WHY MANURE ARE SO MUCH BETTER THAN ARSENAL

[I Hate Hleb]

[quote="Pancho"]ask yourselves..would you rather win the league at OT , considering that we are only relative rivals compared to spurs....

or would you rather win a HISTORIC TREBLE

or your first taste of european success

or back to back titles...quote]

PANCHO,

UNLIKE SOME, I ENJOY READING YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS ON HERE AS IT'S GOOD FUN. HOWEVER JUST TO CORRECT YOU ON A COUPLE OF THE ABOVE POINTS:

OUR FIRST TASTE OF EUROPEAN SUCCESS WAS IN 1969/70 SEASON WHEN WE ENDED UP WINNING THE FAIRS CUP (NOW EUFA). WE ALSO WON THE CUP WINNERS CUP IN 1994. FOR SURE IT'S NOT THE EUROPEAN CUP BUT IT DOES QUALIFY AS EUROPEAN SUCCESS.

YOU HAVE ALSO CLAIMED IN A FEW OF YOUR POSTS THAT ARSENAL HAVE NEVER WON BACK-TO-BACK TITLES. AGAIN YOU ARE MISTAKEN, UNLESS YOU'RE REFERING TO THE PREMIER LEAGUE YEARS ONLY.

FOR THE RECORD, ARSENAL WON BACK-TO-BACK TITLES MORE THAN 20 YEARS BEFORE MAN UNITED FIRST MANAGED IT. ARSENAL ALSO WON 3 TITLES IN A ROW MORE THAN 60 YEARS BEFORE MAN UNITED MANAGED IT!!

ANYWAY THE IMPORTANCE ATTACHED TO 'BACK-TO-BACK' TITLE WINS HAS ONLY SURFACED A COUPLE OR SO YEARS AGO WHEN FERGIE - PROBABLY JEALOUS OF AN ARSENAL SIDE TAKING A BIT OF THE SPOTLIGHT FROM HIM - CAME OUT AND SAID IT IN THE MEDIA. AS USUAL WITH THOSE SYCHOPHANTS, IT THEN BECAME THE NEW AXIOM/ADAGE OF FOOTBALL AND SOMETHING TO WHICH EVERY TEAMS ACHIEVEMENT MUST BE COMPARED.

SORRY, BUT I PERSONALLY THINK IT'S ABOUT WINNING THINGS IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME (AN ERA IF YOU LIKE), AND THAT YOU CAN BE A GREAT TEAM WITHOUT WINNING 2 TITLES IN SUCCESSION, ESPECIALLY IF YOU WIN OTHER TROPHIES AS WELL IN THAT PERIOD.

[augie]

I too like taking the piss out of paco cos it saves me leaving the comfort of my home or office to go looking for some manc to wind up
Mind you IHH it is bang out of order for you to mention all the titles we won in the past - anybody who knows anything will tell you that football didnt exist before sky & the premiership

[Pancho]

ask yourselves..would you rather win the league at OT , considering that we are only relative rivals compared to spurs....

or would you rather win a HISTORIC TREBLE

or your first taste of european success

or back to back titles...quote]

PANCHO,

UNLIKE SOME, I ENJOY READING YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS ON HERE AS IT'S GOOD FUN. HOWEVER JUST TO CORRECT YOU ON A COUPLE OF THE ABOVE POINTS:

OUR FIRST TASTE OF EUROPEAN SUCCESS WAS IN 1969/70 SEASON WHEN WE ENDED UP WINNING THE FAIRS CUP (NOW EUFA). WE ALSO WON THE CUP WINNERS CUP IN 1994. FOR SURE IT'S NOT THE EUROPEAN CUP BUT IT DOES QUALIFY AS EUROPEAN SUCCESS.

YOU HAVE ALSO CLAIMED IN A FEW OF YOUR POSTS THAT ARSENAL HAVE NEVER WON BACK-TO-BACK TITLES. AGAIN YOU ARE MISTAKEN, UNLESS YOU'RE REFERING TO THE PREMIER LEAGUE YEARS ONLY.

