Arsenal v Norwich

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Re: Arsenal v Norwich

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Rosie_titters wrote:well there you have it, you won't go to home games, to voice your opinion, but slag off the 55k supporters who pay there 50 quid ticket, to sing what they like, and you say the fanbase is too blame, when you can't be bothered to attend games, because you don't like the way things are - who's the real supporter you or them
Who said I don't go to games? I go to 15 away games a season :roll:

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Rosie.
The real supporter, would be the man with the courage of his convictions to not pay to watch the club he supports, as a means of engendering change.

The alternative, would make him a weak-willed sheep.

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Rosie_titters wrote:

well there you have it, you won't go to home games, to voice your opinion, but slag off the 55k supporters who pay there 50 quid ticket, to sing what they like, and you say the fanbase is too blame, when you can't be bothered to attend games, because you don't like the way things are - who's the real supporter you or them
Cant let this ridiculous comment go unchallenged.
I go home and away. Not every game mind. I go when I can. Mostly aways.
Last home game for me was Chelski. Paid £100 for a tic on ticket exchange. What a waste that was. Fcukin atrocious performance - even worse than today I reckon.
Last away was Stoke £35 quid ticket. Another s hit performance.
At both games some "fans" were trying to start that awful "One Arsene Wenger" chant.
Makes me wanna puke.
So if Sutch wants to avoid home games, thats his choice. Doesn't make him or me less of a supporter because we choose what we want to do.
What are you some kind of superfan or what? :roll:

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Thankyou. Don't know where that assumption that I don't go to games came from, I just choose to avoid home games and have done for the past two seasons.

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Sutch wrote:Thankyou. Don't know where that assumption that I don't go to games came from, I just choose to avoid home games and have done for the past two seasons.
Mate - he didn't say you dont go to games. If you read his post again he said you dont go to home games, which I think is true.
But it was still a ridiculous post cause you dont go to home games because you love Arsenal.

Anyway we're all a little pissed off today. Understandably so. :(

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Oh I read it wrong fair enough!

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armchair supporter wrote:
Rosie_titters wrote:

well there you have it, you won't go to home games, to voice your opinion, but slag off the 55k supporters who pay there 50 quid ticket, to sing what they like, and you say the fanbase is too blame, when you can't be bothered to attend games, because you don't like the way things are - who's the real supporter you or them
Cant let this ridiculous comment go unchallenged.
I go home and away. Not every game mind. I go when I can. Mostly aways.
Last home game for me was Chelski. Paid £100 for a tic on ticket exchange. What a waste that was. Fcukin atrocious performance - even worse than today I reckon.
Last away was Stoke £35 quid ticket. Another s hit performance.
At both games some "fans" were trying to start that awful "One Arsene Wenger" chant.
Makes me wanna puke.
So if Sutch wants to avoid home games, thats his choice. Doesn't make him or me less of a supporter because we choose what we want to do.
What are you some kind of superfan or what? :roll:

nope i am not a superfan, and agree, things won't improve until Wenger has gone...but to berate fellow supporters because they back him, is wrong. Look at the silly banner thread, for every Sutch and Babs who moan about him, there a few hundred who loves Wenger.

as i said you pay your money, you make your choice

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Babatunde wrote:Rosie.
The real supporter, would be the man with the courage of his convictions to not pay to watch the club he supports, as a means of engendering change.

The alternative, would make him a weak-willed sheep.

for me babs, a real supporter is someone who supports there club through the good times and the bad, prepared to go up and down the country and abroad and pay a fortune to follow there team.

not someone who sits at a laptop, and moans about everything, and will only support there club, when they are top of the league

