The Giroud Question

[DB10GOONER]

Wow. There are some precious people on here! My comment about haters wasn't aimed at people that criticize Giroud (I do that ffs!) only at the ones that post abusive stuff and nonsensical rants about him, calling him "lazy" etc.

My opinion (often stated on here) is that Giroud is undoubtedly skillful but his lack of pace will always stop him being a top top class striker. He needs to play in a 4-4-2 with a top predatory striker beside him. I think we could get more out of him in a better system. The lone striker role in a 4-5-1 is one of the toughest roles in football and there are very very few strikers out there that can play it well. Giroud is not at that level.

Also whoever compared him to Smudger is totally missing the point; Smudge played as part of a 2 up front. Giroud plays as a lone striker in a shit 4-5-1. Smudge would have struggled as a lone striker.

Ultimately, I don't think we can win the league with Giroud as first choice striker in a 4-5-1. But there is also issues like Mertesacker and our too often inept manager that affect that as well.

Also, GranadaJoe, to say Kolo and co had Giroud in his pocket is ridiculous, mate. He won almost every header against both Mouser CH's. The problem is after he wins those headers the ball often falls to no one as we don't have anyone running in off those headers so we get not much benefit, but he still wins those headers.

[GranadaJoe]

Wow. There are some precious people on here! My comment about haters wasn't aimed at people that criticize Giroud (I do that ffs!) only at the ones that post abusive stuff and nonsensical rants about him, calling him "lazy" etc.

My opinion (often stated on here) is that Giroud is undoubtedly skillful but his lack of pace will always stop him being a top top class striker. He needs to play in a 4-4-2 with a top predatory striker beside him. I think we could get more out of him in a better system. The lone striker role in a 4-5-1 is one of the toughest roles in football and there are very very few strikers out there that can play it well. Giroud is not at that level.

Also whoever compared him to Smudger is totally missing the point; Smudge played as part of a 2 up front. Giroud plays as a lone striker in a shit 4-5-1. Smudge would have struggled as a lone striker.

Ultimately, I don't think we can win the league with Giroud as first choice striker in a 4-5-1. But there is also issues like Mertesacker and our too often inept manager that affect that as well.

Also, GranadaJoe, to say Kolo and co had Giroud in his pocket is ridiculous, mate. He won almost every header against both Mouser CH's. The problem is after he wins those headers the ball often falls to no one as we don't have anyone running in off those headers so we get not much benefit, but he still wins those headers.

I said 'during the first half hour'. If you can bear the agony, watch the game again. I posted a comment at the time.

Also, what did you think about him yesterday? What percentage of headers do you think he won?

[DB10GOONER]

Wow. There are some precious people on here! My comment about haters wasn't aimed at people that criticize Giroud (I do that ffs!) only at the ones that post abusive stuff and nonsensical rants about him, calling him "lazy" etc.

My opinion (often stated on here) is that Giroud is undoubtedly skillful but his lack of pace will always stop him being a top top class striker. He needs to play in a 4-4-2 with a top predatory striker beside him. I think we could get more out of him in a better system. The lone striker role in a 4-5-1 is one of the toughest roles in football and there are very very few strikers out there that can play it well. Giroud is not at that level.

Also whoever compared him to Smudger is totally missing the point; Smudge played as part of a 2 up front. Giroud plays as a lone striker in a shit 4-5-1. Smudge would have struggled as a lone striker.

Ultimately, I don't think we can win the league with Giroud as first choice striker in a 4-5-1. But there is also issues like Mertesacker and our too often inept manager that affect that as well.

Also, GranadaJoe, to say Kolo and co had Giroud in his pocket is ridiculous, mate. He won almost every header against both Mouser CH's. The problem is after he wins those headers the ball often falls to no one as we don't have anyone running in off those headers so we get not much benefit, but he still wins those headers.

I said 'during the first half hour'. If you can bear the agony, watch the game again. I posted a comment at the time.

Also, what did you think about him yesterday? What percentage of headers do you think he won?

Have to agree he was poor yesterday. Too often out-muscled by Shawcrunt from behind. I'd say he won about 50% of the headers at best. But that's typical Giroud; score a blinder one week, couldn't kick shit off a rope the next. But then, apart from Cech and Nacho, every single one of our players was poor yesterday and it was a game that was indicative of the often shit service our striker (Giroud/Welbeck/Theo/whoever) are forced to try and feed off if Ozil is not playing or if Ozil is having an anonymous one. Giroud was unlucky not to score the winner yesterday - only a brilliant save by the Orc keeper kept his header out. The one on one with the keeper was a bad miss but he did everything right with the header. Again though that's Giroud - no consistency, great one game, muck the next.

One thing I would add is he is our best defender at corners - maybe swap him and the Big German Coward??!!

