Mancini Sacked

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you think Mancini should have been kept on?

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Brady's left peg wrote:Three and a half years........ One Premier league title and one FA cup = Sacked.
Eight years.......... Win fuck all = New contract. knowing our fucking board! :banghead: :banghead:
Yep. :( :|

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I often get pulled up for ignoring 'questions' that I thought were just statements
how about you DB10 - do you think Mancini should have been retained?

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highburyJD wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:
highburyJD wrote:consecutive seasons of embarrassment in the CL hurt his rep big time
he's never done well in that competition
:rubchin:

We've been here before JD. :lol:

Define "well".

Because I would say Wenger hasn't done well in that competition either. One final in 17 years? With the players he's had, the size of the club, the money wasted on wages?
my definition of "never done well" is Mancini getting to the quarters once in his managerial career
and failing to get out of the groups twice with HalfaBillion£Citeh

I don't remember the group they were in last season, but this seasons group that they were in was fucking immense, we would have been lucky to get 4 points from it imo.

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season before was also tough - but if they wanted they could have signed any and every Ajax, Dortmund or Napoli player

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highburyJD wrote:I often get pulled up for ignoring 'questions' that I thought were just statements
how about you DB10 - do you think Mancini should have been retained?
Yes, I do. I would say that a PL and an FA cup over a 3 season period would entitle him to a bit longer at the helm. As much as I want Wenger gone I've never been one for the rotating manager's door approach. A manager cannot build a really long term successful team in one or two seasons. Similarly EVERY manager has a shelf life at a club. Wenger passed his in 2010 for me, but had been going downhill steadily since January 2008 when he failed to strengthen a team that should/could have won the PL.

The "quality" of Man-kini's style of football is a different issue for me. GG's style was (apart from 1991) boring, defensive and negative. But it was successful. Man-kini is similar. What would you choose? Attractive but unsuccessful football, or boring trophy laden success? Sure, in a perfect world (1998 - 2004 8) ) you have both but if I had to choose then it's trophies for me everytime.

Of course we don't know what went on behind the scenes at Citeh. Maybe he pissed the owner off in a personal way?

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pissed off the owner in a PUBLIC way - spent £50M more, on HALFABILLION Citeh!
then complained about a lack of investment

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highburyJD wrote:pissed off the owner in a PUBLIC way - spent £50M more, on HALFABILLION Citeh!
then complained about a lack of investment
For me, that alone wouldn't be enough to warrant the sack. Managers and owners have "frank exchanges of opinion" in public all the time, doesn't always lead to the sack. I'd say either they had a nasty private falling out on a personality level, or the owner has Billionaire Gangster Syndrome like the fuckface at the chavs;

"I am a billionaire. I can have anything I want. I want the CL. I want it NOW. You are sacked. Get me a manager to win me the CL in his first season. And a 6 armed, hermaphrodite with a taste for anal."

Either way, it may be that the owner's petty spoiled bastard outlook had some part in it.... :rubchin:

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you're right, that would not have been a good enough reason (but was very public not personal)
I just think they can do better - Mancini's sides are dull, and he (consequently?) struggles to win CL games

not unreasonable to expect a little excitement when providing a limitless budget

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Gus poyet has been suspended by Brighton according to sky sources rumours on twitter he tried to resign this morning but it was rejected also rumoured he was approached by an unnamed club.twitter rumours suggest jol is to leave Fulham

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DB10 the underlying problem for me once you strip all the indiscipline and whining away is that they appear to have peaked under Mancini in the first half of last season and haven't showed any signs whatsoever of getting anywhere near that level. It's like they've been on an 16-month hangover.

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Was away earlier in the week so missed this thread until now but I will stick my head out and say that there is no way mancini should have been sacked. His failure to progress from the group stages of the champs league should be put into context as it was the first time ever that 4 teams who had won their domestic leagues were drawn in a group together and two of those teams went to the semi's with dortmund getting to the final 8)

There is no point referring to the 50m he spent this season - it is well accepted that rodwell and sinclair were not his choices plus he was very public back in august of the need for them to bring in some new quality to maintain their position at the top. That he didnt get those buys isnt down to him and it probably played a major part in their lack of a genuine challenge this season.

Lately people are referring a lot to the rights and wrongs of a manager criticising his players but for me there are no set rules in place for this - however it has to be said that when your keeper starts to believe the hype about himself and starts making basic mistakes whilst making a complete tit of himself by "starring" in some shampoo ad then mancini would be absolutely 100% correct in slating the guy and questioning him in public

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augie wrote:Was away earlier in the week so missed this thread until now but I will stick my head out and say that there is no way mancini should have been sacked. His failure to progress from the group stages of the champs league should be put into context as it was the first time ever that 4 teams who had won their domestic leagues were drawn in a group together and two of those teams went to the semi's with dortmund getting to the final 8)

There is no point referring to the 50m he spent this season - it is well accepted that rodwell and sinclair were not his choices plus he was very public back in august of the need for them to bring in some new quality to maintain their position at the top. That he didnt get those buys isnt down to him and it probably played a major part in their lack of a genuine challenge this season.

Lately people are referring a lot to the rights and wrongs of a manager criticising his players but for me there are no set rules in place for this - however it has to be said that when your keeper starts to believe the hype about himself and starts making basic mistakes whilst making a complete tit of himself by "starring" in some shampoo ad then mancini would be absolutely 100% correct in slating the guy and questioning him in public
Hart has had a shit season - he seems to lack focus and I think it's really hampering him. I'm not averse to Mancini giving him a bit of stick - no point pretending Hart has been playing well when asked about it because he hasn't.

But given they have another keeper who (as far as I recall) has been impressive in his limited opportunities, surely dropping Hart would send a better, stronger and more meaningful message?

No wonder the squad lacks motivation when he lacks bottle to drop players like Hart.

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Cant disagree with you there nb 8)

I feel sorry for mancini tbh and think that they should have stuck with him - he was my only hope that manure and chavs domination in recent seasons was about to end :(

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augie wrote:Was away earlier in the week so missed this thread until now but I will stick my head out and say that there is no way mancini should have been sacked. His failure to progress from the group stages of the champs league should be put into context as it was the first time ever that 4 teams who had won their domestic leagues were drawn in a group together and two of those teams went to the semi's with dortmund getting to the final 8)

There is no point referring to the 50m he spent this season - it is well accepted that rodwell and sinclair were not his choices plus he was very public back in august of the need for them to bring in some new quality to maintain their position at the top. That he didnt get those buys isnt down to him and it probably played a major part in their lack of a genuine challenge this season.

Lately people are referring a lot to the rights and wrongs of a manager criticising his players but for me there are no set rules in place for this - however it has to be said that when your keeper starts to believe the hype about himself and starts making basic mistakes whilst making a complete tit of himself by "starring" in some shampoo ad then mancini would be absolutely 100% correct in slating the guy and questioning him in public
Agree regarding the Champions League it was no disgrace to fail to qualify from that group. I think his sacking was a bit harsh but when it was announced, the statement said about his failure to achieve agreed targets. I suppose in today's harsh footballing climate we shouldn't be surprised at anything. :?

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