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LDB wrote:

Chippy wrote:http://m.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2 ... ut-welfare

Jim Royle talks about his life on benefits

Typical lefty stuff in there. Take an entirely rational policy aimed at making quite modest savings and blow it into a moral crusade. I'm surprised he didn't accuse the tories of trying to kill the poor, that's the usual the level of debate the nasty left operate at.

"Who else could have dreamed up the bedroom tax, a policy so stupid it forces people to leave their homes and drag themselves around the country in search of nonexistent one-bedroom flats?"

Doesn't force anybody to do anything you fat moron. If i wanted to rent an extra room in a private property it would cost me an extra 500 quid! When we've got massive queues for social housing it makes perfect sense to try to fill up the ones we have. This isn't the 90s anymore, things need to be rationalised and people need to drop their inflated sense of entitlement and get with the program.

Sorry chippy, dont mean to aim this at you personally but this stuff just winds me up after a couple of pints

Spot on and well said. Any time anyone tries to do or say anything that the socialists don't like they whine and moan about how life is so unfair and how the Tories, especially Mrs. Thatcher will always try to eradicate the poor. Always the same class war bollocks from these people who conveniently forget that their country has no money because their Labour scum bags blew it all on wars and dole.

LDB wrote:Out of curiosity how much do people think they could get away with spending on food?

When I was at uni (2-3 years ago) I used to batch cook chilli con carnes and spag bols and freeze a load. I worked it out as costing me about £1-£1.50 per meal. You've then got the added cost of rice/pasta which can't be much more then 10p per serving? I also picked up dirt cheap value range chopped tomatoes and turned them into decent enough pasta sauces by adding a bit of chilli powder or whatever was in the cupboard. Breakfast porridge's are cheap enough, banana's for fruit, dry noodles for lunch.

If I stopped eating out and drinking I could easily live on £53 quid a week and would probably be healthier

Heat? light? internet? phone? transport? clothes? shoes? haircut? toiletries? toilet paper?tea? coffee? bread? butter? etc etc etc

Perryashburtongroves wrote:

LDB wrote:

Chippy wrote:http://m.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2 ... ut-welfare

Jim Royle talks about his life on benefits

Typical lefty stuff in there. Take an entirely rational policy aimed at making quite modest savings and blow it into a moral crusade. I'm surprised he didn't accuse the tories of trying to kill the poor, that's the usual the level of debate the nasty left operate at.

"Who else could have dreamed up the bedroom tax, a policy so stupid it forces people to leave their homes and drag themselves around the country in search of nonexistent one-bedroom flats?"

Doesn't force anybody to do anything you fat moron. If i wanted to rent an extra room in a private property it would cost me an extra 500 quid! When we've got massive queues for social housing it makes perfect sense to try to fill up the ones we have. This isn't the 90s anymore, things need to be rationalised and people need to drop their inflated sense of entitlement and get with the program.

Sorry chippy, dont mean to aim this at you personally but this stuff just winds me up after a couple of pints

Spot on and well said. Any time anyone tries to do or say anything that the socialists don't like they whine and moan about how life is so unfair and how the Tories, especially Mrs. Thatcher will always try to eradicate the poor. Always the same class war bollocks from these people who conveniently forget that their country has no money because their Labour scum bags blew it all on wars and dole.

We have a policy that you should acknowledge when you quote someone else.

Osborne watched Chelsea play Manchester United on Monday. He saw John Terry, Frank Lampard, Fernando Torres, Robin Van Persie, Wayne Rooney and Eden Hazard do their stuff. The combined wages of these six players are a staggering £1,035,000 per week. These six players – on their wages alone, never mind other sources of income – were handed a tax break of roughly £2.5m next year by the very Chancellor applauding them vacuously. That is roughly 110 teachers; it is roughly 120 nurses; it is roughly 15,000 “spare bedroom subsidies”.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/20 ... -effective

Chippy wrote:

Perryashburtongroves wrote:

LDB wrote:

Chippy wrote:http://m.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2 ... ut-welfare

Jim Royle talks about his life on benefits

Typical lefty stuff in there. Take an entirely rational policy aimed at making quite modest savings and blow it into a moral crusade. I'm surprised he didn't accuse the tories of trying to kill the poor, that's the usual the level of debate the nasty left operate at.

"Who else could have dreamed up the bedroom tax, a policy so stupid it forces people to leave their homes and drag themselves around the country in search of nonexistent one-bedroom flats?"

Doesn't force anybody to do anything you fat moron. If i wanted to rent an extra room in a private property it would cost me an extra 500 quid! When we've got massive queues for social housing it makes perfect sense to try to fill up the ones we have. This isn't the 90s anymore, things need to be rationalised and people need to drop their inflated sense of entitlement and get with the program.

