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Ed Hunter The Gooner wrote:And also, good keepers needs always good defence. Keeper and defence line should always have 100% confidence to each others and I don't think they have that at Arsenal right now.
Excellent point...don't think Cech trust Gabriel and Koscielny but seems more secure when BFG plays. If we're going to rely on Cech then Wenger should make a cheeky bid for Cahill. I'd like to see Chambers given a chance alongside Cahill. Kos isn't gonna get much better than he currently is, and Gabriel seriously panics too much, and is easily bullied into making mistakes.
If Cech isn't gonna be our no.1 make a double swoop for Forster and van Dyke.
Doesn't Gabriel remind you of Kos a few seasons back who had a few klangers in him a season? Personally for me BFG's lack of pace gets exposed time and time again in the prem. I suspect Chambers will get exposed unless he can tackle in the same way as an Adams or Bould. I suspect he can't.
I'm not sure if Gabriel has any redeemable characteristics that would make me think that he will be good enough in the future I would actually go so far as to say that he would be the first centre back out the door if it was my decision
Ed Hunter The Gooner wrote:And also, good keepers needs always good defence. Keeper and defence line should always have 100% confidence to each others and I don't think they have that at Arsenal right now.
Excellent point...don't think Cech trust Gabriel and Koscielny but seems more secure when BFG plays. If we're going to rely on Cech then Wenger should make a cheeky bid for Cahill. I'd like to see Chambers given a chance alongside Cahill. Kos isn't gonna get much better than he currently is, and Gabriel seriously panics too much, and is easily bullied into making mistakes.
If Cech isn't gonna be our no.1 make a double swoop for Forster and van Dyke.
Doesn't Gabriel remind you of Kos a few seasons back who had a few klangers in him a season? Personally for me BFG's lack of pace gets exposed time and time again in the prem. I suspect Chambers will get exposed unless he can tackle in the same way as an Adams or Bould. I suspect he can't.
I'm not sure if Gabriel has any redeemable characteristics that would make me think that he will be good enough in the future I would actually go so far as to say that he would be the first centre back out the door if it was my decision
Really, ahead of BFG? A few seasons ago we wrote monreal off and he came good. I will give gabriel one more season before I make my mind up.
CBs are those who take longest to adapt - look at Vidic for example, or as mentioned Koscielny who albeit still prone to plenty of fuck-ups is infinitely better than 4 or 5 years ago.
That said Gabriel looks off the pace and his judgement scares the hell out of me. Not worth persisting with imo and only gets an easier ride from some because he's not BFG.
Ed Hunter The Gooner wrote:And also, good keepers needs always good defence. Keeper and defence line should always have 100% confidence to each others and I don't think they have that at Arsenal right now.
Excellent point...don't think Cech trust Gabriel and Koscielny but seems more secure when BFG plays. If we're going to rely on Cech then Wenger should make a cheeky bid for Cahill. I'd like to see Chambers given a chance alongside Cahill. Kos isn't gonna get much better than he currently is, and Gabriel seriously panics too much, and is easily bullied into making mistakes.
If Cech isn't gonna be our no.1 make a double swoop for Forster and van Dyke.
Doesn't Gabriel remind you of Kos a few seasons back who had a few klangers in him a season? Personally for me BFG's lack of pace gets exposed time and time again in the prem. I suspect Chambers will get exposed unless he can tackle in the same way as an Adams or Bould. I suspect he can't.
I'm not sure if Gabriel has any redeemable characteristics that would make me think that he will be good enough in the future I would actually go so far as to say that he would be the first centre back out the door if it was my decision
Really, ahead of BFG? A few seasons ago we wrote monreal off and he came good. I will give gabriel one more season before I make my mind up.
The BFG's pace and turning power have regressed hugely since he joined us (hard to believe I know ), but he reads the game exceptionally well and Gabriel seems unable to do that - the goal he conceded at Norwich was down to basic lack of defensive awareness and that instinct is not something that you can teach imo
Especially CB's and keeper should communicate all the time during the match and regarding BFG/Gabriel doesn't BFG speak quite good English while Gabriel doesn't speak English basically at all? To be able to communicate you'd expect to speak at least on some level same language. I think this is one of the reasons why Gabriel seems to be so lost.
Ed Hunter The Gooner wrote:Especially CB's and keeper should communicate all the time during the match and regarding BFG/Gabriel doesn't BFG speak quite good English while Gabriel doesn't speak English basically at all? To be able to communicate you'd expect to speak at least on some level same language. I think this is one of the reasons why Gabriel seems to be so lost.
