CL: Borusia Dortmund Match Thread

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Arsenal 'unlucky' did someone say! Ha ha ha. I have no idea how many chances Dortmund had in that game but they were the far more convincing side getting forward.

Positives for Arsenal?

- Van Persie finishing superbly with his right foot. He's worked on that.
- Mertesacker had an excellent game and was organized

Negative.

- Koscielny is an absolute disaster of a defender. He's a joke. A clown. Inside the first Thirteen minutes Borussia Dortmund played four passes over the top, that found a Dortmund man unmarked, alone and bearing down on goal. THIS HAPPENED FOUR FUCKING TIMES IN THIRTEEN MINUTES. It shouldn't even be happening once in ninety minutes. And each and every time, the reason was Koscielny. Mertesacker was holding his line very well but it was Koscielny without a fucking clue of what to do, dropping deep even though Mertesacker's movements were loud and clear.
Koscielny is a fucking cock. The hero of that 8-2 at Old Trafford, a pathetic waste of £10 mil. But hey, the AKBs won't ever admit that Lord Wanker wsted £10 mil on this joke who is rated as beneath Kaboul in France!...

- Don't care if he made the pass for the goal that does not justify his utter general gashness. Someone with his pace should be able to use it far more to their advantage. Every time I watch Walcott, I die a little inside.

- Gervinho. I told you all that I've watched this guy several times for Lille. Eden Hazard is the baller in that team. Gervinho is a muppet. Headless chicken. Never seen a player with such little awareness of what is around him and such a shit first touch. He's got pace but doesn't know how to use it, he lacks the football intelligence to play give and gos so Arsenal's movement is limited.

- Benayoun looked every inch the Chelski reserve he is.

- Kieran Gibbs. Fucking hell. He makes me pine for Clichy that is how defensively pathetic he is.


As I watched that match tonight, it hit me just how boring to watch Arsenal are. There is not a single player in that team that I would pay to watch. Not one. Not even RVP (though he is excellent). On the other hand, I would pay to watch Goetze or Shinji Kagawa all day long. None of the Arsenal players give you that air of expectation when they get the ball. When Paul Merson or Dennis Bergkamp for instance used to get the ball...you'd get excited and sense something could happen.

Arsenal don't have a single player who can make things happen. In fact the expectation when most of them get the ball, is that they are going to do something fundamentally retarded. The midfield is so much poorer without Fabregas it's untrue.

There is not a single wide player who attacks the opposing full-back and tries to take him on. Not one. Name one Arsenal midfielder who runs at full-backs and tries to beat them for skill? Can't.

Yeah a point ain't bad. Whatever. This team is S-H-I-T-E.

The refusal to purchase a top level striker with pace a la Higuain/Nilmar is just beyond farcical. The centre of midfield is lacking in severe quality both defensively (Alex Thong, useless) and in attack (or is Benayoun the answer). The midfield Arsenal put out in the CL today is barely superior to the Aston Villa midfield imo.

And yet again we are shown that irrespective of who plays in defence, there is no tactical set up or organization. YAWN.
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Babatunde wrote:Arsenal 'unlucky' did someone say! Ha ha ha. I have no idea how many chances Dortmund had in that game but they were the far more convincing side getting forward.

Positives for Arsenal?

- Van Persie finishing superbly with his right foot. He's worked on that.
- Mertesacker had an excellent game and was organized

Negative.

- Koscielny is an absolute disaster of a defender. He's a joke. A clown. Inside the first Thirteen minutes Borussia Dortmund played four passes over the top, that found a Dortmund man unmarked, alone and bearing down on goal. THIS HAPPENED FOUR FUCKING TIMES IN THIRTEEN MINUTES. It shouldn't even be happening once in ninety minutes. And each and every time, the reason was Koscielny. Mertesacker was holding his line very well but it was Koscielny without a fucking clue of what to do, dropping deep even though Mertesacker's movements were loud and clear.
Koscielny is a fucking cock. The hero of that 8-2 at Old Trafford, a pathetic waste of £10 mil. But hey, the AKBs won't ever admit that Lord Wanker wsted £10 mil on this joke who is rated as beneath Kaboul in France!...