Sorry chippy, dont mean to aim this at you personally but this stuff just winds me up after a couple of pints

Spot on and well said. Any time anyone tries to do or say anything that the socialists don't like they whine and moan about how life is so unfair and how the Tories, especially Mrs. Thatcher will always try to eradicate the poor. Always the same class war bollocks from these people who conveniently forget that their country has no money because their Labour scum bags blew it all on wars and dole.

We have a policy that you should acknowledge when you quote someone else.

I don't understand. Quote who?

Perryashburtongroves wrote:

Chippy wrote:

Perryashburtongroves wrote:

LDB wrote:

Chippy wrote:http://m.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2 ... ut-welfare

Jim Royle talks about his life on benefits

Typical lefty stuff in there. Take an entirely rational policy aimed at making quite modest savings and blow it into a moral crusade. I'm surprised he didn't accuse the tories of trying to kill the poor, that's the usual the level of debate the nasty left operate at.

"Who else could have dreamed up the bedroom tax, a policy so stupid it forces people to leave their homes and drag themselves around the country in search of nonexistent one-bedroom flats?"

Doesn't force anybody to do anything you fat moron. If i wanted to rent an extra room in a private property it would cost me an extra 500 quid! When we've got massive queues for social housing it makes perfect sense to try to fill up the ones we have. This isn't the 90s anymore, things need to be rationalised and people need to drop their inflated sense of entitlement and get with the program.

Sorry chippy, dont mean to aim this at you personally but this stuff just winds me up after a couple of pints

Spot on and well said. Any time anyone tries to do or say anything that the socialists don't like they whine and moan about how life is so unfair and how the Tories, especially Mrs. Thatcher will always try to eradicate the poor. Always the same class war bollocks from these people who conveniently forget that their country has no money because their Labour scum bags blew it all on wars and dole.

We have a policy that you should acknowledge when you quote someone else.

I don't understand. Quote who?

Sorry I assumed this was a cut and paste from the Mail, Sun or Express. Is it not?

Sorry I assumed this was a cut and paste from the Mail, Sun or Express. Is it not?

No, it's straight from the Paulo DiCanio autobiography.

Chippy wrote:

LDB wrote:Out of curiosity how much do people think they could get away with spending on food?

When I was at uni (2-3 years ago) I used to batch cook chilli con carnes and spag bols and freeze a load. I worked it out as costing me about £1-£1.50 per meal. You've then got the added cost of rice/pasta which can't be much more then 10p per serving? I also picked up dirt cheap value range chopped tomatoes and turned them into decent enough pasta sauces by adding a bit of chilli powder or whatever was in the cupboard. Breakfast porridge's are cheap enough, banana's for fruit, dry noodles for lunch.

If I stopped eating out and drinking I could easily live on £53 quid a week and would probably be healthier

Heat? light? internet? phone? transport? clothes? shoes? haircut? toiletries? toilet paper?tea? coffee? bread? butter? etc etc etc

Single bloke living in a bedsit/studio in London.

Heat?
light?

£10 a week (I put £10 a week on my electric top up for a 3 bed house)

internet?

Luxury, naff orf

phone?

Luxury but if you must £10 a month PAYG, £2.50 a week. And even the most basic phone gets you on the net these days.

transport?

Half price oyster from the job centre, 70p a bus trip, £3 a week

clothes?
shoes?

£100 every 6 months. £4 a week

haircut?

£5 every 6 months. 30p a week

toiletries?
toilet paper?
tea?
coffee?
bread?
butter?

£25 all in on your weekly shop

All in £44.80 a week and enough left over for 4 tinnies on a Saturday night.

Now employed or unemployed I always buy my clothes when the shops have their 50% sales and every shop has these at least twice a year. Food shopping employed or unemployed, if you don't get the bargains/pick up the end of date stuff or cook in batches and freeze stuff eating the same meal twice a week you're not making the most of your money anyway. If you are searching for a job you can ring employers from the JC and send your CV through them.

As I've said previously, doing this for 6-9 months while having good prospects of getting a job isn't that daunting. Having to face years of it with shit job prospects, I don't really know what I'd be saying to be honest.

Chippy wrote:

LDB wrote:Out of curiosity how much do people think they could get away with spending on food?

When I was at uni (2-3 years ago) I used to batch cook chilli con carnes and spag bols and freeze a load. I worked it out as costing me about £1-£1.50 per meal. You've then got the added cost of rice/pasta which can't be much more then 10p per serving? I also picked up dirt cheap value range chopped tomatoes and turned them into decent enough pasta sauces by adding a bit of chilli powder or whatever was in the cupboard. Breakfast porridge's are cheap enough, banana's for fruit, dry noodles for lunch.

