The Mesut Özil Thread

[Robin_L]

The consensus opinion seems to be that Cazorla and Ozil doesnt work in the same team, especially when we dont have much of the ball. Wenger will persist with both though. Rosicky's worth more than both in his defensive application and can still play a bit, I'd try a 3 of Rosicky-Ozil-Chamberlain for the time being.

[BFG4]

Ozil was piss poor last night, but i dont agree with the criticism he has been getting for his performances in the last month or two. His one great asset, is his ability to play a through pass to an attacking player, but with Giroud/Sanogo in the team, that isnt an option, so he ends up passing it sideways, and going nowhere. Add to that, the loss of Walcott, and Ramsey, and that is why he is struggling. On Sunday, he played an excellent pass down the wing to the Ox, in the build up to Podolski's goal, and that shows his quality. If i was him, id be disillusioned, he left a club, that aims to win everything, every season, to join a club, that pretends it does. Still pisses me off, we didnt get a striker in January, and its probably just hitting Mesut, that until he leaves, he will be stuck with shit players around him, as Wenger will never address the issues we have in the squad.

[Number 5]

Well, if you think the "problem" is Mesut, you need taking out back and shooting.

Glad that further on you actually bothered to have a debate as your first comment was juvenile.

They both came

Snigger, snigger.

[clockender1]

Jerry press described him as 'lonely and depressed 25yr old'

So what BFG rings true - he joined a side with initially direct attacking football that due to injury and the persistence with Jack and Caz plays sideways football.

I actually though Ozil played okay the first 30, - at one stage he was on the shoulder of the last defender when Yaya passed forward to him. He also made some forward passes as Jack did.

But then it fell apart - I think Giroud is suffering too.

Our best midfield is Rosicky, Ramsey, flam, Walcott.

Only one played last night, though Ox did and is doing a good job in filling in as Gnabry did.

Either you have to play Ozil in the centre of a 5 or you play him up top with Gnabry or Yaya.

Caz + Ozil is a luxury IMHO - it's either/ or I'm afraid. We didn't need Ozil and now Wenger can't drop Caz who to be fair scores some lovely goals but this is a result of not signing another striker and an up n down midfielder like parlour or ljunberg for the left hand side.

I guess theoretically you could play Ramsey wide left and Caz CMR or CML, but wherever he plays he's going to be targeted in the big games when we are on the back foot.

We can't keep both Caz and Ozil happy.

[Nos89]

Ozil had a bad game yesterday, but on the whole I'd say hes been ok.
I think next season we will see a different Ozil.

There's no guarantee he will be with us next season. If Ancellotti leaves Madrid I can see him going back...£50m and Bale coming to us...

Also, if we don't sign a world class striker like benzema or falcao we still haven't got a striker who can put away those chances Ozil provides. It must drive him bonkers seeing giroud miss those chances...

[donaldo]

Jerry press described him as 'lonely and depressed 25yr old'

So what BFG rings true - he joined a side with initially direct attacking football that due to injury and the persistence with Jack and Caz plays sideways football.

I actually though Ozil played okay the first 30, - at one stage he was on the shoulder of the last defender when Yaya passed forward to him. He also made some forward passes as Jack did.

But then it fell apart - I think Giroud is suffering too.

Our best midfield is Rosicky, Ramsey, flam, Walcott.

Only one played last night, though Ox did and is doing a good job in filling in as Gnabry did.

Either you have to play Ozil in the centre of a 5 or you play him up top with Gnabry or Yaya.

Caz + Ozil is a luxury IMHO - it's either/ or I'm afraid. We didn't need Ozil and now Wenger can't drop Caz who to be fair scores some lovely goals but this is a result of not signing another striker and an up n down midfielder like parlour or ljunberg for the left hand side.

I guess theoretically you could play Ramsey wide left and Caz CMR or CML, but wherever he plays he's going to be targeted in the big games when we are on the back foot.

We can't keep both Caz and Ozil happy.

Spot on.Ozil and Cazorla is a luxury too far.Ozil's best form was when Cazorla was injured.Also we will never see the best off Ozil while he has carthorses like Giroud Bendtner and Sanogo playing upfront.He needs pacy strikers.Like buying a car without an engine.But i havent managed for 30 years

[markyp]

Ozil was piss poor last night, but i dont agree with the criticism he has been getting for his performances in the last month or two. His one great asset, is his ability to play a through pass to an attacking player, but with Giroud/Sanogo in the team, that isnt an option, so he ends up passing it sideways, and going nowhere. Add to that, the loss of Walcott, and Ramsey, and that is why he is struggling. On Sunday, he played an excellent pass down the wing to the Ox, in the build up to Podolski's goal, and that shows his quality. If i was him, id be disillusioned, he left a club, that aims to win everything, every season, to join a club, that pretends it does. Still pisses me off, we didnt get a striker in January, and its probably just hitting Mesut, that until he leaves, he will be stuck with shit players around him, as Wenger will never address the issues we have in the squad.

THIS!!!!!!, Ozil is surrounded by cretins who aren't on the same wave length at times,theres been numerous ocasions when hes looked up to play a killer pass but nobodies been there to pass too.we need to get behind him and not get on his back,he didnt choose his price tag,its Wenkers fault hes gone off the boil to a point, imagine we had a quality CF who read the game like Ozil,hed be a revelation,im convinced Pod should start alongside him,if its good enough for Germany it has to be good enough for us,surely to god??