- Don't care if he made the pass for the goal that does not justify his utter general gashness. Someone with his pace should be able to use it far more to their advantage. Every time I watch Walcott, I die a little inside.

- Gervinho. I told you all that I've watched this guy several times for Lille. Eden Hazard is the baller in that team. Gervinho is a muppet. Headless chicken. Never seen a player with such little awareness of what is around him and such a shit first touch. He's got pace but doesn't know how to use it, he lacks the football intelligence to play give and gos so Arsenal's movement is limited.

- Benayoun looked every inch the Chelski reserve he is.

- Kieran Gibbs. Fucking hell. He makes me pine for Clichy that is how defensively pathetic he is.


As I watched that match tonight, it hit me just how boring to watch Arsenal are. There is not a single player in that team that I would pay to watch. Not one. Not even RVP (though he is excellent). On the other hand, I would pay to watch Goetze or Shinji Kagawa all day long. None of the Arsenal players give you that air of expectation when they get the ball. When Paul Merson or Dennis Bergkamp for instance used to get the ball...you'd get excited and sense something could happen.

Arsenal don't have a single player who can make things happen. In fact the expectation when most of them get the ball, is that they are going to do something fundamentally retarded. The midfield is so much poorer without Fabregas it's untrue.

There is not a single wide player who attacks the opposing full-back and tries to take him on. Not one. Name one Arsenal midfielder who runs at full-backs and tries to beat them for skill? Can't.

Yeah a point ain't bad. Whatever. This team is S-H-I-T-E.

The refusal to purchase a top level striker with pace a la Higuain/Nilmar is just beyond farcical. The centre of midfield is lacking in severe quality both defensively (Alex Thong, useless) and in attack (or is Benayoun the answer). The midfield Arsenal put out in the CL today is barely superior to the Aston Villa midfield imo.

And yet again we are shown that irrespective of who plays in defence, there is no tactical set up or organization. YAWN.
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Benayoun was pure industry all night. Gibbs did alright too. Way too harsh on those two.

Can't disagree with Koscielny, he left people onside time and time again. Gervinho was a bit useless, and Walcott has little-to-no intelligence (trying to turn a defender in the 80th minute when we're trying to hold a lead, which lead to a counterattack they almost scored on).

It could have easily been 2-0 or 3-0 down if BVB had finished some of their chances. What's funny though, is how quickly it was established in the game that Arsenal was the underdog. BVB is a fantastic team, but we should not be such low odds considering our financial clout.

Anyway, the 4-3-3 was useless all night and the substitute choices were poor. What is Chamakh gonna do? Certainly not score on the counter, nor help out in the middle. Andre Santos? Way to throw somebody into the deep end. I would have brought on JYP for Gervinho much earlier; a way more combative player with a better overall intelligence for the game.

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mert was good, spot on positioning, 1st half was a defensive shambles, much better in the 2nd.

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Babatunde wrote:Arsenal 'unlucky' did someone say! Ha ha ha. I have no idea how many chances Dortmund had in that game but they were the far more convincing side getting forward.Positives for Arsenal?

- Van Persie finishing superbly with his right foot. He's worked on that.
- Mertesacker had an excellent game and was organized

Negative.

- Koscielny is an absolute disaster of a defender. He's a joke. A clown. Inside the first Thirteen minutes Borussia Dortmund played four passes over the top, that found a Dortmund man unmarked, alone and bearing down on goal. THIS HAPPENED FOUR FUCKING TIMES IN THIRTEEN MINUTES. It shouldn't even be happening once in ninety minutes. And each and every time, the reason was Koscielny. Mertesacker was holding his line very well but it was Koscielny without a fucking clue of what to do, dropping deep even though Mertesacker's movements were loud and clear.
Koscielny is a fucking cock. The hero of that 8-2 at Old Trafford, a pathetic waste of £10 mil. But hey, the AKBs won't ever admit that Lord Wanker wsted £10 mil on this joke who is rated as beneath Kaboul in France!...

