As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
USMartin wrote:Well, now some are trying to say that because they didn't sell to Mr. Usmanov our Boiard weren't in it for the money
Let's see Dan Fiszman never paid more than 2K for a single share, Lady Nina inherited control of her shares never paid a penny for them, the Carr Family inherited theirs, Mr Hill-Wood inherited his, Ken Friar probably never paid more than a few hundred a share if that and at a maximum 2000 a share but holding out for 12000 a share instead of selling back in 2006 for half that was because they love Arsenal more than money.
Oh sweet Jesus our supporters can be so naive.
So Wenger is a victim in all this conspiracy to drive the share price up then. They certainly done a good job pulling the wool over his eyes - even u could see it all happening from the good old u s of a. I guess he was just too close to see it all happening underneath his hooter.
No not a victim...though he is a victim of unfairly being portrayed in many of the ways he is by many who don't wwant to face the fact that the Board they trusted almost as a matter of gospel used that trust to betray us and enrich ourselves in part because we were unwilling to believe them capable fo doing so util it was too latye. Hell some still don't believe it.
But let's be real Arsene Wenger was paid either to change his own policies to sit their self-interests by the looks of things or at least not to protest their changes in the policies too loudly. Either way the fault and responsibility ultimately lies with the Board as it would if he simply was on this ego-driven mission out of the blue and they chose not to correct things.
The Board is ultimately responsible no matter becuase ultimately the club is run how they want it run even if they are unwilling to actually say how that is. No manager will ever sack a Board, and that is the proof right there. The Board will always sack the manager and it will always be for them to decide whether that is called for or not in any instance, even one where they intentionally or even unwittingly abdicated control of club policy. They still control the club remember. And there is no club policy with out that.
I Hate Hleb wrote:Just as a matter of interest, I found out today that the Solicitors representing Lady Nina in this deal are the same firm that my sister works for as a Legal Secretary/PA.
I would have quizzed her about what she knows but she has been off work for the past 10 days after having an operation. Will see if she's heard anything when I speak to her next.
What did she have - a serious case of the munchies
No, I'm the only pot-head in my family. Which is good news as it means I don't have to share!!!
The Guardan article is a bit myopic.....a bit like Arsene! The writer says Stan could take out £25m to pay off any kind of loan.......any owner of any football club can asset strip it, even if he has no loan to pay off, there is always a way to syphon money out. No-one can say Kroenke definitely wouldn't asset strip but it's only fair to judge him on his history and from what I've read, he hasn't done that to his other clubs.....does anyone know different?
TeeCee wrote:The Guardan article is a bit myopic.....a bit like Arsene! The writer says Stan could take out £25m to pay off any kind of loan.......any owner of any football club can asset strip it, even if he has no loan to pay off, there is always a way to syphon money out. No-one can say Kroenke definitely wouldn't asset strip but it's only fair to judge him on his history and from what I've read, he hasn't done that to his other clubs.....does anyone know different?
Don't know if this helps to paint a picture but I read a users post on the Mails website.
As a Brit I have lived here in Colorado for almost five years and have seen what Stan has done to the sport of Soccer, Basketball and Ice Hockey..............taken the money and ran! The Avalanche are playing the worst Ice Hockey since they were uprooted from Canada and moved to Colrado with defeat after defeat. Stan has traded away real talent in the hope of being successful on the cheap. The Nuggets have just gotten rid of one of the best players in the NBA for cheap unproven replacements and as for his Rapids soccer club, well their style of play can only be described as very 1970's.......................at the end of the day does anyone with half a sense really think that he has the Ar$nals best interest at heart?
Its difficult to say what his intentions are and the premier league is far different to america and the other sports.
TeeCee wrote:Martin, we all know the board are far from perfect but I'm quite sure they also didn't force anything on Wenger regarding tactics (or lack of them), awful substitutions, lack of defensive coaching and giving poor players improved extended contracts. Most people, if not all, on here agree that there is plenty wrong with the board but you don't seem to think Wenger has put a foot wrong and isn't accountable for the last 6 years.......that is very strange to say the least!!
