If You Could Choose CL or Prem Title

[rodders999]

Anyone who reckons the European cup has been devalued because Roman bought it for the chavs would do best not to read up on how Real Madrid were bankrolled to win their 10.

[augie]

Have no time for the money argument. We cant compete with Chelsea and City. All to often used as an excuse by Wenger and his supporters fo underachieving.

If Chelsea have devalued the CL surely they have devalued the Prem too? And the FA Cup? And every other competition with their dirrrrrrrrty money. We should just play sunday league now. Surely it cant be tainted by new money.

Build a bridge lads and get over it. Its far from perfect and sometimes quite shit but lets not get all snobish and aloof about it. Until we win it we are not up there with Europes elite where we should be.

All I was saying was that I wanted us to be the first London team to win it and it was the fact that they had won it, and not how they won it, that has pissed me off My only reference to money in this debate was when I referred to the fact that our club is only interested in gaining money from the champs league and not actually winning it

[officepest]

The day those Blue *word censored* won it (with Di Matteo FFS) was the day my interest in winning the EC waned somewhat. It is far too depressing to contemplate that Wenger, despite his dozens of attempts, has failed again and again in Europe.

I'd take a league title; it has been over a decade after all. I can continue the long wait for the EC.

Does this make me a *word censored*?

[augie]

The day those Blue *word censored* won it (with Di Matteo FFS) was the day my interest in winning the EC waned somewhat. It is far too depressing to contemplate that Wenger, despite his dozens of attempts, has failed again and again in Europe.

I'd take a league title; it has been over a decade after all. I can continue the long wait for the EC.

Does this make me a *word censored*?

Only in the eyes of some

[Clash]

Even with the old format, Brain Clough said the league title was the priority:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd8wKQo2M6U

(if you listen to the whole thing, there are some interesting comments from him in that interview about football on TV ... I wonder what he would make of Sky, MOTD and their tedious analysis these days)

[QuartzGooner]

Great post by G88ner.

Not having won the CL is a burden.

Once we have won it, then let's go and win the Premier League as much as we can, chase down Man Utd's record number of wins, try and win it four times in a row to show consistency, but my personal opinion is that as a club we NEED to win the Champions League to enhance our status and bring up up to par with our domestic rivals.

In what way quartz ? Do you think that we will stop selling our best players every time a rich club comes a knocking ? Do you believe that the mentality of the club will change and that aiming for top 4 will no longer suffice ? Do you believe that it will put us on a par with the elite clubs when it comes to battling for the top players ?
You refer how winning it will bring us on a par with our domestic rivals, but the reality is that the only reason anyone would view the chavs and citeeh as being above us because of their wealth, and nobody in the world would see us as a team that is beneath the victims

I don't know who you work with but I meet Chelsea fans in work and realistically the ONLY thing they can get over on us that means anything to me is that they have won the Champions League.
I do not want them having that over us.

And in spite of Liverpool's failure to win the domestic league for over 20 years, plenty of people regard Liverpool as a team with more status than us.

[SteveO 35]

The day those Blue *word censored* won it (with Di Matteo FFS) was the day my interest in winning the EC waned somewhat. It is far too depressing to contemplate that Wenger, despite his dozens of attempts, has failed again and again in Europe.

I'd take a league title; it has been over a decade after all. I can continue the long wait for the EC.

Does this make me a *word censored*?

It doesn't make you anything mate....but by the same token the Russki has bought them several league titles, so is the PL equally devalued due to that? Not really

Of course I agree about them winning the CL - alongside the 8-2 defeat at United, it is undoubtedly the stand out most depressing moment in football for me.

Once the wig wearing c.unt fucks off and takes the imposter of a CEO and underachieving manager with him I'll look forward to the days where I got excited by both competitions. Until then, its the League Cup and FA Cup for me every time because they are all about the fans and the chance of winning a cup, without the commercial hype and bloated prize money associated with failure in the other 2 competitions

[officepest]

The day those Blue *word censored* won it (with Di Matteo FFS) was the day my interest in winning the EC waned somewhat. It is far too depressing to contemplate that Wenger, despite his dozens of attempts, has failed again and again in Europe.

I'd take a league title; it has been over a decade after all. I can continue the long wait for the EC.

Does this make me a *word censored*?

It doesn't make you anything mate....but by the same token the Russki has bought them several league titles, so is the PL equally devalued due to that? Not really

Of course I agree about them winning the CL - alongside the 8-2 defeat at United, it is undoubtedly the stand out most depressing moment in football for me.

