Manc Logic

[donaldo71]

Those saying Mourinho will only be around for 3 years.So what?.Thats what modern management is about.Ancelotti and Pep two other great managers also move on after 3 years.No top manager stays in a job for a period of time these days. Jose Pep Ancelotti all CL winners.Our Specialist in failure reaches the last 16

The likes of Chelsea City and United dont hang around in getting rid of managers.We keep hold of a manager who last won anything of substance 12 years ago.

In the last year Arsenal didnt even try to replace Wenger with Pep Ancelotti Jose and Klopp.Just sums up our club.Happy to be also-rans

[DB10GOONER]

This idea that we are going to appoint someone after Wenger that is going to try and a build a dynasty simply isn't going to happen. Ferguscum was a one off in terms of long term success and changing managers every few years (at most) doesn't seem to hurt all the teams that have been winning major trophies since we last did.

Yeah, but who exactly are "all the teams that have been winning major trophies"? It's a tiny handful (or a "SPUDMASHER" ) of teams. The vast majority that play the revolving manager merry-go-round are not successful. I would say it's not about building a "dynasty", it's about bringing a manager in and giving them enough time to do what needs to be done to rebuild or develop a team.

Yes, have to agree with that. To give enough time if there is clear evidence that club is progressing and can genuinely compete is the right way to go, let it be 3 or 7 years or whatever.

I agree you need to provide a manager time to make an impact so you can assess whether they will progress the club, but there are people whose main reason for not appointing someone like Pep or Mourinho is they are unlikely to stick around for more than a few years. Obviously there are other reasons to not want Mourinho but I think it odd that him not generally staying for more than a few years is one of them. None of the top managers are hanging around at any clubs these days.

That's true. And tbh I'd agree that one thing that would no longer put me off a manager is whether he was going to hang around for long, because as you say most top managers don't anymore, that's the modern game. Right now we need Wenger out more than any other single change at the club. We need new ideas, new practices, new tactics (or just some tactics!), we need what a new manager would hopefully bring. We need him in right now and even if it is for only 2 or 3 seasons then fine. We need to break from Wenger and that might be difficult and painful for some and it might not necessarily be a success initially, but it needs to be done - we need to break out of this decade-long stagnation. We need this even more than we need a new owner and we really really need a new owner.

[Skooner]

This idea that we are going to appoint someone after Wenger that is going to try and a build a dynasty simply isn't going to happen. Ferguscum was a one off in terms of long term success and changing managers every few years (at most) doesn't seem to hurt all the teams that have been winning major trophies since we last did.

Yeah, but who exactly are "all the teams that have been winning major trophies"? It's a tiny handful (or a "SPUDMASHER" ) of teams. The vast majority that play the revolving manager merry-go-round are not successful. I would say it's not about building a "dynasty", it's about bringing a manager in and giving them enough time to do what needs to be done to rebuild or develop a team.

Yes, have to agree with that. To give enough time if there is clear evidence that club is progressing and can genuinely compete is the right way to go, let it be 3 or 7 years or whatever.

I agree you need to provide a manager time to make an impact so you can assess whether they will progress the club, but there are people whose main reason for not appointing someone like Pep or Mourinho is they are unlikely to stick around for more than a few years. Obviously there are other reasons to not want Mourinho but I think it odd that him not generally staying for more than a few years is one of them. None of the top managers are hanging around at any clubs these days.

That's true. And tbh I'd agree that one thing that would no longer put me off a manager is whether he was going to hang around for long, because as you say most top managers don't anymore, that's the modern game. Right now we need Wenger out more than any other single change at the club. We need new ideas, new practices, new tactics (or just some tactics!), we need what a new manager would hopefully bring. We need him in right now and even if it is for only 2 or 3 seasons then fine. We need to break from Wenger and that might be difficult and painful for some and it might not necessarily be a success initially, but it needs to be done - we need to break out of this decade-long stagnation. We need this even more than we need a new owner and we really really need a new owner.

Yep, let's sort the manager first, the owner is a longer term problem and I believe the right manager can be successful in spite of the ownership issue, whereas we won't be successful with the current manager.

[Herd]

I happen to think that maureen will struggle to hold himslef together at MUFC if things do not go right from the start .
His meltdown as Chelsea couldnt repeat the same form that won them the league was staggering to watch and I cant help but hope it will happen at MUFC too ,
One things for sure Arsenal better get their shopping done "Tout Suite" before Jose starts ripping open the wad of cash he will be given ,and creating a upward surge once more in transfer fees !

[TeeCee]

One things for sure Arsenal better get their shopping done "Tout Suite" before Jose starts ripping open the wad of cash he will be given ,and creating a upward surge once more in transfer fees !

I'm not sure Maureenio will be shopping in Ligue deux for the same players we will Herd, we will have a clear run at them!!

[Wilson]

LVG was like Moyes, and Wenger. They were too passive and rationalized their inability to compete for titles. Jose for all his faults, wants to compete and will not accept anything less than 1st. So its a question of attitude. If you aim for 1st, and only have eyes for 1st, and you come up short, you may end up in 2nd. However, Wenger always has his eyes on 4th place. He fears falling out of the top 4, more than he fears not winning the title. He may say he wants to win, but in his subconscious, finishing 2nd isnt a disaster (its a success), but finishing 5th really would be the disaster Wenger wants to avoid.

Thats why I was open to Mancini being the manager. Many scoffed when we were linked with him. But this guy was a sore loser at City and hated finishing 2nd.

There are managers who are simply happy to be in the garden, rather than wanting to be the tallest flower. Wenger just wants to remain in the garden. Whilst Jose wants to be the tallest flower in that garden.

[rodders999]

There are managers who are simply happy to be in the garden, rather than wanting to be the tallest flower. Wenger just wants to remain in the garden. Whilst Jose wants to be the tallest flower in that garden.