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Rosie_titters wrote:
armchair supporter wrote:
Rosie_titters wrote:

well there you have it, you won't go to home games, to voice your opinion, but slag off the 55k supporters who pay there 50 quid ticket, to sing what they like, and you say the fanbase is too blame, when you can't be bothered to attend games, because you don't like the way things are - who's the real supporter you or them
Cant let this ridiculous comment go unchallenged.
I go home and away. Not every game mind. I go when I can. Mostly aways.
Last home game for me was Chelski. Paid £100 for a tic on ticket exchange. What a waste that was. Fcukin atrocious performance - even worse than today I reckon.
Last away was Stoke £35 quid ticket. Another s hit performance.
At both games some "fans" were trying to start that awful "One Arsene Wenger" chant.
Makes me wanna puke.
So if Sutch wants to avoid home games, thats his choice. Doesn't make him or me less of a supporter because we choose what we want to do.
What are you some kind of superfan or what? :roll:

nope i am not a superfan, and agree, things won't improve until Wenger has gone...but to berate fellow supporters because they back him, is wrong. Look at the silly banner thread, for every Sutch and Babs who moan about him, there a few hundred who loves Wenger.

as i said you pay your money, you make your choice
Fraid you got it wrong again there mate.
At games you are not allowed to critisize Wenger. The pro Wenger fans sing the "One Arsene Wenger" song no problems, show the "In Arsene we Trust" banner every home game but any dissent is met with "You have to support your team" type threats.
I've had this personally on more than one occasion. The anti-Wenger banner was banned from the ground, not because it was a health and safety issue but because it critised Wenger. Pro Wenger supporters physically threatened the banner organisers to the point that its unveiling has been put on hold.

So while we are in total agreement that Wenger must go I do feel you've got it the wrong way roung about "berating" fans. Sutch was merely expressing an opinion online. The actual "berating" comes from AKB's in the grounds - home and away, with intimidation and threaths of violence.

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nope i am not a superfan, and agree, things won't improve until Wenger has gone...but to berate fellow supporters because they back him, is wrong. Look at the silly banner thread, for every Sutch and Babs who moan about him, there a few hundred who loves Wenger.

as i said you pay your money, you make your choice[/quote]
Fraid you got it wrong again there mate.
At games you are not allowed to critisize Wenger. The pro Wenger fans sing the "One Arsene Wenger" song no problems, show the "In Arsene we Trust" banner every home game but any dissent is met with "You have to support your team" type threats.
I've had this personally on more than one occasion. The anti-Wenger banner was banned from the ground, not because it was a health and safety issue but because it critised Wenger. Pro Wenger supporters physically threatened the banner organisers to the point that its unveiling it has been put on hold.

So while we are in total agreement that Wenger must go I do feel you've got it the wrong way roung about "berating" fans. Such was merely expressing an opinion online. The actual "berating" comes from AKB's in the grounds - home and away, with intimidation and threaths of violence.[/quote]

well there's where you have an advantage over me, because just like Sutch, i don't attend home games, i only go to away games as well. And didn't know regarding the threatening behaviour regarding the banner. I stand corrected :)

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Chippy wrote:
Babatunde wrote:I am going to say a few things here and believe me, it gives me no pleasure to say these things, but someone needs to have the balls to admit it. I use the term 'balls' because Arsenal, the club I once knew and loved, has become nothing but a spineless, cowardly, excuse-making joke and it needs to stop.

Arsenal are in all likelihood, going to be playing Europa League football next season. Picture that for a moment.
We might probably finish behind Spuds. Again, picture that for a minute. Actually, we might finish behind Newcastle. Again, fancy that.

A few facts for you here:

Spuds wage bill is a reported £76 million. Harry Redknapp's wages are reported as being between £2.5 and £3 million a season.

Newcastle's wage bill is even lower, after ditching their high earners last summer, they now spend a little over a reported £53 million a year on wages. Alan Pardew, their manager, is drawing a salary of £1.5 million a season.

Now let us get to Arsene Wenger FC.

A wage bill that went up in the past year to over £125 million.
The manager is on wages of £7.5 million a season.
Arsenal are the fifth most valuable club in European (and world) football.
Arsenal's matchday revenue, is the highest of any club in Europe.
Arsenal moved to a 60,000 al-seater futuristic dome 'to compete with the biggest clubs in Europe'.

And yet, Spuds and Newcastle will probably finish ahead of Arsenal.

Even if just the Spuds finish ahead of us, and we get 4th, Chelski can have no greater motivation to win the Champions League than the knowledge that winning it would relegate their London rivals to the Europa League.

Arsene Wenger has every single advantage in the book that any manager could want to be competing for the league title and European cup. He has a non-interfering board. He has oodles of cash at his disposal. He has been in the league for over 15 years, so knows it inside out.

