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augie wrote:Chambers is being unfairly targeted cos he is the easy option imo - in the first half his use of the ball would put embarrass a pub team player but then he wasn't the only one was he ? At times defensively in the first half he looked to be all over the place, but then so did Gabriel and I don't remember seeing bellerin play as bad since he broke into the team (bellerin's passing was fcuk all better than chambers) Can somebody tell me what exactly they expect from a guy that has limited experience (played less than 50 league games in his career to date) and who hasn't started a competitive game in lord knows how long ? Where was his more experienced midfield team-mates in the first half ? They were hiding when they should have been doing more to protect the inexperienced centre back partnership. People are saying that the reason that he appeared to have improved in the second half was that those in front of him improved thus limiting the victims attacks.......doesn't that imply that the midfield hung the defence out to dry in the first half ? How can it be the defence's fault when they were under pressure from relentless attacks in the first half, and yet no credit be given to them for an improved performance in the second half ?
I really worry that we (the fans) are going to ruin chambers career with us before he gets a real chance - many fans are still supporting wally (10 years since he signed ) even though he has only ever produced flashes of games that suggest that he can live up to the hype, and yet some fans are already writing chambers off after just 12 months with The Arsenal Chambers should at least be given 2 seasons (and a consistent run of games) before he is discarded because he showed enough early last season that he could be a good defender
Btw, it's good to see the papers picking up on Neville's slating of le cock last night before the match
Kind of agree but also kinda don't! I don't think the criticism of Chambers is unwarranted as he was absolute gash. Yes the midfield and strikers were too, but Chambers was worse than a pub footballer throughout the entire game. Gabriel at least improved even as the first half progressed and the team in general improved drastically in the second half, but Chambers just got worse. Second half the Mousers basically parked the bus, and the pressure was (mostly) off our CH's but Chambers was still miskicking clearances and getting caught in the wrong positions etc. He was THAT bad. This sounds harsh to my own mind tbh but what I saw was a footballer without even the basic grasp of what he should do with a football. I mean there are very basic minimum requirements to be a pro footballer - the ability to not scuff every attempted clearance would be one of these.
Still, he is young and he can improve, you'd hope.
We set up wrong with santi playing center left and ramsey center right leaving Coquelin totally exposed ,ramsey hung bellerin out to dry time and again as he skipped around to no effect .
Liverpool were too dumb to seize the opportunities that an untested centerback combo presented them .
Several times at corners they had lurking ogres in the middle unmarked but they chose short corner options..........which was nice !
The problem with Chambers is that last night wasn't just a one off bad game. He has been consistently bad in the games he has played and is often caught out and torn apart by the opposition.
The lad's head was gone last night and he was extremely lucky not to have seen at least one of his mistakes lead to a goal. Granted he wasn't the only one last night and I would say only Cech gave 100% last night.
It could be the fact that Chambers is at a club where the expectations are high. He may not have adjusted to the leap from Southampton (no disrespect ho Southampton) to Arsenal. I think a loan move would benefit him personally. I don't think he will go this summer as that would leave us short at the back (something we are bloody used to anyway) but maybe next year when Jenks comes back from West Ham (not that I think hr is that great either).
arseofacrow wrote:Giroud is a *word censored* and and a coward. But mostly a useless cowardly *word censored*. In the scousers pockets all game. Just fuck off.
If you post that on the comments section of a football website then at least ItchyBabaSpursTwat could quote it as undeniable PROOF that Giroud is shit.
Arsenal Till I Die wrote:The problem with Chambers is that last night wasn't just a one off bad game. He has been consistently bad in the games he has played and is often caught out and torn apart by the opposition.
The lad's head was gone last night and he was extremely lucky not to have seen at least one of his mistakes lead to a goal. Granted he wasn't the only one last night and I would say only Cech gave 100% last night.
It could be the fact that Chambers is at a club where the expectations are high. He may not have adjusted to the leap from Southampton (no disrespect ho Southampton) to Arsenal. I think a loan move would benefit him personally. I don't think he will go this summer as that would leave us short at the back (something we are bloody used to anyway) but maybe next year when Jenks comes back from West Ham (not that I think hr is that great either).
I know he's been crippled since he joined us (including that nasty, sly dig from the Orc that went strangely unnoticed by the media), but we spent £12m on Debuchy and yet Wenger seems intent on giving the right back slot to Bellerin.
