United Game away

[King Henry]

This game would have ended 0-0 other than a set-piece or a world class strike. Both teams were set up to not lose and it was inevitable that whoever got the first goal would just look to hold on. It was a disappointing goal to concede but we didn't do too much wrong from the set piece, it was a very good delivery and header. The main thing here is that we recover and beat Southampton in the next game. That's going to be a very tough game and if we lose that we really could begin to struggle.

[topgoon]

The 'disgrace' was who was supposed to be there on the end of a match winning cross at the end.......a useless fat lump of Danish lard having us off for £50k per week.

Its not home games against Norwich or away games at Palace where our lack of strikers will show up.......it will be at Stamford Bridge, Old Trafford, the Etihad and any of the big CL teams in the knockout stage. That's when £40m strikers show what you're missing.

Who cares where Bendtner is from? It's cheap shot.

The important point is should have been replaced with a senior striker; Higuain, Villa, Remy (legal issues a worry though) etc.

I don't give a fuck where he's from either Quartz......don't bring that into it, its a simple point of reference. What I care about is that nobody wanted him because he is fucking hopeless and overpaid and yet is our second choice striker. You agree with me on that point.

Villa was available for 5m. Don't agree about Remy because he would be too lightweight in games like today too.

Dzeko looks pissed off to be playing second or third fiddle at City and we should go and get himAs for people suggesting Podolski and Wally can play the lone striker, back to goal role.......words fail me

Sh*tty sell what is still a very good striker to us....you might want to shine that words fail me light on yourself too mate

[SteveO 35]

The 'disgrace' was who was supposed to be there on the end of a match winning cross at the end.......a useless fat lump of Danish lard having us off for £50k per week.

Its not home games against Norwich or away games at Palace where our lack of strikers will show up.......it will be at Stamford Bridge, Old Trafford, the Etihad and any of the big CL teams in the knockout stage. That's when £40m strikers show what you're missing.

Who cares where Bendtner is from? It's cheap shot.

The important point is should have been replaced with a senior striker; Higuain, Villa, Remy (legal issues a worry though) etc.

I don't give a fuck where he's from either Quartz......don't bring that into it, its a simple point of reference. What I care about is that nobody wanted him because he is fucking hopeless and overpaid and yet is our second choice striker. You agree with me on that point.

Villa was available for 5m. Don't agree about Remy because he would be too lightweight in games like today too.

Dzeko looks pissed off to be playing second or third fiddle at City and we should go and get himAs for people suggesting Podolski and Wally can play the lone striker, back to goal role.......words fail me

Sh*tty sell what is still a very good striker to us....you might want to shine that words fail me light on yourself too mate

Seems like I must have pissed on your chips during one of your dreams. Not interested in thread hijacking here and Armchair and I were warned about it before. If you want to spend the next 30 pages deliberately taking the contrary view when I make reasoned posts then I'll let the MODs decide

I suppose you're still dreaming of Falcao or one of the other 'sensible' suggestions ?

[g88ner]

The performance that proves nothing has changed.

Give over man You really don't think anything has changed??? - the consistency of results surely is a step forward?

I get you want Wenger gone, and reminding everyone how bad we are, but only a moron wouldn't be able to see a difference between Arsenal of 2013/14 and that of the Denilson era (for want of a better name )

Our consistency isn't an accident. The players have done well since March and deserve credit.

Today was poor though. They still don't look comfortable in big games, but that doesn't mean there hasn't been progress at the club. There clearly has.

Thanks for calling me a moron - helpful comment.

But to me nothing has changed. Honestly, we've been flat track bullies for years. In 2010 we were top of the league in February.......so why is being top of the league in October / November progress? People talk about our stunning unbeaten run but I called it when we beat Fulham months ago i.e. no more league defeats until November at Old Trafford.

That performance today was every bit as bad as last season's up there, except we had the excellent Gibbs instead of that pie eating wanker from Brazil. The 'progress' is a myth - we look to have progressed because our run in at the end of last season, and our start to this season has been against mainly weaker sides. For every player that has progressed i.e. Ramsey, there is one who has regressed i.e. Wilshere

If you look at our points tally against the same teams from last season then we are down on that. Maybe only 'morons' can spot that

Fair enough. I'm amazed you can't see any progress whatsoever. I just find that astonishing when I genuinely think there's been definite improvement within the togetherness and quality of our squad.

