Toughest or easiest to win in years?

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StuartL wrote:
casgooner wrote:
MrT wrote:If we win the league after the biggest transfer window fuckup in history, with Wenger as manager, Giroud as our main striker and Flamini as our DM, I will run naked up and down Gillespie Road unironically shouting ''THERE'S ONLY ONE ARSENE WENGER''
I've got the video camera ready...
Oooooh kinky eh ?
:wink:
She's a dirty one stu, trust me :shock:

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Henry Norris 1913 wrote:
StuartL wrote:
casgooner wrote:
MrT wrote:If we win the league after the biggest transfer window fuckup in history, with Wenger as manager, Giroud as our main striker and Flamini as our DM, I will run naked up and down Gillespie Road unironically shouting ''THERE'S ONLY ONE ARSENE WENGER''
I've got the video camera ready...
Oooooh kinky eh ?
:wink:

She's a dirty one stu, trust me :shock:
Oh yeh, and how do you know? Anyway, somebody has to put it on YouTube... :lol:

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Leyton Gooner wrote:We are shite, they are shite. League is a great big pile of shite :barscarf:
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Robin_L wrote:Toughest to win in years.

You've got Bojan playing for Stoke, the likes of Mahrez happy to ply his trade at a club the size of Leicester. Payet at West Ham. Top quality players just happy to get their foot in the door and play in this league.

It's the toughest league in Europe and the toughest to win in years, nevermind about Chelsea falling away, it's about the fact that you have most teams in the league capable of taking points off anyone else.

So, toughest to win in years. Still, it's funny to read those people looking to get their anti-Wenger excuses formed nice and early just in case we do happen to win it :lol:
But the point is in terms of how hard it is to win the league, it doesn't really matter how good the mid table sides are! We all know that there are only ever going to be 3 or 4 teams capable of winning it so all that matters is the strength of them. If the likes of City or Chelsea were still picking up 90+ points then fair enough you could say it's tougher by having to pick up that many points to win the league and against better mid table opposition.

Strength of the mid table sides is irrelevant as they will also take more points off title contenders so no relative difference.

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northbank123 wrote:
Robin_L wrote:Toughest to win in years.

You've got Bojan playing for Stoke, the likes of Mahrez happy to ply his trade at a club the size of Leicester. Payet at West Ham. Top quality players just happy to get their foot in the door and play in this league.

It's the toughest league in Europe and the toughest to win in years, nevermind about Chelsea falling away, it's about the fact that you have most teams in the league capable of taking points off anyone else.

So, toughest to win in years. Still, it's funny to read those people looking to get their anti-Wenger excuses formed nice and early just in case we do happen to win it :lol:
But the point is in terms of how hard it is to win the league, it doesn't really matter how good the mid table sides are! We all know that there are only ever going to be 3 or 4 teams capable of winning it so all that matters is the strength of them. If the likes of City or Chelsea were still picking up 90+ points then fair enough you could say it's tougher by having to pick up that many points to win the league and against better mid table opposition.

Strength of the mid table sides is irrelevant as they will also take more points off title contenders so no relative difference.
Very interesting to read Robin L above saying Mahrez and Payet are Top quality players when on the Ozil post says the jury is still out

Sorry mate cannot take your post seriously, anyway thought Augie put this one to bed earlier :D

Merry Christmas ALL :barscarf:

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falkirk goon wrote:This is the easiest in years surely :rubchin: all of the other top sides are off the boil in one way or another.If we had a decent manager who would make the necessary signings in jan we would walk it,we dont and he wont though :( .If citeh get their finger out over the festive period and into the new yr it'll be theirs come may :cry:

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Easiest. :roll:

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we will be top by tomorrow night and Southampton will be a distant memory....

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This has got to be the toughest season to win the league. Any team can beat any other team, (apart from Villa). This shows the quality of teams in the league, it does not mean every team is rubbish, it means every team is more even than before. With the money in the game, not all the quality players will go to the traditional big 5 as they won't always play. We are so conditions to having one or two teams leading the way that when it doesn't happen it is interpreted as being a poor season. Its much better when the league is more competitive. This season will be decided on the quality of the manager, and right now Raneiri is showing his quality as a manager. When we done the double in 70/71 the same was being said then. In that season Leeds, Liverpool, were the leading teams but then Stoke and Derby were decent teams. There were some erratic results that season.
On the point that this team is a bunch of bottlers we bottled it in 1999 & 2003 when we had a team full of world class players who were defending champions...so I don't think that argument sits with this team. We can beat Bournemouth and still go top, so the Southampton game was a bit of a bye...it wont mean anything at the end of the season.

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In AKB HQ, this is the toughest to win in years. By saying this, it will help elevate Arsene to God status, should he somehow win it. (Which he won't) :roll: Similarly, should he fail, the excuse is at the ready.