[augie]

Wow. There are some precious people on here! My comment about haters wasn't aimed at people that criticize Giroud (I do that ffs!) only at the ones that post abusive stuff and nonsensical rants about him, calling him "lazy" etc.

My opinion (often stated on here) is that Giroud is undoubtedly skillful but his lack of pace will always stop him being a top top class striker. He needs to play in a 4-4-2 with a top predatory striker beside him. I think we could get more out of him in a better system. The lone striker role in a 4-5-1 is one of the toughest roles in football and there are very very few strikers out there that can play it well. Giroud is not at that level.

Also whoever compared him to Smudger is totally missing the point; Smudge played as part of a 2 up front. Giroud plays as a lone striker in a shit 4-5-1. Smudge would have struggled as a lone striker.

Ultimately, I don't think we can win the league with Giroud as first choice striker in a 4-5-1. But there is also issues like Mertesacker and our too often inept manager that affect that as well.

Also, GranadaJoe, to say Kolo and co had Giroud in his pocket is ridiculous, mate. He won almost every header against both Mouser CH's. The problem is after he wins those headers the ball often falls to no one as we don't have anyone running in off those headers so we get not much benefit, but he still wins those headers.

I said 'during the first half hour'. If you can bear the agony, watch the game again. I posted a comment at the time.

Also, what did you think about him yesterday? What percentage of headers do you think he won?

Have to agree he was poor yesterday. Too often out-muscled by Shawcrunt from behind. I'd say he won about 50% of the headers at best. But that's typical Giroud; score a blinder one week, couldn't kick shit off a rope the next. But then, apart from Cech and Nacho, every single one of our players was poor yesterday and it was a game that was indicative of the often shit service our striker (Giroud/Welbeck/Theo/whoever) are forced to try and feed off if Ozil is not playing or if Ozil is having an anonymous one. Giroud was unlucky not to score the winner yesterday - only a brilliant save by the Orc keeper kept his header out. The one on one with the keeper was a bad miss but he did everything right with the header. Again though that's Giroud - no consistency, great one game, muck the next.

One thing I would add is he is our best defender at corners - maybe swap him and the Big German Coward??!!

That is a point that is frequently made by Gooners and I do understand it, BUT at the same time that is no excuse for the dogshite performances turned in by wally and giroud yesterday - any team in the world would miss the creative talents of an ozil, but when that happens the other players should up their game to compensate for his loss instead of taking the week off In fact if we analyse things properly, we will see that more often than not it doesnt happen to make much difference to wally if ozil is there or not, cos most of the time he is averege/shit anyway People used to say that ozil's form was suffering for us when he had no-one to run onto his through balls, but sadly the reverse doesnt apply with wally cos he offers f.uck all most of the time anyway

[I Hate Hleb]

That is a point that is frequently made by Gooners and I do understand it, BUT at the same time that is no excuse for the dogshite performances turned in by wally and giroud yesterday - any team in the world would miss the creative talents of an ozil, but when that happens the other players should up their game to compensate for his loss instead of taking the week off In fact if we analyse things properly, we will see that more often than not it doesnt happen to make much difference to wally if ozil is there or not, cos most of the time he is averege/shit anyway People used to say that ozil's form was suffering for us when he had no-one to run onto his through balls, but sadly the reverse doesnt apply with wally cos he offers f.uck all most of the time anyway

Indeed, just as we did f'or the best part of 2 years!

[northbank123]

He was on a bit of a hiding for nothing yesterday. Any time he did manage to get to the ball first, somebody would go through the back of him. If he did get hold of it, there wasn't a lot of support.

Was a good header from the corner, forced a good save from Butland. Also could have had a penalty (well referee would never have given that but looked a foul).

Like he has throughout his Arsenal career though, he had one golden chance in front of goal and he fluffed it. It was early on so you can't exactly say it would have won us the game necessarily, but quite possibly another 2 points dropped that a clinical striker - the type that wins you titles - would have won us.

[StuartL]

Here's some goal stats for this season. Goals are excluding penalties.

Messi - 973 minutes, 8 goals = Goals per game 0.74

Aguero 981 mins, 8 goals = 0.73

Giroud 1407 mins, 11 goals = 0.70

Muller 1314 mins, 9 goals = 0.62

Griezmann 1681 mins, 10 goals = 0.54

Ronaldo, 1710 mins, 10 goals = 0.53

So the big man is really maxing out his potential in that company, right up there with the most effective strikers in European football. Can we sign any of the other 5 players on that list? No (I'd love Griezmann here). If we're looking at the next tier down in terms of fame / reputation then Batshuayi near tops the list and would be a cracking long term solution to replace Giroud. Until then, we're fine with Giroud, infact, we're going to win the league with Giroud.