And we all know that those same things went on from 1998-2005 as I have said repeatedly and only a fool or a liar would say otherwise.
As for the extended contracts I suspect and I think we now see how much more likely that it was that financial restrictions designed to minimize what we pay our top players and discourage the signing of other top players and thus limit transfer spending had a lot to do with that. It's all a bit too coincidental for me, especially looking at the fact that share price was 6000 in 2006 and is 12000 now, especially given the only people to comment on our wage structure in fact (from the club I mean) are Dan Fiszman and Ivan Gazidis.
Boomer - Fair enough, I don't know if some of that is scare mongering but there was one report in the papers today.....can't remember which one, which said that one of the Nuggets top bods went to Stan and told him about one of the top players being available...Stan just said 'Go and get him'. Also, I'm sure I read that the Rapids were nothing years ago but they won the championship in 2010? If those are true it doesn't sound like he's been running them down, I don't understand why any owner would do that to be honest?
TeeCee wrote:The Guardan article is a bit myopic.....a bit like Arsene! The writer says Stan could take out £25m to pay off any kind of loan.......any owner of any football club can asset strip it, even if he has no loan to pay off, there is always a way to syphon money out. No-one can say Kroenke definitely wouldn't asset strip but it's only fair to judge him on his history and from what I've read, he hasn't done that to his other clubs.....does anyone know different?
Don't know if this helps to paint a picture but I read a users post on the Mails website.
As a Brit I have lived here in Colorado for almost five years and have seen what Stan has done to the sport of Soccer, Basketball and Ice Hockey..............taken the money and ran! The Avalanche are playing the worst Ice Hockey since they were uprooted from Canada and moved to Colrado with defeat after defeat. Stan has traded away real talent in the hope of being successful on the cheap. The Nuggets have just gotten rid of one of the best players in the NBA for cheap unproven replacements and as for his Rapids soccer club, well their style of play can only be described as very 1970's.......................at the end of the day does anyone with half a sense really think that he has the Ar$nals best interest at heart?
Its difficult to say what his intentions are and the premier league is far different to america and the other sports.
Probably a Sp*rs fan talking shit. Notice his use of the dollar sign in replacement of s in Arsenal. Jealous *word censored*.
TeeCee wrote:Boomer - Fair enough, I don't know if some of that is scare mongering but there was one report in the papers today.....can't remember which one, which said that one of the Nuggets top bods went to Stan and told him about one of the top players being available...Stan just said 'Go and get him'. Also, I'm sure I read that the Rapids were nothing years ago but they won the championship in 2010? If those are true it doesn't sound like he's been running them down, I don't understand why any owner would do that to be honest?
I'm not reading into anything yet. So yeah we'll hear both sides of the coin and footballs all about opinions.
TeeCee wrote:The Guardan article is a bit myopic.....a bit like Arsene! The writer says Stan could take out £25m to pay off any kind of loan.......any owner of any football club can asset strip it, even if he has no loan to pay off, there is always a way to syphon money out. No-one can say Kroenke definitely wouldn't asset strip but it's only fair to judge him on his history and from what I've read, he hasn't done that to his other clubs.....does anyone know different?
Don't know if this helps to paint a picture but I read a users post on the Mails website.
As a Brit I have lived here in Colorado for almost five years and have seen what Stan has done to the sport of Soccer, Basketball and Ice Hockey..............taken the money and ran! The Avalanche are playing the worst Ice Hockey since they were uprooted from Canada and moved to Colrado with defeat after defeat. Stan has traded away real talent in the hope of being successful on the cheap. The Nuggets have just gotten rid of one of the best players in the NBA for cheap unproven replacements and as for his Rapids soccer club, well their style of play can only be described as very 1970's.......................at the end of the day does anyone with half a sense really think that he has the Ar$nals best interest at heart?
Its difficult to say what his intentions are and the premier league is far different to america and the other sports.
From what i know about the NBA Carmelo Anthony refused to sign a new deal so they traded him away im open to correction on this though.