Chesney looks better than a year ago; Sagna is better than last season; Gibbs has improved; Per and Kos look a decent partnership that is better than previous; Arteta is still good and now has Flamini for competition; Ramsey has improved hugely; Giroud is much improved from last season; Rosicky is back. And then you have Ozil finding his feet, Cazorla just back from injury and Pod/Theo/Ox still to come.

The you add the considtency away from home that United/chavs/citeh have failed to match and that spells PROGRESS. Surely?

You really can't see any? honestly? We've Improved; not to title winning standard (imo) but better than we were.

[donaldo]

Last season in the big games Cazorla didnt turn up.Today he was joined by Ozil who was fucking shite.Big players should turn up for big games not go missing.Todays performance was no different to any of the visits to OT over the last 5 years.Utd knew how to beat us.The first half performance was abysmal.When Bendtner came on we might all as well have gone home.We were 2nd best today

[northbank123]

We essentially set up for a 0-0 with two (unnecessary) holding midfielders. Chances of us catching them on the counter-attack was very very slim as they rely on Rooney to drop back to press deep midfielders rather than having their CMs rushing up to press us, so always have plenty of numbers behind the ball.

When that gameplan was scuppered by van Judas' goal we had 65 minutes to change our approach and we didn't. The players out there were by and large piss-poor but we didn't give ourselves much chance of winning the game with the set-up we had.

Anyone else remember laughing at Spurs this season when after we scored halfway through the first half we played well below our best but were still completely untroubled by their impotence and cantered to victory? That's exactly how those smug United fans will be feeling right now.

[SteveO 35]

The performance that proves nothing has changed.

Give over man You really don't think anything has changed??? - the consistency of results surely is a step forward?

I get you want Wenger gone, and reminding everyone how bad we are, but only a moron wouldn't be able to see a difference between Arsenal of 2013/14 and that of the Denilson era (for want of a better name )

Our consistency isn't an accident. The players have done well since March and deserve credit.

Today was poor though. They still don't look comfortable in big games, but that doesn't mean there hasn't been progress at the club. There clearly has.

Thanks for calling me a moron - helpful comment.

But to me nothing has changed. Honestly, we've been flat track bullies for years. In 2010 we were top of the league in February.......so why is being top of the league in October / November progress? People talk about our stunning unbeaten run but I called it when we beat Fulham months ago i.e. no more league defeats until November at Old Trafford.

That performance today was every bit as bad as last season's up there, except we had the excellent Gibbs instead of that pie eating wanker from Brazil. The 'progress' is a myth - we look to have progressed because our run in at the end of last season, and our start to this season has been against mainly weaker sides. For every player that has progressed i.e. Ramsey, there is one who has regressed i.e. Wilshere

If you look at our points tally against the same teams from last season then we are down on that. Maybe only 'morons' can spot that

Fair enough. I'm amazed you can't see any progress whatsoever. I just find that astonishing when I genuinely think there's been definite improvement within the togetherness and quality of our squad.

Chesney looks better than a year ago; Sagna is better than last season; Gibbs has improved; Per and Kos look a decent partnership that is better than previous; Arteta is still good and now has Flamini for competition; Ramsey has improved hugely; Giroud is much improved from last season; Rosicky is back. And then you have Ozil finding his feet, Cazorla just back from injury and Pod/Theo/Ox still to come.

The you add the considtency away from home that United/chavs/citeh have failed to match and that spells PROGRESS. Surely?

You really can't see any? honestly? there's no shame in giving an inch when it stops you looking silly. We've Improved; not to title winning standard (imo) but better than we were.

We have some individual players that have progressed. Chesney looks more composed, the two centre halves you mention have definitely progressed and of course Ramsey and Giroud are head and shoulders above the players they were a year ago

But on the flip side Wilshere, who was our stand out midfielder for a year has gone backwards and isn't fit......Santi still flatters to deceive in big games and we have our usual clutter of players in the treatment room.