- Don't care if he made the pass for the goal that does not justify his utter general gashness. Someone with his pace should be able to use it far more to their advantage. Every time I watch Walcott, I die a little inside.

- Gervinho. I told you all that I've watched this guy several times for Lille. Eden Hazard is the baller in that team. Gervinho is a muppet. Headless chicken. Never seen a player with such little awareness of what is around him and such a shit first touch. He's got pace but doesn't know how to use it, he lacks the football intelligence to play give and gos so Arsenal's movement is limited.

- Benayoun looked every inch the Chelski reserve he is.

- Kieran Gibbs. Fucking hell. He makes me pine for Clichy that is how defensively pathetic he is.


As I watched that match tonight, it hit me just how boring to watch Arsenal are. There is not a single player in that team that I would pay to watch. Not one. Not even RVP (though he is excellent). On the other hand, I would pay to watch Goetze or Shinji Kagawa all day long. None of the Arsenal players give you that air of expectation when they get the ball. When Paul Merson or Dennis Bergkamp for instance used to get the ball...you'd get excited and sense something could happen.

Arsenal don't have a single player who can make things happen. In fact the expectation when most of them get the ball, is that they are going to do something fundamentally retarded. The midfield is so much poorer without Fabregas it's untrue.

There is not a single wide player who attacks the opposing full-back and tries to take him on. Not one. Name one Arsenal midfielder who runs at full-backs and tries to beat them for skill? Can't.

Yeah a point ain't bad. Whatever. This team is S-H-I-T-E.

The refusal to purchase a top level striker with pace a la Higuain/Nilmar is just beyond farcical. The centre of midfield is lacking in severe quality both defensively (Alex Thong, useless) and in attack (or is Benayoun the answer). The midfield Arsenal put out in the CL today is barely superior to the Aston Villa midfield imo.

And yet again we are shown that irrespective of who plays in defence, there is no tactical set up or organization. YAWN.
:banghead:
I didn't read the rest of your post, because after the bolded part, I'm sure it's the same crap again. Please Fuck off..we got more than I expected from the game, so fair dues to the team. I hope this will get them playing well for my team


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I thought Benayoun was anonymous for large periods of the game, but fully competent whenever he was on the ball.

Gervinho was atrocious, and his (lack of) finishing tonight reveals exactly what kind of striker he's going to be for us. I'm thinking along the lines of the post-injury Eduardo. His effort levels were non-existent too.

Mertesacker looked good, and I look forward to seeing the Korean bloke soon.

I want AW to leave ASAP, but with Eboue, Denilson and Bendtner out, and the seven signings in, it's definitely easier to get behind this team. AW clearly isn't going anywhere anytime soon, so may as well hope they achieve something.

Still won't spend a penny on the club until AW's gone, mind you.

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I will admit though that Arse lost to a wondergoal, nothing to be done about that. I forgot to mention that I think Arteta was pretty outstanding. Again though, it says a LOT about the severe lack of class in this Arsenal set-up that an Everton player whose nadir has been the Europa League can stroll into this side, and immediately look 80 times superior to his colleagues.
Chesney looks the business though.
Second half far more resilient than first.

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rigsby wrote:Tbh mate I thought this was EXACTLY like an old Arsenal performance. Remember Copenhagen '94?
Did we concede in Copenhagen? Can't remember that happening??!
Mate sorry but that is nonsense. In Copenhagen, Arsenal defended like lions against a team loaded with lethal attackers (Brolin,etc).
Parma barely got a kick.

Tonight Dortmund had about eighteen pot shots on goal and had sliced Arsenal open four times inside the first 13 minutes. Still

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Babatunde wrote:
rigsby wrote:Tbh mate I thought this was EXACTLY like an old Arsenal performance. Remember Copenhagen '94?
Did we concede in Copenhagen? Can't remember that happening??!
Mate sorry but that is nonsense. In Copenhagen, Arsenal defended like lions against a team loaded with lethal attackers (Brolin,etc).
Parma barely got a kick.

