Brighton bumholes H Sat 31st August KO 1230

[Thynker]

For me the correct decisions are

Joao Pedro - Yellow for kicking ball away

Rice- yellow for kicking ball way

Veltman - straight red for violent conduct. He knew ball was moved and not allowed to kick a rolling ball for a FK anyway. Ball clearly rolling and he swung his leg anyway

[DB10GOONER]

For me the correct decisions are

Joao Pedro - Yellow for kicking ball away

Rice- yellow for kicking ball way

Veltman - straight red for violent conduct. He knew ball was moved and not allowed to kick a rolling ball for a FK anyway. Ball clearly rolling and he swung his leg anyway

Nope. Cant agree on Rice. Common sense has to come into it from the ref.

Pedro kicked the ball away in an outlandish fashion, the type of that gets nearly all players that do it booked and rightly so, including many of ours over the years.

Rice had the ball tapped into the back of his legs, and toe poked it a few inches while it was still moving, something we've seen numerous players do almost every game and never get booked.

Then Veltman just lashes him out if it.

Proper decisions from a ref with common sense would be book Pedro, verbal warning to Rice and straight red for violent conduct for Veltman.

Saying that Pedro kicking it away and Rice toe poking it a few inches are the same thing is like saying a shoulder to shoulder is the same this as swinging an arm across an oppo players throat to block him.

[A11M11]

Still seething !

[rodders999]

Anyone know -

1. The last time city had someone sent off?
2. The last time they were cheated out of points due to referee/VAR incompetence?

60 million people in the country, 10 million alone in London yet nearly all the refs are from
Manchester - that’s fucking bizarre.

[falkirk goon]

Still seething !

I am aswell.Hes a dirty bastart that ref..be interesting to know where his allegiance lies team wise He obviously has an agenda against us with the way he reffed that game yesterday.This season we should do a table of the top teams and see how many points are robbed of us cos of VAR/incompetence..That's us on -2

[OneBardGooner]

We often speak of agenda's and so forth in Football in that the PGMOL have an agenda against certain managers/Teams/clubs/players etc etc

Following that train of thought, does anyone else think it is pure coincidence that one of our most influential/important players gets a Red Card so that he misses the up and coming NLD against the ScumFilth?


The Betting Syndicates in Asia and so forth must be licking their lips with the way Rice's absence is going to affect our chances of a Win.

[rodders999]

We often speak of agenda's and so forth in Football in that the PGMOL have an agenda against certain managers/Teams/clubs/players etc etc

Following that train of thought, does anyone else think it is pure coincidence that one of our most influential/important players gets a Red Card so that he misses the up and coming NLD against the ScumFilth?


The Betting Syndicates in Asia and so forth must be licking their lips with the way Rice's absence is going to affect our chances of a Win.

I put a lot of it down to the shit Wenger used to give them, not just on the sidelines but he would often cut them to shreds in press conferences too.

There was a clip doing the rounds yesterday of the time he was on about no English referee going to the World Cup despite the fact that Italy and England were the only 2 countries at the time that had gone professional with their officials.

Standards have actually gotten worse since they’ve gone professional and gotten video technology. Damning.

PV4 was on that podcast with Neville, Wright and Keane during the summer and he spoke about how the players all knew at the time thatUnited would get favourable decisions in games and refs would look to screw us over.

It’s an open secret in the game that the deck is stacked, but if you point that fact out or try to challenge the narrative they’ll screw you even more.

[Gunner Rob]

I could have accepted Rice being sent off if Veltman was also shown red.

For it to be 10 v 11 after that incident was ridiculous and killed the game as a spectacle too.

Ultimately though this was an example of our limited attacking options and why we yet again won’t win the league.

[Nick Nack]

We often speak of agenda's and so forth in Football in that the PGMOL have an agenda against certain managers/Teams/clubs/players etc etc

Following that train of thought, does anyone else think it is pure coincidence that one of our most influential/important players gets a Red Card so that he misses the up and coming NLD against the ScumFilth?


The Betting Syndicates in Asia and so forth must be licking their lips with the way Rice's absence is going to affect our chances of a Win.

I put a lot of it down to the shit Wenger used to give them, not just on the sidelines but he would often cut them to shreds in press conferences too.