[I Hate Hleb]

Might be true but it still doesn't excuse his apparent lack of effort, attitude and the way he acts as if no-one is allowed to admonish him.

[begeegs]

THIS!!!!!!, Ozil is surrounded by cretins who aren't on the same wave length at times,theres been numerous ocasions when hes looked up to play a killer pass but nobodies been there to pass too.we need to get behind him and not get on his back,he didnt choose his price tag,its Wenkers fault hes gone off the boil to a point, imagine we had a quality CF who read the game like Ozil,hed be a revelation,im convinced Pod should start alongside him,if its good enough for Germany it has to be good enough for us,surely to god??

He does need players making runs which we don't really have unless Ox or Gnarby play. He is quality player who has never been renowned for his defending. I think that most of the criticism is twitter mentality.

Overall, he has a good year considering that he didn't have a pre-season with us and this is his first year with new teammates and a new league. I also think that people should start supporting the guy.

[King Henry]

The facts are that Joachim Low, manager of one of the best National sides in the World has said that Ozil is top class and is the first name on the teamsheet for him. Jose Mourinho, who does not accept any luxury players as shown by the way he axed Mata, had Ozil as one of his key players at Real Madrid. Under both of these managers Ozil has been irrefutably world class and he created loads of chances and had more assists over the past few seasons than anyone else in Europe. If we play Ozil to his strengths then he can destroy any team but that's all dependent on Wenger playing the right system and players which looks unlikely.

[jaybee]

I Think ... and sincerely hope for the sake of all the dosh we paid for him! that he will be a great in time, just like TH and DB didn't gel straight away. he won't make our season 13/14 but his time will come ... I'm sure of that

[northbank123]

The facts are that Joachim Low, manager of one of the best National sides in the World has said that Ozil is top class and is the first name on the teamsheet for him. Jose Mourinho, who does not accept any luxury players as shown by the way he axed Mata, had Ozil as one of his key players at Real Madrid. Under both of these managers Ozil has been irrefutably world class and he created loads of chances and had more assists over the past few seasons than anyone else in Europe. If we play Ozil to his strengths then he can destroy any team but that's all dependent on Wenger playing the right system and players which looks unlikely.

Good perspective. It's not just the fact he has gotten himself a great reputation, those are two top-drawer coaches who both had a plethora of class players to choose from and they both rate him above nearly all others.

No excuse for attitude problems (although I think his general demeanour is inevitably going to lead to those sort of accusations if he's not doing the business) if there are any but you do not and cannot lose that sort of class over a few months.

Use. Him. Properly.

Get. Other. Class. Players.

[markyp]

The facts are that Joachim Low, manager of one of the best National sides in the World has said that Ozil is top class and is the first name on the teamsheet for him. Jose Mourinho, who does not accept any luxury players as shown by the way he axed Mata, had Ozil as one of his key players at Real Madrid. Under both of these managers Ozil has been irrefutably world class and he created loads of chances and had more assists over the past few seasons than anyone else in Europe. If we play Ozil to his strengths then he can destroy any team but that's all dependent on Wenger playing the right system and players which looks unlikely.

Good perspective. It's not just the fact he has gotten himself a great reputation, those are two top-drawer coaches who both had a plethora of class players to choose from and they both rate him above nearly all others.

No excuse for attitude problems (although I think his general demeanour is inevitably going to lead to those sort of accusations if he's not doing the business) if there are any but you do not and cannot lose that sort of class over a few months.

Use. Him. Properly.

Get. Other. Class. Players.

he's suffering from Arsene syndrome where all the skill and life is coached out of you,its Le boss who needs the boot not Ozil,i can see him fucking off to Chavski and being a star just to compound the misery

[augie]

I have to say that I am feeling a bit of sympathy for ozil in the last couple of days - we have been all over the fact that he suffers from a lack of attacking options when he gets the ball but that also is no excuse for the apathy he displays. My sympathy stems from the fact that, imo, there has been a massive over-reaction to the penalty miss - yes it was a poor penalty and it might (stress might) have changed the course of the game but penalties have been missed before and will be missed again so we need to accept that and move on. The miss has been magnified hugely because he hasn't been playing well and that has allowed the media to stir it up a bit but if ozil was in form would it make the penalty miss any more acceptable ? As fans we have to be able to step back from the media bullshit and recognise that we have a world class player on our books who could turn out to be one of the best players in our history if he is given time - yes there is the possibility that there will come a time when we have to draw a line in the sand and accept that his signing hasn't worked out but that time hasn't arrived yet so we should get behind him and let him know that we have his back and the media and other jealous non Gooners will not be allowed to change that

On the flip side though, and this is a point that I have made before, his body language is fcuking awful His reaction to flamoney after the missed penalty was very very poor imo and totally unacceptable He needs to realise and fast, that an attitude like he has been showing, will not endear himself to the fans and no player wants to have their own supporters turn against them unless they are a total fool.

[spendsum4uckingmoney]

Who would have thought it? A German manager praising a German player.