Has he been written off already? It seems strange if so.
Arsenal Till I Die wrote:The problem with Chambers is that last night wasn't just a one off bad game. He has been consistently bad in the games he has played and is often caught out and torn apart by the opposition.
The lad's head was gone last night and he was extremely lucky not to have seen at least one of his mistakes lead to a goal. Granted he wasn't the only one last night and I would say only Cech gave 100% last night.
It could be the fact that Chambers is at a club where the expectations are high. He may not have adjusted to the leap from Southampton (no disrespect ho Southampton) to Arsenal. I think a loan move would benefit him personally. I don't think he will go this summer as that would leave us short at the back (something we are bloody used to anyway) but maybe next year when Jenks comes back from West Ham (not that I think hr is that great either).
Being a club which awards average joes like Walcott and Giroud 140k/130k deals and celebrates 4th place, expectations can't be that high tbh
Gunner Rob wrote:When you think that we beat this lot 4-1 at home just 4 months ago...
we are going backwards
Really? Only I had Ramsay and Mertesackofshit on SSN over the summer telling me that we're now title contenders #Progress
This club is a safe haven to a bunch of pampered, mollycoddled, pussified tossers where mediocrity is rewarded with excessive wages and Wenger blowing smoke up their arses. He would never bring in someone in the mold of Ibra, De Rossi etc (read: someone with a set of balls) because they would upset the order of things and tell it how it is. Absolute dogshite from everyone except Cech last night.
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Arsenal Till I Die wrote:The problem with Chambers is that last night wasn't just a one off bad game. He has been consistently bad in the games he has played and is often caught out and torn apart by the opposition.
He started the season really well last year, played great, selected for England and was the player of the month ffs.
Only time he was majorly torn was once by Jovatek at Wembly once and big time by Montero, but TBF most defenders have been torn to shreds buy Montero- Ivanovich was a few weeks ago.
You just cant expect him to suddenly step up after such a long time out of the team and such little experience. Of all the places on the field CBs tend to improve with age till their legs go. Its about strength positioning and nous. Latter 2 experience plays a major part.
Think people are missing the slating at the start of the thread, it was more about Chambers selection that was a disaster just waiting to happen rather than slating him- no one could have expected any different except AW .
Debuchy has played at CB for us and was Gash too. Its a specialist position, you cant sort of rock up and play it well.
AFC didnt prepare the lad as well as they should. He needs a loan period but crazy with out lack of CBs he cant go.
Arsenal Till I Die wrote:The problem with Chambers is that last night wasn't just a one off bad game. He has been consistently bad in the games he has played and is often caught out and torn apart by the opposition.
He started the season really well last year, played great, selected for England and was the player of the month ffs.
Only time he was majorly torn was once by Jovatek at Wembly once and big time by Montero, but TBF most defenders have been torn to shreds buy Montero- Ivanovich was a few weeks ago.
You just cant expect him to suddenly step up after such a long time out of the team and such little experience. Of all the places on the field CBs tend to improve with age till their legs go. Its about strength positioning and nous. Latter 2 experience plays a major part.
Think people are missing the slating at the start of the thread, it was more about Chambers selection that was a disaster just waiting to happen rather than slating him- no one could have expected any different except AW .
Debuchy has played at CB for us and was Gash too. Its a specialist position, you cant sort of rock up and play it well.
AFC didnt prepare the lad as well as they should. He needs a loan period but crazy with out lack of CBs he cant go.
He has been going steadily downhill with every game he has played since that good start though. If he wasn't MOTM or was just poor, you could say he needs time and games etc etc etc. That's fine. But the issue last night was he could not even do the basics that any player, no matter what their form or lack of games/experience, should be able to do at a bare minimum. He was that bad. Now, I admit he's young and could develop but the first team at The Arsenal is not the place for a CH to develop. A loan is the only answer for me.
He's so bad at the moment that leaving him out and playing with 10 men would be a better option that having him in our box.
For the less intelligent on here, that last comment was tongue in cheek, ItchyBaba.
donaldo71 wrote:Ramsey is not the problem Ozil is.Another half-hearted performance in a big game.But Wenger will never drop him.My mind always goes back to our best performance of last season away to City when Ozil DIDNT play.The balance was right when Santi and Rambo dominated the game.Playing Ozil is affecting Santi and Rambo because they are not being played in their right positions.