I trump them all as I would be extremely happy to deflower a lady garden

[nut flush gooner]

LVG was like Moyes, and Wenger. They were too passive and rationalized their inability to compete for titles. Jose for all his faults, wants to compete and will not accept anything less than 1st. So its a question of attitude. If you aim for 1st, and only have eyes for 1st, and you come up short, you may end up in 2nd. However, Wenger always has his eyes on 4th place. He fears falling out of the top 4, more than he fears not winning the title. He may say he wants to win, but in his subconscious, finishing 2nd isnt a disaster (its a success), but finishing 5th really would be the disaster Wenger wants to avoid.

Thats why I was open to Mancini being the manager. Many scoffed when we were linked with him. But this guy was a sore loser at City and hated finishing 2nd.

There are managers who are simply happy to be in the garden, rather than wanting to be the tallest flower. Wenger just wants to remain in the garden. Whilst Jose wants to be the tallest flower in that garden.

Yes and Maureen aimed for 1st last season and look what happened. It's a fine line between being a hard taskmaster with the respect of the dressing room, and losing not only the team but the whole club within 3 months. That's a reflection on him as a human being (ie he's a total *word censored*), I don't want that anywhere near our club.

Don't get me wrong, I would take a disciplinarian that would give the team a kick up the backside but it would be Simeone over Maureen for me every day of the week. What he has acheived at Athletico is stunning.

[Clash]

LVG was like Moyes, and Wenger. They were too passive and rationalized their inability to compete for titles. Jose for all his faults, wants to compete and will not accept anything less than 1st. So its a question of attitude. If you aim for 1st, and only have eyes for 1st, and you come up short, you may end up in 2nd. However, Wenger always has his eyes on 4th place. He fears falling out of the top 4, more than he fears not winning the title. He may say he wants to win, but in his subconscious, finishing 2nd isnt a disaster (its a success), but finishing 5th really would be the disaster Wenger wants to avoid.

Thats why I was open to Mancini being the manager. Many scoffed when we were linked with him. But this guy was a sore loser at City and hated finishing 2nd.

There are managers who are simply happy to be in the garden, rather than wanting to be the tallest flower. Wenger just wants to remain in the garden. Whilst Jose wants to be the tallest flower in that garden.

Yes and Maureen aimed for 1st last season and look what happened. It's a fine line between being a hard taskmaster with the respect of the dressing room, and losing not only the team but the whole club within 3 months. That's a reflection on him as a human being (ie he's a total *word censored*), I don't want that anywhere near our club.

Don't get me wrong, I would take a disciplinarian that would give the team a kick up the backside but it would be Simeone over Maureen for me every day of the week. What he has acheived at Athletico is stunning.

Agree with most of that ... especially about Simeone.

I do wonder if (or hope) Mourinho has lost his aura after what happened last season. If he doesn't start well with Man United the pressure will grow and grow and questions will be asked about him, which will irritate the hell out of him if Wenger is sailing through the season under no pressure as usual.

With a poor start, Mourinho might even start to doubt himself, however unlikely that sounds

[DB10GOONER]

There are managers who are simply happy to be in the garden, rather than wanting to be the tallest flower. Wenger just wants to remain in the garden. Whilst Jose wants to be the tallest flower in that garden.

I trump them all as I would be extremely happy to deflower a lady garden

"Trumping" whilst pounding her mound is quite rude, Rodders. Unless she is German. Apparently.

[OneBardGooner]

There are managers who are simply happy to be in the garden, rather than wanting to be the tallest flower. Wenger just wants to remain in the garden. Whilst Jose wants to be the tallest flower in that garden.

I trump them all as I would be extremely happy to deflower a lady garden

"Trumping" whilst pounding her mound is quite rude, Rodders. Unless she is German. Apparently.

Jaaaa !

manure may have done what we all wish our board would do - ie; drop their redundant manager quicker than a whore doe sher knickers in a brothel....


But, it seems somewhat 'Classless' - Yes, they acted swiftly, but appraently he found out through a media leak rather than from the CEO/Board......Which for me lackds any 'Class' - I may hate manure - But always thought of them as a big club with 'morals' to a certain extent - Obvioulsy thatose days and standards are long gone - Which should suit their in-coming new manager very well - as he truly is a classlesscunt.

[StuartL]

How on earth will he be able to sign decent players to improve them ?

We all know that the players "demand Champions League football before they are prepared to sign" isn't that right Wenker ?

Or does that warped logic only apply to us and not the Mancs / Chelsea ?

[northbank123]

He will try and show that he's turned over a new leaf and be dignified.

And then somebody will ask him the wrong question after a poor result and he wont be able to help himself.

[officepest]

And I'd take him at Arsenal over 3 more years of the same old excuses and broken promises.

I'm having to rub my eyes to read this, really?

The geezer hates us with a passion so why give him the time of day. Just because his rants are directed at Wenger, we shouldn't disassociate ourselves with them because of our personal opinions.

Some pretty shocking stuff gets said on this forum at times.

Shocking stuff indeed. Hates Wenger? Probably; but Arsenal, why?

[Ed Hunter The Gooner]

And I'd take him at Arsenal over 3 more years of the same old excuses and broken promises.

I'm having to rub my eyes to read this, really?

The geezer hates us with a passion so why give him the time of day. Just because his rants are directed at Wenger, we shouldn't disassociate ourselves with them because of our personal opinions.

Some pretty shocking stuff gets said on this forum at times.

Shocking stuff indeed. Hates Wenger? Probably; but Arsenal, why?

I think he's actually jealous as wenker gets free ride and no one questions him and picks him because of that. He doesn't hate Arsenal and would probably take manager position here in a heart beat if that possibility would come.