior to opening the gates
d) how many fans were ticketless

I've read and watched an awful lot about hillsborough but I've never found definitive answers to these questions

[LDB]

Where I do lose patience with the scousers in all this is with this kind of crap that I just read on the guardian ( ) comments pages

the Sun's report was just one aspect of the right wing campaign of vilification of the city of liverpool and it's population at that time.

one that has had long term and lasting consequences

Do me a favour. There is no great anti-scouse conspiracy just a load of coppers trying to save their own skins. It might not have taken much for the politicians to believe that the fans were completely to blame but that is unsurprising given the state of football and perception of football fans (both deserved and undeserved) at the time. It would have been no different with any other club.

I dont think scousers can comprehend anything that isn't somehow Thatchers fault

[ClockEndNick]

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[augie]

Am absolutely gobsmacked by those who believe that this report will bring this whole sorry saga to an end - as sure as night follows day there will be an avalanche of claims going in now amid stories about "only way of holding people accountable" or how the name of scousers has been tarnished

[Bradywasking]

I am shocked at how far this report and Cameron's speech went today. Stupid question but is the full exonerating of Liverpool fans today just an attempt to end the whole sorry chapter ?. Was it a case of "look it wasn't your fault , we admit it, now forget it and move on "..? Obviously compensation claims etc will mean it's far from over.
I have deep sympathy for the victims and their families. I hope they get peace of mind and closure, but as a football fan I cannot help but think of Heysel. I cannot help but remember that horrid night and actually thinking to myself that football was finished, as a sport it had no future. I cannot help remembering the screams of people at Turin Airport as bodies arrived home. And whether they or the media like it or not that night in Brussels is as much part of Liverpool's history as that afternoon in Sheffield. I am not trying to sensationalize this, and I'm not even trying to link the two tragedys, but football fans went to Heysel and never went home. That was the fault of Liverpool supporters. Why are the Juventus dead
not just ignored but airbrushed from "acceptable thinking" ?
We all know that football was horribly different to attend then, every fan was a hooligan even if/when proved otherwise. The net result of today is that those that needed to be vindicated were vindicated, and maybe got a few others less deserving vindicated as well.