As for Giroud fecking useless but he always has been
Seriously? Ramsey is not the problem? Mate, he is currently our worst player that is getting regular starts. Over elaborates, always chooses the difficult and wrong option, always flicking and backheeling needlessly (90% of which cost us possession), his passing is either underhit or overhit. Whilst I agree that Ozil is not the greatest, and can be frustratingly meh during games, I'd have him in the team ahead of Rambo if only because he can open up a defence with a weighted pass every now and then and certainly loses the ball a lot less when under no real pressure, something Rambo does regularly.
Ramsey is being played out of position by our clueless manager.He is not a winger.Ramsey is stuck on the wing to accomadate Ozil.Its not rocket science.Its bad management
No, Ramsey is stuck on the wing to accommodate Cazorla who offers fuck all apart from the odd game where he performs. Rarely creates, doesn't score and is too lightweight for the CM position. Wenger won't drop Cazorla so he shunts Ramsey to the wing.
Ozil is not the problem. Our best system is Ramsey/Coquelin/Ozil with Sanchez LW and Ox RW.
donaldo71 wrote:Ramsey is not the problem Ozil is.Another half-hearted performance in a big game.But Wenger will never drop him.My mind always goes back to our best performance of last season away to City when Ozil DIDNT play.The balance was right when Santi and Rambo dominated the game.Playing Ozil is affecting Santi and Rambo because they are not being played in their right positions.
As for Giroud fecking useless but he always has been
Seriously? Ramsey is not the problem? Mate, he is currently our worst player that is getting regular starts. Over elaborates, always chooses the difficult and wrong option, always flicking and backheeling needlessly (90% of which cost us possession), his passing is either underhit or overhit. Whilst I agree that Ozil is not the greatest, and can be frustratingly meh during games, I'd have him in the team ahead of Rambo if only because he can open up a defence with a weighted pass every now and then and certainly loses the ball a lot less when under no real pressure, something Rambo does regularly.
Ramsey is being played out of position by our clueless manager.He is not a winger.Ramsey is stuck on the wing to accomadate Ozil.Its not rocket science.Its bad management
No, Ramsey is stuck on the wing to accommodate Cazorla who offers fuck all apart from the odd game where he performs. Rarely creates, doesn't score and is too lightweight for the CM position. Wenger won't drop Cazorla so he shunts Ramsey to the wing.
Ozil is not the problem. Our best system is Ramsey/Coquelin/Ozil with Sanchez LW and Ox RW.
Can somebody tell me what exactly they expect from a guy that has limited experience (played less than 50 league games in his career to date) and who hasn't started a competitive game in lord knows how long ? Where was his more experienced midfield team-mates in the first half ? They were hiding when they should have been doing more to protect the inexperienced centre back partnership. People are saying that the reason that he appeared to have improved in the second half was that those in front of him improved thus limiting the victims attacks.......doesn't that imply that the midfield hung the defence out to dry in the first half ? How can it be the defence's fault when they were under pressure from relentless attacks in the first half, and yet no credit be given to them for an improved performance in the second half ?
) even though he has only ever produced flashes of games that suggest that he can live up to the hype, and yet some fans are already writing chambers off after just 12 months with The Arsenal
I don't think the criticism of Chambers is unwarranted as he was absolute gash. Yes the midfield and strikers were too, but Chambers was worse than a pub footballer throughout the entire game. Gabriel at least improved even as the first half progressed and the team in general improved drastically in the second half, but Chambers just got worse. Second half the Mousers basically parked the bus, and the pressure was (mostly) off our CH's but Chambers was still miskicking clearances and getting caught in the wrong positions etc. He was THAT bad. This sounds harsh to my own mind tbh but what I saw was a footballer without even the basic grasp of what he should do with a football. I mean there are very basic minimum requirements to be a pro footballer - the ability to not scuff every attempted clearance would be one of these. 
Mate, he is currently our worst player that is getting regular starts. Over elaborates, always chooses the difficult and wrong option, always flicking and backheeling needlessly (90% of which cost us possession), his passing is either underhit or overhit. Whilst I agree that Ozil is not the greatest, and can be frustratingly meh during games, I'd have him in the team ahead of Rambo if only because he can open up a defence with a weighted pass every now and then and certainly loses the ball a lot less when under no real pressure, something Rambo does regularly. 