Jack Wilshere

[goonersid]

You can say whatever the fuck you like, but his comments are racist end of..

No - it's not 'end of' just because YOU think it is!!

Really ? Well let's put it this way, his views would fit in well at the BNP, so your thoughts on this fine bunch of human beings?

[EC3]

Racist ?...............some of you people need to get real.

He's entitled to his opinion, christ knows enough posters on here never tire of giving their opinions on each and every subject.

[worthing_gooner]

Racist? Really? If you think Jack's comments were racist you need to take a deep breath and then a long hard look at yourself.

Jack said he feels that adults who move to a country and qualify for a British passport shouldn't be able to play for England. I agree with that. This United player lived in Belgium until he was 16 or whatever, moves over here and can qualify for a British passport, so suddenly he should be allowed to play for England? He's not English, he's Belgian. So no, he shouldn't be allowed to play for England.

If you were born in Belgium and moved here at a year old and were brought up in England, similar to Mo or Zaha then fair enough, but there is a line to be drawn. That's not racist, it's opinion and if you can't handle a different opinion that's your problem.

Should Arteta be playing for England as well now? Would anyone say he was English? No, he's Spanish, and therefore he shouldn't play for England. It's not that difficult.

[kiwomya]

Next there'll be some sort of "International deadline day" and Sky Sports will be camped outside the passport office seeing who sides with who.

[I Hate Hleb]

You can say whatever the fuck you like, but his comments are racist end of..

No - it's not 'end of' just because YOU think it is!!

Really ? Well let's put it this way, his views would fit in well at the BNP, so your thoughts on this fine bunch of human beings?

So only right wing groups and their sympathisers have those opinions then? What utter nonsense!! Indeed, given some of the vitriolic things you've written on here in the past people could be forgiven for thinking your views would fit in well with Tottenham supporters and other haters of Arsenal!! Then again it's easy to throw labels about isn't it?

[goonersid]

You can say whatever the fuck you like, but his comments are racist end of..

No - it's not 'end of' just because YOU think it is!!

Really ? Well let's put it this way, his views would fit in well at the BNP, so your thoughts on this fine bunch of human beings?

So only right wing groups and their sympathisers have those opinions then? What utter nonsense!! Indeed, given some of the vitriolic things you've written on here in the past people could be forgiven for thinking your views would fit in well with Tottenham supporters and other haters of Arsenal!! Then again it's easy to throw labels about isn't it?

At the end of the day he is denying someone their right by law to be English and their access to something that that would incur. And refusing to accept that right by law, that whichever way you look at it is a racist comment. I grant one made through pure ignorance of what he was insinuating, merely adding to his ever increasing apparent stupidity.
As for a hater of Arsenal? I can assure you I'm not, but I'm also not willing to defend the indensible, were these comments made by "lets say" fat frank then I bet 99% of those defending Wilshire on here would be giving Lampard what for.

[safcftm]

Its not a racist point of view at all. I don't even think that it is denying someone the "right to be English". If you are born abroad and don't have English parents can you ever be English? You could certainly get British citizenship but that means you are entitled to legally live in the United Kingdom, it doesn't make you English. It could be argued that the only people who can claim "Englishness" and therefore the right to play for England should be those born there or those who have parents who were born there (FIFA obviously extend that to grandparents as well). I'd go along with that but would make a case for people who have become British citizens and who arrived before a certain age (which would have to be debated) or for a certain reason (such as to escape persecution) to be allowed. I don't think denying Januzaj, for example, the right to play for England would be illegal in any way, shape or form however, even if he is granted British citizenship he isn't British, he moved here at 15 purely to play football, citizenship alone shouldn't be enough to let you play for England.

[TurnipMasher]

All this because some skinny kid had one good game for the mancs...

[goonersid]

Its not a racist point of view at all. I don't even think that it is denying someone the "right to be English". If you are born abroad and don't have English parents can you ever be English? You could certainly get British citizenship but that means you are entitled to legally live in the United Kingdom, it doesn't make you English. It could be argued that the only people who can claim "Englishness" and therefore the right to play for England should be those born there or those who have parents who were born there (FIFA obviously extend that to grandparents as well). I'd go along with that but would make a case for people who have become British citizens and who arrived before a certain age (which would have to be debated) or for a certain reason (such as to escape persecution) to be allowed. I don't think denying Januzaj, for example, the right to play for England would be illegal in any way, shape or form however, even if he is granted British citizenship he isn't British, he moved here at 15 purely to play football, citizenship alone shouldn't be enough to let you play for England.

What if he's shite as well, surely that would be enough

[augie]

All this because some skinny kid had one good game for the mancs...