I don't agree with that argument...the way Gabriel capitulated against Costa and Carroll wasn't down to not understanding English. All he needs to understand is "away", "ref!!!", "offside", "foul", "clear", "hold the line", "goal kick", "header" and "For Fucks Sake...Giroud/ Theo"...
No he doesn't remind me of Kos and the fact its been recognised that he has a mistake in him then surely that's a reason to get in someone who looks less likely to make a mistake and breed confidence in that defence.
Ed Hunter The Gooner wrote:Especially CB's and keeper should communicate all the time during the match and regarding BFG/Gabriel doesn't BFG speak quite good English while Gabriel doesn't speak English basically at all? To be able to communicate you'd expect to speak at least on some level same language. I think this is one of the reasons why Gabriel seems to be so lost.
I don't agree with that argument...the way Gabriel capitulated against Costa and Carroll wasn't down to not understanding English. All he needs to understand is "away", "ref!!!", "offside", "foul", "clear", "hold the line", "goal kick", "header" and "For Fucks Sake...Giroud/ Theo"...
No he doesn't remind me of Kos and the fact its been recognised that he has a mistake in him then surely that's a reason to get in someone who looks less likely to make a mistake and breed confidence in that defence.
What you mean the kos that cost us the worthless cup final in 2011. It wasn't like this was the only howler he made back in that time. Kolo Toure had a horrific season before he was a mainstay in the invincibles defence. Gabriel has all the attributes to become a good PL defender. Whether he will meet this potential we shall see.
To the earlier post about BFG losing pace. He didn't have any in the first place! BFG makes Giroud look quick.
Ed Hunter The Gooner wrote:Especially CB's and keeper should communicate all the time during the match and regarding BFG/Gabriel doesn't BFG speak quite good English while Gabriel doesn't speak English basically at all? To be able to communicate you'd expect to speak at least on some level same language. I think this is one of the reasons why Gabriel seems to be so lost.
I don't agree with that argument...the way Gabriel capitulated against Costa and Carroll wasn't down to not understanding English. All he needs to understand is "away", "ref!!!", "offside", "foul", "clear", "hold the line", "goal kick", "header" and "For Fucks Sake...Giroud/ Theo"...
No he doesn't remind me of Kos and the fact its been recognised that he has a mistake in him then surely that's a reason to get in someone who looks less likely to make a mistake and breed confidence in that defence.
Agreed but my point was that solid defence including the keeper requires good communication between them as well and I think they don't have that. I would also add "Fuck you Wenger for not coaching us properly" to Gabriel's vocabulary but that might be too complicated for him...
Ed Hunter The Gooner wrote:Especially CB's and keeper should communicate all the time during the match and regarding BFG/Gabriel doesn't BFG speak quite good English while Gabriel doesn't speak English basically at all? To be able to communicate you'd expect to speak at least on some level same language. I think this is one of the reasons why Gabriel seems to be so lost.
I don't agree with that argument...the way Gabriel capitulated against Costa and Carroll wasn't down to not understanding English. All he needs to understand is "away", "ref!!!", "offside", "foul", "clear", "hold the line", "goal kick", "header" and "For Fucks Sake...Giroud/ Theo"...
No he doesn't remind me of Kos and the fact its been recognised that he has a mistake in him then surely that's a reason to get in someone who looks less likely to make a mistake and breed confidence in that defence.
Agreed but my point was that solid defence including the keeper requires good communication between them as well and I think they don't have that. I would also add "Fuck you Wenger for not coaching us properly" to Gabriel's vocabulary but that might be too complicated for him...
Fuck is probably the only word he says that all the other players understand followed by the Spanish for "sliced it" "mis-hit it" "my 50p head" "bottled it"
Getting back to Cech, i openly admit i had reservations about him at the start of the season as did a few others and to be honest even though he has played well in some games i'm still not totally convinced by him.
He was touted as being worth 12-15 points a season but i just don't feel he is commanding enough for our leaky defence, maybe it's just me but our really successful keepers of recent years thinking Spunky and the Mad German just seemed to have more presence than Cech and did more talking and organising.
I know that under OGL communication is frowned upon but i'd like to see him get in the face of our defence a lot more and get them organised but i get the feeling he was lucky to have the racist chav organising in front of him at Cheatski.
This season has been a complete balls up in my opinion all over the pitch and in the dugout especially but i hope to see much improvement from him next season because so far i'm not totally convinced as yet
I would actually go so far as to say that he would be the first centre back out the door if it was my decision 
), but he reads the game exceptionally well and Gabriel seems unable to do that - the goal he conceded at Norwich was down to basic lack of defensive awareness and that instinct is not something that you can teach imo