There was a clip doing the rounds yesterday of the time he was on about no English referee going to the World Cup despite the fact that Italy and England were the only 2 countries at the time that had gone professional with their officials.

Standards have actually gotten worse since they’ve gone professional and gotten video technology. Damning.

PV4 was on that podcast with Neville, Wright and Keane during the summer and he spoke about how the players all knew at the time thatUnited would get favourable decisions in games and refs would look to screw us over.

It’s an open secret in the game that the deck is stacked, but if you point that fact out or try to challenge the narrative they’ll screw you even more.

I can only think it's a nepotism thing, but the number of refs from up north is staggering. It's been going on for years and years. And, we aren't the only club from down south that gets the wrong end of the shitty stick. Maybe not as bad, but look at the clubs calling them. There is a definitely a geographical trend and there is a clear bias towards Northern teams.

And I'm still seething about the ref, the game, the transfer window and fucking Sterling.

I'm off to take the meds

[Nick Nack]

I could have accepted Rice being sent off if Veltman was also shown red.

For it to be 10 v 11 after that incident was ridiculous and killed the game as a spectacle too.

Ultimately though this was an example of our limited attacking options and why we yet again won’t win the league.

I thought Diet Pep's substitutions yesterday were terrible. Down to 10 and we go 5 man defence As often mentioned in game management is awful

[General]

Anyone know -

1. The last time city had someone sent off?
2. The last time they were cheated out of points due to referee/VAR incompetence?

60 million people in the country, 10 million alone in London yet nearly all the refs are from
Manchester - that’s fucking bizarre.

I’m pretty sure the referee didn’t see Rice touch the ball and either VAR relayed this information to him possibly in a northern accent or he assumed Rice had kicked it away because the ball was off the field. It’s astounding that Veltman didn’t even get a booking but again this was likely because the referee didn’t see it.

[BFG4]

The cheating by the ref was disgraceful but it's the media turning a blind eye to things that really pisses me off. TNT tried claiming that by the letter of the law Rice should have been sent off but when it's one of the medias loves like United and Liverpool, and one of their cùnts does his 10th bad tackle (while on a yellow)and receives a final warning from the ref then it was a common sense decision

[Bob Bayliss]

It was a shocking decision to award a second yellow card to Rice. Having watched the incident closely a few times, I don't think it's clear beyond reasonable doubt that Rice consciously moved his foot towards the ball. He pretty much had his back to Veltman as he shaped to take the kick, and did not have any opportunity to retreat ten yards. Veltman got up and blasted at the moving ball in the same motion. It seemed to me that Rice inadvertantly made slight contact with the ball in the split second before that.

I don't however agree that you should apply different standards when a player is already on a yellow card. Each decision should be considered entitely on its own merits; Rice thoroughly deserved the first one.

Both yellow and straight red cards are given far, far too cheaply (Schar of Newcastle recently is another example). People want to see 11 play 11. The thresholds need to be revised so that a sending off becomes the rarity it once was.

[Arsenal Till I Die]

Former PL ref Mark Halsey on Declan Rice red card incident:

"The ball was rolling when Brighton’s Joel Veltman took the free-kick, so the restart would not have taken place as it would have been wrong in Law.

Therefore, the delaying a restart does not apply."

"Kavanagh went looking for trouble and he found it. A ref of his calibre at this level should not be sending players off for this.

He should have managed the situation better by speaking to both players. Rice should have received a final warning"

[The Sun]

[xgtdec]

Former PL ref Mark Halsey on Declan Rice red card incident:

"The ball was rolling when Brighton’s Joel Veltman took the free-kick, so the restart would not have taken place as it would have been wrong in Law.

Therefore, the delaying a restart does not apply."

"Kavanagh went looking for trouble and he found it. A ref of his calibre at this level should not be sending players off for this.

He should have managed the situation better by speaking to both players. Rice should have received a final warning"

[The Sun]

Sure the world and its dog could see it, read back through the match thread and it was as clear as day that Chris Kavanagh was going to take his opportunity whenever it came up, The club should be calling for him to be removed from any Arsenal games as his bias is obviously uncontrollable. The only down side of his day was that he couldnt get brighton a win. I wouldnt go in for the saudi paymasters end of things either because our dear own Mr in game management legohead spent 3 odd years taking the beheading cash....i wonder if thats why he;s not as miffed as he should be at what decisions go against us.