And thats the crux of this issue - wilshere is 100% right when he says that guys like this kid shouldnt be allowed to play for england but, whether some of ye like it or not, he didnt just leave it at that and suggested that nobody born outside of england should be allowed to play for them and I cannot agree with him on that.

[GranadaJoe]

You can say whatever the fuck you like, but his comments are racist end of..

No - it's not 'end of' just because YOU think it is!!

Really ? Well let's put it this way, his views would fit in well at the BNP, so your thoughts on this fine bunch of human beings?

So only right wing groups and their sympathisers have those opinions then? What utter nonsense!! Indeed, given some of the vitriolic things you've written on here in the past people could be forgiven for thinking your views would fit in well with Tottenham supporters and other haters of Arsenal!! Then again it's easy to throw labels about isn't it?

At the end of the day he is denying someone their right by law to be English and their access to something that that would incur. And refusing to accept that right by law, that whichever way you look at it is a racist comment. I grant one made through pure ignorance of what he was insinuating, merely adding to his ever increasing apparent stupidity.
As for a hater of Arsenal? I can assure you I'm not, but I'm also not willing to defend the indensible, were these comments made by "lets say" fat frank then I bet 99% of those defending Wilshire on here would be giving Lampard what for.

I don't want to assume too much, but I'm guessing you're not legally trained. You seem to be confusing the law of the land with FIFA and/or other countries'/federations rules.
FIFA's rules may allow you to represent a national team, but it has no bearing on other legal rights. Equally, you may be granted citizenship, but if you've already played for another country you can't play for your new one.

[goonersid]

You can say whatever the fuck you like, but his comments are racist end of..

No - it's not 'end of' just because YOU think it is!!

Really ? Well let's put it this way, his views would fit in well at the BNP, so your thoughts on this fine bunch of human beings?

At the end of the day he is denying someone their right by law to be English and their access to something that that would incur. And refusing to accept that right by law, that whichever way you look at it is a racist comment. I grant one made through pure ignorance of what he was insinuating, merely adding to his ever increasing apparent stupidity.
As for a hater of Arsenal? I can assure you I'm not, but I'm also not willing to defend the indensible, were these comments made by "lets say" fat frank then I bet 99% of those defending Wilshire on here would be giving Lampard what for.

I don't want to assume too much, but I'm guessing you're not legally trained. You seem to be confusing the law of the land with FIFA and/or other countries'/federations rules.
FIFA's rules may allow you to represent a national team, but it has no bearing on other legal rights. Equally, you may be granted citizenship, but if you've already played for another country you can't play for your new one.

Correct, I'm not legally trained, but if someone has been granted citizenship, and has not fallen foul of fifa's rules on eligibilty, then to deny them the opportunity to play for the country for which they now have citizenship, would be an abuse of their rights.

[QuartzGooner]

Rights?
Racism?

Cannot see how these words apply to this.

Wilshere has spoken out and in my view has not said anything controversial...and the press have not just had a go at him, Henry Winter in the Telegraph has backed Wilshere.

All these "flags of convenience" players make a mockery of international football.

[LDB]

You can say whatever the fuck you like, but his comments are racist end of.
By law someone is entitled to apply to take on that country's nationality after they have lived their legally for x amount of years.
Who the fuck does this trumped up little shit think he is to say or suggest otherwise, maybe he is worried that if any decent foreign players where to take up this option, then "he" not being really all that good, may find he is no longer the "great white hope" of English football.
Willshire. wilshire or whatever the fuck it is, I don't really give a fuck how he spells it, needs to learn to keep his stupid fucking mouth shut and start to do his talking on the bastard football field, alas that seems to be beyond him at the moment.
He is becoming a fucking well embarrassment, and I doubt whether he is smart enough to learn any different.

Do you even know what racism is?

And you're calling jack thick

[safcftm]

What if he's shite as well, surely that would be enough

aye, in that case he'd qualify

Correct, I'm not legally trained, but if someone has been granted citizenship, and has not fallen foul of fifa's rules on eligibilty, then to deny them the opportunity to play for the country for which they now have citizenship, would be an abuse of their rights.

Thing is though, FIFA can choose whatever eligibility criteria they want (within reason). If they state that, in order to be eligible for a national team, a player must either be born in the country, have a parent or grandarent from the country or have had 100% of his football training in that country then they would be entitled to. That would prevent the likes of Januzaj (who was trained in Belgium prior to moving to England) but would not exclude the likes of Zaha who moved here at 4 years old. That wouldn't fall foul of discrimination laws and it could be argued that it maintains the integrity of the competitions (so a Belgian kid who has received most of their football education in Belgium can't suddenly claim to be English and represent the England team). Obviously they don't do that yet, but our FA would be perfectly entitled to use it as their own criteria, its not against the law to decide that they only want players who have had all their footballing education in England to play for their national side and therefore they're free to do it should they wish.