THE WENGER THREAD

[mcdowell42]

Still don't believe that Wenger is the problem, however i do think that Wenger will have to speak up or go before anything will change for the better.

Taken from afc forum

[donaldo]

One of the journo's when asked about Mourinho said Mourinho doesnt fit Arsenals template as a manager.Yeah he's a winner and we wouldnt want that would we

[Steve_I]

Outside of Manure, the main reason the second half of Arsene's time is 3/4 rather than 1/2, is money, money spent by shitty and the chavs. No other reason to my mind but massive amounts of money.

Just saw this so maybe a litte bit late to react.
But there is just one problem with what you say. Arsenal finished 4th the first time in the 2005/06 season. Behind United, Chelsea and Liverpool. City? They finished 15th. They were not even close to finishing top 4 and that only changed in the 2009/10 season when they finished 5th. Arsenal finished 4th - 3 times behind Liverpool - not Manchester City. City has only been a top team for 2 full seasons.

One problem but not enough to discount my whole point I think. Yes City are but a recent addition but by your response you admit that money has got them there for the last two, which was what I said was the main reason we were 3rd/4th rather 1st 2nd. Yes we were behind liverpool on three occasions but we are not now, we are still there they are not. They have fallen we have not other than below those spending the money - on the graph above.

The general feeling I have now is that effectively I could care less. Not about Arsenal of course, but about opinions hereabout. To me [and I emphasise this is just my view as to how things come across here] the decision by many has been made and any counter point made to that decision is looked at closely for the slightest fault or small thread to be pulled apart and thus discounted as in anyway a viable counter argument from now til the end of time, in the minds of most here and subsequently the defence against those of us who oppose is just to ignore/write off as irrelevant.

It's such a pity that so many threads here deteriorate into anti arsene comments [obviously this thread one might expect that ldo ] as other threads appear to be be worth reading at times then suddenly some sarky comment about arsene appears followed by others trying to say something funnier and more novel than the last on the same line. The problem this demonstrates is that while folk accuse the likes of me as having no new arguments in Arsene's defense, the opposing counterarguments are old and tired too. Nothing new to be said by either side, never the twain shall meet. Fickleness will continue to lead to folk wanting us to lose certain matches ffs, this I will never understand, never...

[markyp]

Outside of Manure, the main reason the second half of Arsene's time is 3/4 rather than 1/2, is money, money spent by shitty and the chavs. No other reason to my mind but massive amounts of money.

Just saw this so maybe a litte bit late to react.
But there is just one problem with what you say. Arsenal finished 4th the first time in the 2005/06 season. Behind United, Chelsea and Liverpool. City? They finished 15th. They were not even close to finishing top 4 and that only changed in the 2009/10 season when they finished 5th. Arsenal finished 4th - 3 times behind Liverpool - not Manchester City. City has only been a top team for 2 full seasons.

One problem but not enough to discount my whole point I think. Yes City are but a recent addition but by your response you admit that money has got them there for the last two, which was what I said was the main reason we were 3rd/4th rather 1st 2nd. Yes we were behind liverpool on three occasions but we are not now, we are still there they are not. They have fallen we have not other than below those spending the money - on the graph above.

The general feeling I have now is that effectively I could care less. Not about Arsenal of course, but about opinions hereabout. To me [and I emphasise this is just my view as to how things come across here] the decision by many has been made and any counter point made to that decision is looked at closely for the slightest fault or small thread to be pulled apart and thus discounted as in anyway a viable counter argument from now til the end of time, in the minds of most here and subsequently the defence against those of us who oppose is just to ignore/write off as irrelevant.

It's such a pity that so many threads here deteriorate into anti arsene comments [obviously this thread one might expect that ldo ] as other threads appear to be be worth reading at times then suddenly some sarky comment about arsene appears followed by others trying to say something funnier and more novel than the last on the same line. The problem this demonstrates is that while folk accuse the likes of me as having no new arguments in Arsene's defense, the opposing counterarguments are old and tired too. Nothing new to be said by either side, never the twain shall meet. Fickleness will continue to lead to folk wanting us to lose certain matches ffs, this I will never understand, never...

thing is steve how many trophyless seasons would it take before you realise wenger is finished.we are no differant to liverpool last season,it was blatantly obvious that king kenny wasnt the man liverpool needed,everybody outside of liverpool saw that as soon as hodgson was sacked and kenny appointed but to try and tell liverpool fans back then was near impossible,they finally saw sense,we are in the same position right now,8 years of hurt is killing this club