Anybody caught Higuain's recent form ?

If I heard / remember correctly he has hit 2 goals 5 times in the last 7 matches.

[SteveO 35]

Here's some goal stats for this season. Goals are excluding penalties.

Messi - 973 minutes, 8 goals = Goals per game 0.74

Aguero 981 mins, 8 goals = 0.73

Giroud 1407 mins, 11 goals = 0.70

Muller 1314 mins, 9 goals = 0.62

Griezmann 1681 mins, 10 goals = 0.54

Ronaldo, 1710 mins, 10 goals = 0.53

So the big man is really maxing out his potential in that company, right up there with the most effective strikers in European football. Can we sign any of the other 5 players on that list? No (I'd love Griezmann here). If we're looking at the next tier down in terms of fame / reputation then Batshuayi near tops the list and would be a cracking long term solution to replace Giroud. Until then, we're fine with Giroud, infact, we're going to win the league with Giroud.

Anybody caught Higuain's recent form ?

If I heard / remember correctly he has hit 2 goals 5 times in the last 7 matches.

Higuain isn't coming

[OneBardGooner]

Not only is he more mobile than Le Lampost - But has a better sense of balance.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-36202503

[flash gunner]

Who?

[augie]

As has been said many times before, if giroud is the answer, then I'd love to know what the f.ucking question is

[Wilson]

Whats to discuss. He said before the start of the season, dont sign a new new striker. Wenger obliged (wrongfully). How has Giroud taken the chance. Well he has gone 15 games without scoring a goal, which coincided the the breakdown of our title challenge. Overall he has been outscored by around 6-7 strikers, and the likes Harry Kane have scored more than double the amount of goals scored by Giroud.

But whats incredulous, is Wenger is talking up Giroud, and referring to his mental strengh for going through a 'difficult period'. So because the fuk wit goes 3 months without a league goal (and counting), and manages to turn up to training everyday, it is evidence of his will power and 'mental strengh'. You could sign your nan, and she might go a year without scoring, and it wont be a sign of her mental strengh, it will be a sign she is a shit footballer. So when Giroud goes 3 months without scoring, its a sign he is an unmitigated disaster.

Yet Wenger keep coming out with these abhorrent analysis of our current plight. Is he trying to save face, or has he really confused shitness with mental strengh? Because from this, through Wenger's eyes, when you go through a horrid time form wise - its a positive (mental strengh), rather than a bad thing (poor form relates to poor results).

He is such a passive loser. He doesn't even pretend like he wants to win.

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

Here's some goal stats for this season. Goals are excluding penalties.

Messi - 973 minutes, 8 goals = Goals per game 0.74

Aguero 981 mins, 8 goals = 0.73

Giroud 1407 mins, 11 goals = 0.70

Muller 1314 mins, 9 goals = 0.62

Griezmann 1681 mins, 10 goals = 0.54

Ronaldo, 1710 mins, 10 goals = 0.53

So the big man is really maxing out his potential in that company, right up there with the most effective strikers in European football. Can we sign any of the other 5 players on that list? No (I'd love Griezmann here). If we're looking at the next tier down in terms of fame / reputation then Batshuayi near tops the list and would be a cracking long term solution to replace Giroud. Until then, we're fine with Giroud, infact, we're going to win the league with Giroud.

What year will that be

As a stats man can you let us know what his goals to game ratio is now and what other world class strikers have managed to keep up with him

[DB10GOONER]

As has been said many times before, if giroud is the answer, then I'd love to know what the f.ucking question is

Giroud is now the perfect example of what an inept manager who plays favourites can produce in a player. Like Ramsey, Giroud knows he doesn't have to deliver in the actual games, maybe just do a bit in training, drop some French in there and presto! Starts every game when fit.

Accordingly I now wonder does Wenger speak a bit of Welsh?

Giroud now doesn't even do the things I've defended him on - showing for every shit lumped ball, scrapping with CH's, winning headers when outnumbered, working hard, interlinking the play in and around the box. There is simply no defending his attitude and performances in the latter half of this season. He seriously needs to be dropped until he pulls his head out of his arse or be sold at this point. I don't mind a lazy fucker that scores regularly. Similarly I don't mind a hard worker who is off the goals but working their ass off to get back on form. But £100K a week to strut around doing fuck all and still not scoring? Fuck that.

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

As has been said many times before, if giroud is the answer, then I'd love to know what the f.ucking question is

Giroud is now the perfect example of what an inept manager who plays favourites can produce in a player. Like Ramsey, Giroud knows he doesn't have to deliver in the actual games, maybe just do a bit in training, drop some French in there and presto! Starts every game when fit.

Is this while wenger does a handstand