Progress will only really be judged after 38 league games at the end of the season. I still think the PL consists of mostly average and shite teams and if we finish 4th with broadly the same points total, progress no further than the last 16 in the CL and don't win a domestic cup could we call that progress? Not to my mind, and that is what I am expecting. If that doesn't happen and we win something and come much closer to the title I will shift my view but I don't see anything in terms of tangible progress........some individual players maybe, but there are also others who have gone backwards or sideways

I don't get off on days like today - it pisses me off enormously, so there isn't the slightest element of wanting to stay stubborn to prove a point.

[topgoon]

The 'disgrace' was who was supposed to be there on the end of a match winning cross at the end.......a useless fat lump of Danish lard having us off for £50k per week.

Its not home games against Norwich or away games at Palace where our lack of strikers will show up.......it will be at Stamford Bridge, Old Trafford, the Etihad and any of the big CL teams in the knockout stage. That's when £40m strikers show what you're missing.

Who cares where Bendtner is from? It's cheap shot.

The important point is should have been replaced with a senior striker; Higuain, Villa, Remy (legal issues a worry though) etc.

I don't give a fuck where he's from either Quartz......don't bring that into it, its a simple point of reference. What I care about is that nobody wanted him because he is fucking hopeless and overpaid and yet is our second choice striker. You agree with me on that point.

Villa was available for 5m. Don't agree about Remy because he would be too lightweight in games like today too.

Dzeko looks pissed off to be playing second or third fiddle at City and we should go and get himAs for people suggesting Podolski and Wally can play the lone striker, back to goal role.......words fail me

Sh*tty sell what is still a very good striker to us....you might want to shine that words fail me light on yourself too mate

Seems like I must have pissed on your chips during one of your dreams. Not interested in thread hijacking here and Armchair and I were warned about it before. If you want to spend the next 30 pages deliberately taking the contrary view when I make reasoned posts then I'll let the MODs decide

I suppose you're still dreaming of Falcao or one of the other 'sensible' suggestions ?

I turned your own phrase back on you and you get pissy.
If me objecting to the way you come on everytime we lose and spout the same stuff or even when we win is enough to get you throwing a hissy then fine.

For the record, I've always been realistic about my expectations, anyone who reads my sh*t knows it but to watch us and do nothing but lay into us all the time, makes me wonder why you don't just give football a rest for a while.

You are constant Mr Angry and I don't know about others on here but for me I think give it a rest for a bit.

But in the end you are entitle to your opinion but some days like today I can't be arsed to listen to it with out objecting to it.

By the way I'd rather dream about Falcao's missus than him ...check her out if you can Hubba,Hubba

No one has pissed on my chips, I'm actually about to have a really nice curry. Might put me in a better mood.

No thread hijacking here mate just someone deciding to take you up on some of your more contrary ideas. If the mods think there's anything wrong with one iota of anything I've said today, then feel free to ban me.

I'm off for a curry.....Enjoy say we are top of the league said we are top of the league

[SteveO 35]

Enjoy your curry

Hope its not too fucking hot or I'll be hosing you down....Mr Angry

Just don't see how a pacy, on the shoulder player like Walcott or a second striker like Podolski could be expected to play the lone striker role that Giroud does.....that's all. To my mind Dzeko would be available - City can't keep all their strikers happy and we live in an age where if the player wants out, he gets out. They'd never sell us Aguero or Yaya Toure even if we offered all the money we had in the bank and more but I think they're as fickle a team as any in the world and given the chance to offload Dzeko and bring in their latest plaything.......I don't think its as unreasonable as you suggest........certainly more realistic than Falcao who has been mentioned around these parts by more than a few

One thing's for certain.....if we have to play more than a handful of games with the clown prince of Denmark up front we are fucked

[donaldo]

Enjoy your curry

Hope its not too fucking hot or I'll be hosing you down....Mr Angry

Just don't see how a pacy, on the shoulder player like Walcott or a second striker like Podolski could be expected to play the lone striker role that Giroud does.....that's all. To my mind Dzeko would be available - City can't keep all their strikers happy and we live in an age where if the player wants out, he gets out. They'd never sell us Aguero or Yaya Toure even if we offered all the money we had in the bank and more but I think they're as fickle a team as any in the world and given the chance to offload Dzeko and bring in their latest plaything.......I don't think its as unreasonable as you suggest........certainly more realistic than Falcao who has been mentioned around these parts by more than a few