[markyp]

thought the wenger bashing was great,at long last they have realised that lord wenker is a finished man and fan discontent isnt being disrespectful as they would have had you believe a few weeks/months/years back but is in fact a reality that we are a spent force under this dictatorship.also nice to see so many papers saying wenger is finished,whoop whoop

[LDB]

Arsenal are in a spiral of slow painful decline, a club where complacency is king and change is desperately needed. There was apparently a huge training ground bust up in front of the squad between Wenger and Steve Bould during the week when Bould wanted to do some specific work with the players, but the manager told him he couldn’t. Everyone is under orders to hush it up, but too many saw it and the story has leaked. Bould took the job as Wenger’s number two (having turned it down in the summer of 2011) on the assurance that he would be allowed to have some genuine coaching input. This happened for a few weeks before the manager became fed up of Bould getting the credit for the team’s improved early season resilience, and his ego decided enough was enough. Fitness coach Tony Colbert took a training session when Wenger was ill during the autumn, rather then Bould


This taken from gooner eds editorial today

Not that I'm generally inclined to instantly believe this kind of thing, but the way the season has panned out does suggest it to be at least partially true. Early season defensive promise and Bould praise quickly back to the usual omni-shambles with a manager and assistant that barely say a word to each other on the sidelines. The best piece of evidence however is that Bould has not come out and denied it himself, even when it was making headlines with stewart robson on his soapbox.

[begeegs]

Arsenal are in a spiral of slow painful decline, a club where complacency is king and change is desperately needed. There was apparently a huge training ground bust up in front of the squad between Wenger and Steve Bould during the week when Bould wanted to do some specific work with the players, but the manager told him he couldn’t. Everyone is under orders to hush it up, but too many saw it and the story has leaked. Bould took the job as Wenger’s number two (having turned it down in the summer of 2011) on the assurance that he would be allowed to have some genuine coaching input. This happened for a few weeks before the manager became fed up of Bould getting the credit for the team’s improved early season resilience, and his ego decided enough was enough. Fitness coach Tony Colbert took a training session when Wenger was ill during the autumn, rather then Bould


This taken from gooner eds editorial today

Not that I'm generally inclined to instantly believe this kind of thing, but the way the season has panned out does suggest it to be at least partially true. Early season defensive promise and Bould praise quickly back to the usual omni-shambles with a manager and assistant that barely say a word to each other on the sidelines. The best piece of evidence however is that Bould has not come out and denied it himself, even when it was making headlines with stewart robson on his soapbox.

I remember the game against Liverpool and thinking that we were playing strictly on the counter and quite compact. It was different and refreshing to see...and we won. Contrast that to now - the groundhog day tactics.

We may as well just give the ball to the other team when we have a corner because we never score. I think that the last was Giroud against West Ham.

I used to hold Wenger in high regard and thought that the man was far too intelligent to let his ego get the better of him (especially when it comes at the expense of the team as a whole), but clearly, he is just as idiotic as any football manager.

[begeegs]

thought the wenger bashing was great,at long last they have realised that lord wenker is a finished man and fan discontent isnt being disrespectful as they would have had you believe a few weeks/months/years back but is in fact a reality that we are a spent force under this dictatorship.also nice to see so many papers saying wenger is finished,whoop whoop

Damn - I missed it. What was said?

[DarylAFC]

Arsene wengers having a party, but there'll be no merse or Charlie

IM sure merse could get some charlie

Good to hear people like Merse and Wright aswell are turning, maybe know we wont be seen as disrespectful

[begeegs]

After a quick read of the blogs and the comments in them, along with the surprise in the abuse that Wenger got yesterday at the match, has the tide finally turned? I didn't hear the 'Wenger Out!' chants, but saw a lot of people hurling abuse at him, but not in any concentrated effort.

I have to say, if it is so, it has been a long time coming and thank God!

[corkbarry]

One thing is certain ,if Man u went even 3 seasons trophyless Ferguson would have either retired or being sacked.
No top club would keep a manager for 8 without winning something.

[goonergeoff]

Wenger should have cleared his desk out last night and do the decent thing and resign,the FA Cup should have been priority. The Yank,Hillwood,Gazidas,Wenger,Gervinio,Diaby need to fuck off now.

[Fever Pitch]

The reality is that Wenger is a dictator (a lot of evidence to confirm this) , and hence the Board is too weak to execute appropriate governance, whilst Kroenke is absent and almost certainly unaware of the medium term financial implications of the current trajectory.

the question is....how do we constructively get the Wenger situation appropriately addressed ?

[wilko49er]

Was a great manager but has had his day.

[mcdowell42]

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