Arsene Wenger is a 'SPECIALIST IN FAILURE- Jose Mourinho

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Trevheff wrote:I'm certainly no Wenger sympathiser, quite the opposite with every passing game as it happens. And following our new found financial footing, failure to invest heavily in the squad now carries no defence.

But to try and compare Arsenal v Chelsea in the period 2005-2012 and not consider the different financial positions of the clubs is ignorant and stupid if trying to make a serious argument. Mourinho was not only thrown a bottomless transfer kitty when he arrived in 2004 but Chelsea had the market to themselves. The Arabs, PSG, Monaco etc were not on the scene. By contrast, not only did Arsenal not have that bottomless pit they went in the opposite direction and had to pay for the stadium move. Whatever lines we were spun by the Board at the time about the immediate benefits of leaving Highbury, it is fact. Chelsea could and did spend like mad and buy the best players in the world, we were on a shoe string by comparison and had to sell the best players in the world.

Had Mourinho been at Arsenal 2005 - 2012 would he had have won the same number of trophies as he has at Chelsea? No. Would he have won more than Wenger? Possibly. Probably. But the point is Arsenal v Chelsea in that 7/8 year period was not an even playing field so it's a stupid comparison.

But all that said, Wenger can no longer spin the money line. He no longer has that excuse.

And I also agree that this silly verbal jousting is all manufactured by the press and the egos of the managers is too big not to walk into the trap.

Very good post, agree 100%

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That word censored chav manager has got it spot on, it's about time someone directly came out and told the truth.
Wenger has no defence!

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Well said, Mourinho, 100 pct correct, I now hate Wenger with a burning passion, I don't enjoy going to The Arsenal anymore and it's all the fault of the smug, arrogant, greedy loser that we still have in charge, he should have gone 5 years ago whilst I still had a small modicum of respect for him. The day that he finally goes will be one of the happiest of my life!

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what a little bitch mourinho is. he's right , but christ :lol:

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Bendtners Drinking Buddy wrote:
Its easy winning titles when you have $80m $90m to spend.
How much did Jose's Porto spend when they won the CL in 2004? A competition Wenger has continually failed in

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Let's not all forget that Wenger is also a specialist in failure against Mourihno since 2004. 10 years without a win in 10 meetings. What a double specialist he is!!!

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Bendtners Drinking Buddy wrote:If your worried what that C**t says - he has won.

Its easy winning titles when you have $80m $90m to spend.

Wenger is a man of values and integrity - we can all disagree and debate any point of Arsenal, but you cannot deny that what that man has overseen in his time at the club is nothing short of phenomenal. Has he stayed too long? Could he have done better? All point s for debate.

Has he been good for Arsenal football club? Does he want the best for the club? Not even in question - the man deserves the respect of very single Arsenal fan no matter how you see the future of our club.

Where were Chelsea before Roman? Would Jose have gone to Chelsea if they had been in a postion like Arsenals in 1996?

We could all win the premier league as a manager with hundreds of millions to spend every year.


I don't want to be seen as a guy that is defending moaninho cos I hate the arrogant portugese c*nt with a vengeance BUT I still cant agree with a few of your points -

1. Respect is, or at least should, be a 2 way street - wenker treats the fans with contempt when it suits him (the "30 years in football" remark was one of the most crass and dismissive remarks I have ever heard from a manager to the fans) so what right has he to expect to be treated with respect in return ?

2. Value's and integrity I cannot agree with it - this is a manager who has continually trousered mega wages whilst winning fcuk all but at the same time he has the cheek to preach to us from his pulpit about socialist wage structures ? If he had value's and integrity then why doesn't he structure his contract for lower basic wages and bigger bonuses ? Does he honestly believe that he is doing a good job still ? Money shouldn't be an issue with him so given the ongoing failures, I think that he has cheek (not integrity) to continue to take wages like that from our club.

3. Easy to win trophies with 80m-90m absolutely but I think that the brummies, wigan and Swansea have shown that it can be done on modest to non existent transfer budgets :roll: FFS Bradford beat us and got to the final last season even though our income from 1 match probably exceeds their full season's income :oops:

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VoiceOfReason wrote:
kiwomya wrote:If the club's actual aim was to win the league every season then Wenger wouldn't still be in charge.
Did the club ever consult the fans about this 'not wanting to win the league' thing? Because I'm pretty sure I may have missed it.
I expect it goes without saying that the fans want to win the league. Doesn't every football fan? That's not going to change how they run the club, though. Not now.

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spendsum4uckingmoney wrote:TBF blame has to go to the awful scouts. Was it Keown/Adams who convinced AW not to sign Bale? Then of course there was the Cole 55k a week travesty. There has and still is incompetency all around the club. I blame:

The board,
AW,
The scouts,
The physios,
pretty much everyone in administration is to blame for the 10 years.

I would never point the finger and say "it's all him". Everyone takes blame IMO.
You have a huge and valid point,if there was just 1 person at the club who wasn't like the Churchill dog when Lord Wenger speaks then we might not be so fucking content with mediocrity,from the top to the bottom the cult of Arsene is like a cancer at the bowl,it needs removing but I cannot see it for the foreseeable future. :banghead: :banghead:

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defleppardisking wrote:Let's not all forget that Wenger is also a specialist in failure against Mourihno since 2004. 10 years without a win in 10 meetings. What a double specialist he is!!!
Failure? that's shows HUGE consistency!! :cussing: :cussing: :cussing: :cussing:

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donaldo wrote:
Bendtners Drinking Buddy wrote:
Its easy winning titles when you have $80m $90m to spend.
How much did Jose's Porto spend when they won the CL in 2004? A competition Wenger has continually failed in
And they faced a Man Utd team in transition, Lyon, Deportivo and Monaco on their route to the final, finishing second in their group. They only scraped through the United tie due to a wrongly disallowed goal and last minute winner. He was fortunate to have such an easy run, had they come up against one of the European heavy weights (dare I say Arsenal) it is highly unlikely they would have won it.

If Mourinho truly is a tactical genius why did he fail to get to a single CL final with Madrid or Chelsea?

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What a shock it is to see the WOBs creaming themselves over Mourinho, probably their pin-up manager. Loathsome 8)

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trustno10 wrote:
donaldo wrote:
Bendtners Drinking Buddy wrote:
Its easy winning titles when you have $80m $90m to spend.
How much did Jose's Porto spend when they won the CL in 2004? A competition Wenger has continually failed in
And they faced a Man Utd team in transition, Lyon, Deportivo and Monaco on their route to the final, finishing second in their group. They only scraped through the United tie due to a wrongly disallowed goal and last minute winner. He was fortunate to have such an easy run, had they come up against one of the European heavy weights (dare I say Arsenal) it is highly unlikely they would have won it.

If Mourinho truly is a tactical genius why did he fail to get to a single CL final with Madrid or Chelsea?
This season sums up Wenger's failures in Europe for me. No one could touch us in the league yet we still bottled it against the Chavs. It was ours for the taking that season :cussing: (Although Mourinho would probably still have given Wenger a taste of things to come by out thinking him in the final)

That European campaign still rankles even more than the 2006 final

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I detest Mourinho and his pikey club but,sad to say, hard to argue with him on this.

No ''top'' club would continue to pay a fortune to a manager who has won nothing for longer than my daughters have been born...they are 8 this summer. Enough said

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No Argument on maureen's comments, hit the nail on the head but he and his pikey russian club are still a bunch of ass!!!

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