If I stopped eating out and drinking I could easily live on £53 quid a week and would probably be healthier

Heat? light? internet? phone? transport? clothes? shoes? haircut? toiletries? toilet paper?tea? coffee? bread? butter? etc etc etc

I thought bills (heat and light) were covered before the £53?

Internet you'd need to play the market and be prepared to switch but lets call that £20 a month, £5 a week. (That's what I pay for sky but fairly sure you can get cheaper. Edit: In fact I'm positive you can get cheaper because I remember plusnet and talktalk being quite a bit cheaper then sky)

Phone I have a pay-as-you-go nokia something that costs me about 10 quid top-up every other month (400 free text with every top-up). Lets call that £1.75 per week.

Not sure how many transport expenses you'd have without a job? Get a bus or walk/cycle.

Clothes - basic t-shirts from Primark are dirt cheap.

Plenty of cheap shoe shops. If, like me, you wear through cheap shoes really quickly then buy some £1.50 insoles from superdrug or wherever and they last for ages.

The costs of haircuts depend on the individual, there is usually somebody in most families who's a dab hand at shaving hair. Helps if you're a bloke I admit.

So lets call all that £4 per day food (being generous), £28 food, £5 internet, £2 phone = £35.

£18 left per week for everything else. Doable.

Number 5 wrote:

Chippy wrote:

LDB wrote:Out of curiosity how much do people think they could get away with spending on food?

When I was at uni (2-3 years ago) I used to batch cook chilli con carnes and spag bols and freeze a load. I worked it out as costing me about £1-£1.50 per meal. You've then got the added cost of rice/pasta which can't be much more then 10p per serving? I also picked up dirt cheap value range chopped tomatoes and turned them into decent enough pasta sauces by adding a bit of chilli powder or whatever was in the cupboard. Breakfast porridge's are cheap enough, banana's for fruit, dry noodles for lunch.

If I stopped eating out and drinking I could easily live on £53 quid a week and would probably be healthier

Heat? light? internet? phone? transport? clothes? shoes? haircut? toiletries? toilet paper?tea? coffee? bread? butter? etc etc etc

Single bloke living in a bedsit/studio in London.

Heat?
light?

£10 a week (I put £10 a week on my electric top up for a 3 bed house)

internet?

Luxury, naff orf

phone?

Luxury but if you must £10 a month PAYG, £2.50 a week. And even the most basic phone gets you on the net these days.

transport?

Half price oyster from the job centre, 70p a bus trip, £3 a week

clothes?
shoes?

£100 every 6 months. £4 a week

haircut?

£5 every 6 months. 30p a week

toiletries?
toilet paper?
tea?
coffee?
bread?
butter?

£25 all in on your weekly shop

All in £44.80 a week and enough left over for 4 tinnies on a Saturday night.

Now employed or unemployed I always buy my clothes when the shops have their 50% sales and every shop has these at least twice a year. Food shopping employed or unemployed, if you don't get the bargains/pick up the end of date stuff or cook in batches and freeze stuff eating the same meal twice a week you're not making the most of your money anyway. If you are searching for a job you can ring employers from the JC and send your CV through them.

As I've said previously, doing this for 6-9 months while having good prospects of getting a job isn't that daunting. Having to face years of it with shit job prospects, I don't really know what I'd be saying to be honest.

You haven't bought any food, and internet is not a luxury. Universal Credit can only be claimed on line, "cos everyone can do that these days!" (try telling my 89 yo mother in law). Also left out of my list Council Tax and Bedroom tax. So keep going.

Also, how do you pay for the phone, computer, washing machine, TV etc?

Chippy wrote:Also, how do you pay for the phone, computer, washing machine, TV etc?

If you really have none of those things to begin with then you're best looking for second hand stuff, most people are just glad to be getting rid of it.

LDB wrote:

Chippy wrote:Also, how do you pay for the phone, computer, washing machine, TV etc?

If you really have none of those things to begin with then you're best looking for second hand stuff, most people are just glad to be getting rid of it.

Seriously?

Chippy wrote:

LDB wrote:

Chippy wrote:Also, how do you pay for the phone, computer, washing machine, TV etc?

If you really have none of those things to begin with then you're best looking for second hand stuff, most people are just glad to be getting rid of it.

Seriously?

Sure, plenty of my family and friends are always trying to get rid of old televisions and computers. Heck, I've got two old computers sitting in my garage that anyone who asked could have off me for free.