Once the wig wearing c.unt fucks off and takes the imposter of a CEO and underachieving manager with him I'll look forward to the days where I got excited by both competitions. Until then, its the League Cup and FA Cup for me every time because they are all about the fans and the chance of winning a cup, without the commercial hype and bloated prize money associated with failure in the other 2 competitions

It's not that it's been devalued as such; it's just that we had a golden opportunity to win it in '04 (less so in '06, if that makes sense?) and blew it. Of course I'd want to win a major European trophy, but I have long since given up on the idea due to Wenger's general incompetence.

The part highlighted is actually really depressing - we are really fucked as long as Kroenke remains in situ - because he won't get rid of the manager and also he won't get rid of himself.

[wilko49er]

League title any day. CL s a load of bollocks, money making rubbish. How can any team that doesnt win their own league be part of a competition that refers too "champions" This competition lost its credibility when they got rid of the European cup knock out format. Bring it back i say, and get rid of the CL bollocks.

[Clash]

League title any day. CL s a load of bollocks, money making rubbish. How can any team that doesnt win their own league be part of a competition that refers too "champions" This competition lost its credibility when they got rid of the European cup knock out format. Bring it back i say, and get rid of the CL bollocks.

Here Here (or is it Hear Hear ? I've never been sure)

The CL is a replacement for the European Cup as far as I see it ... it is NOT the same competition because the whole thing works in a totally different way. Liverpool have 4 EC's and 1 CL ( not 5 )

The exact opposite of this often happens with the league where the PL is talked abouut as a separate competition to the old first division ... even though as far as it works it hasn't actually changed at all.

[SteveO 35]

UEFA could help to make the thing more exciting of course (even with the top 4 clubs in from some countries) by abandoning the boring Group and having an open draw in the same way that we do here for the FA Cup. Also do away with this shit that you can't play a team from your own country until the quarter finals.....have them drawn against each other from the start if that's the way it comes out of the hat

Of course it won't happen because they won't want Barcelona v Real Madrid in the second round, and they won't want BATE or Astana being able to make it to the quarter finals to upset the cosy club elite.

With two legged knockouts from the start and an open draw I think the whole thing would be so much more exciting and make it easier to love the competition again

[QuartzGooner]

UEFA could help to make the thing more exciting of course by abandoning the boring Group and having an open draw in the same way that we do here for the FA Cup.

Of course it won't happen because they won't want Barcelona v Real Madrid in the second round, and they won't want BATE or Astana being able to make it to the quarter finals to upset the cosy club elite.

The clubs want the group stage too.
Six Champions League games gate receipts, plus TV money, plus sponsorship and corporate hospitality guarantees a lucrative payday even if a team fails to make it out of the group.

[SteveO 35]

UEFA could help to make the thing more exciting of course by abandoning the boring Group and having an open draw in the same way that we do here for the FA Cup.

Of course it won't happen because they won't want Barcelona v Real Madrid in the second round, and they won't want BATE or Astana being able to make it to the quarter finals to upset the cosy club elite.

The clubs want the group stage too.
Six Champions League games gate receipts, plus TV money, plus sponsorship and corporate hospitality guarantees a lucrative payday even if a team fails to make it out of the group.

Well of course they do, that much is obvious. I fail to see why that naturally translates into the governing body bowing to all of their demands though.

[QuartzGooner]

UEFA could help to make the thing more exciting of course by abandoning the boring Group and having an open draw in the same way that we do here for the FA Cup.

Of course it won't happen because they won't want Barcelona v Real Madrid in the second round, and they won't want BATE or Astana being able to make it to the quarter finals to upset the cosy club elite.

The clubs want the group stage too.
Six Champions League games gate receipts, plus TV money, plus sponsorship and corporate hospitality guarantees a lucrative payday even if a team fails to make it out of the group.

Well of course they do, that much is obvious. I fail to see why that naturally translates into the governing body bowing to all of their demands though.

Because in 2003 the G-14 clubs threatened to break from UEFA and set up their own European super league.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/200 ... ry.sport17

[SteveO 35]

UEFA could help to make the thing more exciting of course by abandoning the boring Group and having an open draw in the same way that we do here for the FA Cup.

Of course it won't happen because they won't want Barcelona v Real Madrid in the second round, and they won't want BATE or Astana being able to make it to the quarter finals to upset the cosy club elite.

The clubs want the group stage too.
Six Champions League games gate receipts, plus TV money, plus sponsorship and corporate hospitality guarantees a lucrative payday even if a team fails to make it out of the group.

Well of course they do, that much is obvious. I fail to see why that naturally translates into the governing body bowing to all of their demands though.

Because in 2003 the G-14 clubs threatened to break from UEFA and set up their own European super league.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/200 ... ry.sport17

Yep, sad but true. Exactly the reason why FFP was doomed from the outset too because the minute any of the elite clubs threatened to walk away UEFA would back straight down