Tonight Dortmund had about eighteen pot shots on goal and had sliced Arsenal open four times inside the first 13 minutes. Still
Whilst I agree with most of what you write, you are a million miles away with that one babatunde. My memory tells me they dominated the match, had numerous chances and but for some heroic defending, the woodwork, Seaman and some luck, Parma would probably have won.

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I Hate Hleb wrote:
Babatunde wrote:
rigsby wrote:Tbh mate I thought this was EXACTLY like an old Arsenal performance. Remember Copenhagen '94?
Did we concede in Copenhagen? Can't remember that happening??!
Mate sorry but that is nonsense. In Copenhagen, Arsenal defended like lions against a team loaded with lethal attackers (Brolin,etc).
Parma barely got a kick.

Tonight Dortmund had about eighteen pot shots on goal and had sliced Arsenal open four times inside the first 13 minutes. Still
Whilst I agree with most of what you write, you are a million miles away with that one babatunde. My memory tells me they dominated the match, had numerous chances and but for some heroic defending, the woodwork, Seaman and some luck, Parma would probably have won.
In fairness, US TV probably didn't have rights to the match at that time.

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Bring Back Pires: you're a brainless soporific fuckwit ain't you? Or do you think Islington is a US district? Home schooling not work for ya? I won't mention that I was in Copenhagen for that final, whilst you were no doubt still discovering the joys of domiciled mastrubation. Pffft...
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I Hate Hleb. Parma dominated possession but how many shots on goal did they actually have? Go check. Did they dice Arsenal open in midfield the way Arsenal were tonight? Tonight's performance is incomparable to Copenhagen imo. Dortmund were shorn of their best attacker for one, and are a much weaker team than that Parma side were. Arsenal made that midfield a battleground and Parma were getting no joy in the middle.

Compare to Kagawa strolling through unopposed for the whole of the first half and half the second??

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I'm not disputing that tonight wasn't another Copenhagen, only the claim that 'Parma barely got a kick' in that final, which you made!!!

However, if I get time tomorrow I'll try and track down some highlights of the match to see if old age and 30 years of spliff smoking has affected my memory. 8)

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Aaaah yeah see what you mean mate, yah a bit extreme in that view...what I shoulda said was that compared to tonight Parma barely got a kick! If I push the explanation further I sholda basically said e.g. how many times was a Parma player in the position where he was one on one with no one within a two mile radius of him?! :shock:

I think what annoys me is that teams used to have to work dam hard to get a clear chance at goal against the Arsenal. These days, it's just like a fun fair, roll up roll up!

I was honestly disgusted at the defending in parts of this match, especially after the 8-2. Koscielny STILL hasn't been taught that YOU DO NOT PLAY OFFSIDE JUST TEN YARDS OUTSIDE YOUR OWN PENALTY AREA! That is the reason Nani walked through for that humiliating goal at OT... :banghead:

But yeah brah shoulda made that clearer! 8)

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It's quite simple....

We were terrible defensively first half. Then..........

Pat Rice gave them a rocket at half-time. Then we came out and defended like heroes for the second half.

If Wenger was on the touch-line we would have lost that game.

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You might have a great point there Frank mate...think about it. Form the first half patheticness to a much improved second half defensive performance.

Mind yo Arsene doesn't like players who shout on the pitch or in the dressing room! So that means you can from leading Newcastle 4-0 at half-time to drawing 4-4!! And the manager says nothing to the players in the dressing room afterwards!

Oooooor...you can go from being 3-1 down in Old Trafford and back in the game with a goal to ending up coming out second half and getting raped 8-2!!!

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We were cut to shreds several time in the first 15 mins but they couldn't take their chances,Kos and the currant have hardly have much time together have they.
Second half sagna got closer to them which exposed the flank too much for me and the forwards didnt work enough to pick up clearances.
We then made the grave mistake of sitting back and letting them come ,it was only a matter of time before they scored,woeful defense of a set piece ..........again !

The should have signed Caesar Milano he knows how to hold a lead !

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