Yet Arsenal have lost a QUARTER of their league games this season.

A team in yellow shirts came to the Emirates and danced the samba like Brazil, scoring 3 times at pleasure, and could have scored so many more. Only later did I realise that it was in fact Norwich, and not Brazil. :shock:

And do you know what?

The biggest people to blame in this sorry pathetic, incompetent mess are the Arsenal fans.

Arsenal fans are getting the piss-poor team they deserve, and getting the manager they deserve.

This season, a pathetic club like the Spuds have had many many fans calling for their manager Redknapp, to go. Reason? They are unhappy at the way he faded away in the title race. Unhappy with his January transfer business.

At BIG clubs, there are standards. Not excuses.

Yet Arsenal is strangely different. Arsene Wenger has won nothing for 7 years and that is UNACCEPTABLE full-stop.
The fans at Arsenal as far back as 2008, should have been showing serious dissent, there should have been protests and boycotts of games. Instead what do you get at Arsenal?

A bunch of passive fans who make excuses.
Rubbish like Gervinho is signed and it's 'give him a year to adapt'

Uh huh. We've been waiting for players to 'adapt' for 7 years and counting.

Wenger abuses the fans with his 'half a day in football' and 'I'll do what I choose' nonsense, and jokers defend him.
He continues to do whatever he likes and comes under no pressure from the fans.

There are people who are weak-willed, and like to use the excuse that the fans 'can do nothing'

Yet it's funny, because at every other serious club, when the fans decide to mobilise and show dissatisfaction, things happen. The Scousers managed to get a whole board booted out of their club. AC Milan fans have got managers sacked. The Roma fans right now, are going to get Luis Enrique sacked.

Man United fans would never put up with paying the highest ticket prices in Europe, and enduring a ridiculous summer like we just did in the market.

In fact, not even Spuds would.

Only Arsenal fans shell out their money, do nothing, watch the manager and board take the proverbial. And know what? All that excuse-making culture Arsenal fans have been showing for the past 7 years is coming home to roost now. Arsenal have gone further backwards than anyone could ever have imagined, and it is only going to get worse after Van Persie buggers off.

And you have all sat back, paid your big monies, made excuses and let it happen. Well done. And it's richly deserved.

Wenger has been allowed to drag this great club down to such a disgusting level.
You have wastrels like Diabolical Diaby drawing sick money out of the club for being in the infirmary.
You have Denilson, Bendtner, Gervinho, Shitachi.
You have Song, who thinks he is a number 10, who has never been disciplined in his life.
You have disgusting attitude performances, where the team is a reflection of its arrogant manager - think WIgan at home, strutting out, thinking it was won before a ball was kicked.

And know what? The players act like c**** because our passive fans blow smoke up their arse and let them.

You have a bunch of comedians blowing smoke up Chesney's arse. Did you see that 'performance' today? I've seen better performances from Fabianski FFS. Pathetic.

There can be ZERO excuses for the summer in the transfer market Wenger, Gazidis et al just had.

There can be NO excuses for the thousands who will just idiotically hand their ST money over to the club and use the weak willed excuse 'ooooooh I get to the back of the queue'.

Hand over your money, and you'll continue to endorse the deterioration of once great and proud institution.

It is sad and an absolute DISGRACE what is going on at Arsenal.

The fans have the power to change this.

Stop fucking accepting 3rd place.
Stop your bullshit 'Mind the gap' bollocks with the Spuds. It's an embarrassment, we should not even be looking at them they should be shit off our shoes. We should be up there competing with Manure like we once did, and in Europe we should have a rivalry with Bayern, Madrid or Barca with the resources at our disposal.

Instead we have mindless saps showing off about 'mind the gap' when we spend over 35% more a year on wages than Spuds. Fucking ridiculous.

You've let Wenger drag us into this mess.

You can continue letting him drag us down further still, as those of us who saw this coming have been saying.

Or, you could do something about it - and you can - and ensure that NEVER EVER AGAIN, is one individual allowed to become more powerful than Arsenal FC. And that never again can one overpaid sap be unaccountable to those who pay his wages and who are the lifeblood of the club: THE FANS.