FOR THE RECORD, ARSENAL WON BACK-TO-BACK TITLES MORE THAN 20 YEARS BEFORE MAN UNITED FIRST MANAGED IT. ARSENAL ALSO WON 3 TITLES IN A ROW MORE THAN 60 YEARS BEFORE MAN UNITED MANAGED IT!!

ANYWAY THE IMPORTANCE ATTACHED TO 'BACK-TO-BACK' TITLE WINS HAS ONLY SURFACED A COUPLE OR SO YEARS AGO WHEN FERGIE - PROBABLY JEALOUS OF AN ARSENAL SIDE TAKING A BIT OF THE SPOTLIGHT FROM HIM - CAME OUT AND SAID IT IN THE MEDIA. AS USUAL WITH THOSE SYCHOPHANTS, IT THEN BECAME THE NEW AXIOM/ADAGE OF FOOTBALL AND SOMETHING TO WHICH EVERY TEAMS ACHIEVEMENT MUST BE COMPARED.

SORRY, BUT I PERSONALLY THINK IT'S ABOUT WINNING THINGS IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME (AN ERA IF YOU LIKE), AND THAT YOU CAN BE A GREAT TEAM WITHOUT WINNING 2 TITLES IN SUCCESSION, ESPECIALLY IF YOU WIN OTHER TROPHIES AS WELL IN THAT PERIOD.

context dear boy context... you obviuosley know arsenal better than I ..but I was refereing to the wenger era..

but if you want to expand to a more general context then muse on this ...without Matt busby having the balls to defy the FA, you wouldnt have had the opportunity to play in european competitions...


but I am happy to see that you enjoy my posts, you will notice that unlike the majority on here I dont lower myself to swathes of personal insults..my posts are either joclular, in defence of United, or to correct any misconceptions.. It is after all only a message board, I feel that some of your companions forget that.

[I Hate Hleb]

...context dear boy context... you obviuosley know arsenal better than I ..but I was refereing to the wenger era..

YOU SHOULD HAVE MADE THAT CLEAR IN YOUR POST RATHER THAN GENERALISING. BUT EVEN IN THAT CONTEXT, YOU HAVE TO ADMIT THAT WHAT WENGER HAS ACHIEVED WITH ARSENAL, SPENDING VERY LITTLE IN COMPARISON TO WHAT HIS COMPETITORS HAVE SPENT IN THE SAME PERIOD (MAN UTD, CHELSEA, LIVERPOOL, NEWCASTLE, SPURS TO NAME A FEW), IS NOTHING SHORT OF REMARKABLE AND PROVES WE HAVE A GENIUS AT THE HELM - REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT HE HAS WON BACK-TO-BACK TITLES OR EUROPEAN CUPS.

...but if you want to expand to a more general context then muse on this ...without Matt busby having the balls to defy the FA, you wouldnt have had the opportunity to play in european competitions...

AND IF IT WASN'T FOR ARSENAL'S HERBERT CHAPMAN, HOW MANY THINGS WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT? CHAPMAN'S INFLUENCE ON THE DEVELOPEMENT OF BRITISH FOOTBALL IS ALL PERVADING AND NO MAN CHANGED FOOTBALL MORE IN THE LAST CENTURY THAN HE DID:

HIS SCIENTIFIC APPROACH TO FOOTBALL TACTICS AND MEDICAL TREATMENT; FLOODLIGHTING; NUMBERED SHIRTS; THE 10 YARD SEMI-CIRCLE; THE FIRST MAN TO FLY HIS TEAM FOR MATCHES ABROAD (YOU SEE, ARSENAL WERE WORLD FAMOUS 20 ODD YEARS BEFORE YOU GUYS WERE! ).

CHAPMAN PUT MANAGERS IN THE PUBLIC EYE FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME AND HE WAS THE FIRST MANAGER TO MAKE HIMSELF RESPONSIBLE FOR TEAM SELELCTION. INDEED, YOUR VERY OWN SIR MATT BUSBY WHO WAS THE FIRST MANAGER AFTER CHAPMAN TO TAKE A COMMANDING ROLE IN HIS CLUB WROTE: "IN THOSE DAYS, THE MANAGER HAD THE TITLE BUT EVERYONE ELSE MADE THE DECISIONS."

I COULD GO ON BUT I THINK YOU SHOULD GET THE DRIFT!