SPURS are bang in the title race FFS. Their wage bill is half ours :shock:

Back on planet Reality, it's quite clearly the easiest to win, ever. Chavs in disarray, ManYoo are farcical, Citeh erratic. I can't ever recall a time when the big other 3 clubs were ALL this appalling. A team like Arsenal with their resources and wage bill should be swatting aside the rubbish and strolling it. Sadly as ever, Wenger's ineptitude is going to cost the club.

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Should be the easiest in years what with the other big teams so inconsistant, but with Wanker in charge we aint going to win it, getting a bit concerned with the scum this season, slowly going about their business and sneaking wins in the last minute, far too close for comfort

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Nos89 wrote:This has got to be the toughest season to win the league. Any team can beat any other team, (apart from Villa). This shows the quality of teams in the league, it does not mean every team is rubbish, it means every team is more even than before. With the money in the game, not all the quality players will go to the traditional big 5 as they won't always play. We are so conditions to having one or two teams leading the way that when it doesn't happen it is interpreted as being a poor season. Its much better when the league is more competitive. This season will be decided on the quality of the manager, and right now Raneiri is showing his quality as a manager. When we done the double in 70/71 the same was being said then. In that season Leeds, Liverpool, were the leading teams but then Stoke and Derby were decent teams. There were some erratic results that season.
On the point that this team is a bunch of bottlers we bottled it in 1999 & 2003 when we had a team full of world class players who were defending champions...so I don't think that argument sits with this team. We can beat Bournemouth and still go top, so the Southampton game was a bit of a bye...it wont mean anything at the end of the season.
Just because teams are beating other teams it doesn't follow that it's the toughest league to win. It's nonsense reasoning. If anything it suggests the opposite.

"Anybody can beat anybody" because the top sides are so poor. The Invincibles wouldn't be losing to Bournemouth or West Brom, Chelsea of 2005 & 2006 wouldn't get getting turned over against Watford and Sunderland, United of 2008 wouldn't find themselves sitting beneath Leicester come New Year. Those were the most difficult leagues to win because you had to be better than the Invincibles, better than Mourinho's Chelsea, better than Ronaldo's United. Damn fucking sight harder than being better than this half-arsed Man City side. Hence the Premier League dominating Europe for 5 years whereas now we're lucky to have anybody in the quarters of the CL.

To win the league you only need to be better than the next best team. That is the sole barometer of how difficult it is to win the league. The next best team - Man City - couldn't hold a candle to the better champions of the PL era. It doesn't really matter how good the likes of Stoke, Southampton etc are because 1) they're not going to win the league and 2) they will pose just as much problem for the other title contenders and take more points off them. Stronger mid-table sides will make it more difficult to get 85 points but at the end of the day 1 team has to win the league every year.

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After 18 games last season............
Chelsea - 45pts
Man City - 42pts
Man U - 35pts
Southampton - 32pts
West Ham - 31pts
Arsenal - 30pts

After 18 games thjs season......(before todays games)
Leicester - 38pts
Arsenal - 36pts
Man City - 35pts
Spurs - 32pts
Palace - 30pts
Man U - 29pts

So no Chelsea this season. Man U in turmoil right now and City quite inconsistent. (Bit like us really)
Its the standings at in May that count I know but interesting to hear views on whether its easier or harder to win after reading the different tables........ :rubchin:

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Nos89 wrote:This has got to be the toughest season to win the league. Any team can beat any other team, (apart from Villa). This shows the quality of teams in the league, it does not mean every team is rubbish, it means every team is more even than before. With the money in the game, not all the quality players will go to the traditional big 5 as they won't always play. We are so conditions to having one or two teams leading the way that when it doesn't happen it is interpreted as being a poor season. Its much better when the league is more competitive.

bollox

its shows the league as a whole has got worse. just look at european results

the big clubs are increasingly worse (our reason being the manger wont spend the money he has on a couple of signings that could have allowed us to walk the league in the past couple of seasons) chavs cos of cescs nasty little rebellion, city cos pellegrini has no control and united cos lvg is way past it and liverpool as rogers was only made to look good when he had suarez.

just because the money is washing around the league, it simply means english clubs are paying way over the odds for players. european clubs are quoting prices for english clubs and lower ones for european (at least according to gab marcotti)

people keep saying in the media good players are now playing for the lesser clubs as you have as they dont go tot he big 4 anymore as they wouldnt all play...ok well who are these player? a lot point to rondon and the ayew brothers, but all 3 look pretty crap. mahrez at leics is a michu. who else are these great imports tearing things up for the lesser clubs?

quality isnt coming to england its still going to spain and munich or staying put where it is. the english league continues to get worse as it has for the last few years.

im pleased in a way as hopefully european results will mean 4th place loses its cl place

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