Alternatively, you can sit here, bitch about Norwich (a recently promoted side), bitch about the refs, moan about penalties, moan about the grass, bitch about bad luck etc...

And watch us go down further still.

What is it the AKBs say again?

'Who else would you replace Arsene with'?

Answer: with any of the four managers above him in the league table, the novice manager who has made a European cup final with Chelski, or any of the several managers with a better record than zero trophies in 7 years.

Rant over.

You are getting the team you deserve and the manager you deserve.

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Excellent post. I agree with 99% of it, if you could keep up this standard without the gratuitous insults to everyone around you, you'd be one of the best posters on here.
I'd go so far as to say, that take out all the cursing/swearing etcetera, and this would make a fine article for one of the sunday papers....why not try it Babatunde......simply itemise your points...could stir the ole hornets nest - at least raise the profile of most sensible minded (Not rose tinters) Gooners frutrations and anger..

What has happended today just keeps happening, every time we think (more like hope) we have truned a corner and the team has found some bottle - Crack....as long as AW keeps the likes of Gervinho, Diaby, Djourou et al in the squad it will keep happening...and he will...so there can only be ONE SOLUTION Wenger HAS To Go...

We are NOT fans in AW's and the Boards eyes we are customers, and have been for some time now - mind you that applies to most prem clubs now - whom they know 'Love' the club - and find it hard to turn away from - even though we are paying for the insult of watching a team of whom onl;y 3 maybe 4 players give their all - even when losing or playing badly.......

I guess it is a bit like loving someone but knowing you can't be with them any more...it HURTS!...and eventually you have to walk away - at least till a friendship or understanding can be found - and that won't happen till Wenger -who is like a napoleon is Gone!


Man it Feckin' HURTS :cry: :banghead: :cry: :banghead: :cry:

Why is it 'we' can see the problems cause AND a Solution...yet no fecker takes any notice???

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OneBardGooner wrote:
Why is it 'we' can see the problems cause AND a Solution...yet no fecker takes any notice???
Simples. Theres too much money being made screwing us fans and fobbing us off with broken promises and false dawns. The cnuts dont wanna rock the boat. Their attitude is - "If its not broke, dont fix it"

So maybe not making the top four could be a wake up call and quite possibly the best thing that has happened to our club in years. Like I said - Every cloud............

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Dan_85 wrote:Spineless, gutless, pathetic, bottling performance and the worst thing is it wasn't at all a surprise. Our attitude fucking stinks & we can't deal with pressure. Not a chance of us ever winning the league again under Wenger, no killer instinct. Gervinho is so bad, cut our losses now & get what we can for him. Ramsey is a total plodder who always wants 3 touches too many. When Ox replaced him it all changed, the kid actually wants to take people on & drive towards goal. Of course that's all well & good but if you can't hold it together at the back as well its pointless. I've been saying for a while that its no longer the personnel in our back 4 to blame, its the fact they get absolutely zero defensive coaching. I'd get George Graham & Martin Keown in to drill them relentlessly.

I fully agree Dan.

Our midfield had no pace, passion,guts, tenacity or fight in them. At half time I doubt if they had broken sweat, we were so pedestrian,

As you said, no suprise at all.

Wenger can do no wrong in his eyes, it is laways someone else's fault.

Suprised how many stayed for the lap of shame - Wenger was waving away :banghead: :banghead:

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armchair supporter wrote:"So maybe not making the top four could be a wake up call and quite possibly the best thing that has happened to our club in years. Like I said - Every cloud............
That is the only positive thing that I can come up with.

Wenger will not have achieved his objective (and large bonus) of Champions League football and the cash that rakes in to the club coffers so questions will have to be asked of his performances.

He will hate having to answer to Gazidis / Kronke about his failure and will get the hump and throw a waterbottle in Gazidis' face and get the boot.

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The thing with not making the CL is that the board will bank the cash and make minimal, if any, signings to cover the shortfall. All at a time when we need to splash it most.

I just fucking wish we were more concerned as a club with the football side of things rather than the bank accounts. If I was on that board it would be fucking killing me to see spurs making better signings and doing better than us, but these *word censored* really don't seem to care so long as their bank accounts are profiting nicely.

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