One thing's for certain.....if we have to play more than a handful of games with the clown prince of Denmark up front we are fucked

Dream on SteveO.City wont sell us Dzeko the same as Utd wouldmt sell us Rooney Liverpool sell us Suarez and Chelsea let us have Ba.No team with ambition sells to their rivals only us

[SteveO 35]

Enjoy your curry

Hope its not too fucking hot or I'll be hosing you down....Mr Angry

Just don't see how a pacy, on the shoulder player like Walcott or a second striker like Podolski could be expected to play the lone striker role that Giroud does.....that's all. To my mind Dzeko would be available - City can't keep all their strikers happy and we live in an age where if the player wants out, he gets out. They'd never sell us Aguero or Yaya Toure even if we offered all the money we had in the bank and more but I think they're as fickle a team as any in the world and given the chance to offload Dzeko and bring in their latest plaything.......I don't think its as unreasonable as you suggest........certainly more realistic than Falcao who has been mentioned around these parts by more than a few

One thing's for certain.....if we have to play more than a handful of games with the clown prince of Denmark up front we are fucked

Dream on SteveO.City wont sell us Dzeko the same as Utd wouldmt sell us Rooney Liverpool sell us Suarez and Chelsea let us have Ba.No team with ambition sells to their rivals only us

Rooney is one of United's 2 main strikers, Suarez is Liverpool's one world class player and after Chelsea sent out Lukaku, Ba became their natural second choice to Torres

Dzeko is surplus to requirements at City as Negredo and Aguero will be consistently ahead of him in the pecking order

Might be a long shot but I agree we have no chance on the others so worth stirring up the interest

The issue we have is that teams are even less likely to sell to a rival in January so I think the opportunity to sign the player we needed has passed for another season

[Glitch33]

Thought Gnabry looked lively when he came on. Could have done with that pace and width earlier in the game.

Still top of the league and even more players to come back from injury and sickness.

Jesus , how half full is your glass.

We turned up at a stadium where for the first time only their strikers were better than what we had on offer, we gift them a cheap f**king goal, we then proceed to give away the ball with every second pass, sometimes we don't even get that far, we get scent of a goal and instead of shooting, we wait till the w**kers get everybody behind the ball, then shoot, we roll over for a team that the Dortmund team we just played would goose 10 times over and you talk about top of the league.

With all due respect mate F**K THE LEAGUE POSITION

This was a chance to put them in their place and bury them for the season and with a good team out there bar the BFG, we BOTTLED it.

If you are happy with the league position, just think this, we couldn't get round a slow Evra, a liability Johnny Evans, a sh*te defensively Valencia,. A midfield with Phil Jones FFS. Our dynamic midfield and they all just wilted in the face of Phil f**king Jones. . That c**t probably got MOTM even though he wasn't really worked..

Oh well at least we are top of the league in November. I'm off to Islington town hall, I hear there'll be an open top bus parade tomorrow morning

Great. If they are really that bad then they have no chance of overtaking us do they?

My glass is usually half empty. I gave up my season tickets because Wenger lost his magic and watching the same old problems every week was depressing.

I felt optimistic going into this game and I expected better. I still thought we would get back into it in the second half but we had the usual problem of loads of possession and no end product. More investment is needed but we all know that.

The squad is thin but we had two good results before this game and we were not humiliated at OT, far from it.

So yes my glass is half full today and just pointing out that we are still top of the league. Which in anyone's money is surely where you aspire to be. If not then where the fuck do you think the best spot is right now?

[1989]

"I think it speaks for itself. I played there eight years and had a fantastic time there. I have respect for the fans, the players, the manager and the whole club."

[SteveO 35]

"I think it speaks for itself. I played there eight years and had a fantastic time there. I have respect for the fans, the players, the manager and the whole club."

Eight years in which he won 1 FA Cup as a bit part player when we had world class players

In 1 year at United he won something he could have tried and failed to win for another 10 years under Wenger

[1989]

That's not the point?

The quotes were from last season, in response to why he didn't celebrate against us. Gave it large today though didn't he, the lying judas scum.