Flamini

[kiwomya]

If he's motivated by money and is happy to warm the bench somewhere then his performances don't show it - isn't that the most important thing at the moment?

Milan offered him a new 2 year deal and he turned it down. If he was so comfortable then i'd have expected him to have signed it.

[augie]

If he's motivated by money and is happy to warm the bench somewhere then his performances don't show it - isn't that the most important thing at the moment?

Milan offered him a new 2 year deal and he turned it down. If he was so comfortable then i'd have expected him to have signed it.

Milan offered him a 2 year deal on a much reduced rate - see a pattern developing here ?

[DB10GOONER]

So, just to set the cat amongst the pigeons....

I was thinking about the Flamoney situation and it struck me that on here the people that seem most offended by how he left last time are (mostly) the same people that praised RVJC for going to Manure. I find this a bit odd to be honest.

Whilst I mostly agree with g88ner's points about players now being employees and no more no less, for me RVJC actually "betrayed" The Arsenal because he "owed" us. He sat on the treatment table for 7 years and had no problem with our ambition in all that time. None whatsoever. I wonder why? Then he has that one fantastic season of full fitness and promptly cashes it in for a move to Manure. Now, for me, I feel he owed the club. You know, the club that stuck by him and paid him millions whilst he delivered fuck all in return? The club that didn't ditch him 4 or 5 years into his injury prone time with us? Because if we'd ditched him at that stage I reckon it would not have been Manure he'd have gone to tbh...

Now compare Flamoney. He had a blinder for us in 2006 in the CL and then gets "thanked" by Arsene by being dropped for the final. We tried to offload him to Brum ffs. He never whined in the press about not always playing and always gave 100% when selected. Then he had a blinder all season partnering Cesc in his last season, and there is no denying he was an integral part of our (ultimately futile) push for the PL title that year. He looked at wasteful shite like Hleb getting paid twice what he was on and asked for a raise. The club "thanked" him again by fucking him about with the contract talks and he got the hump and left. Yes I totally agree he thought of his own best interest, but what human being wouldn't in a situation like that? He owed us nothing. We used him and we treated him a bit shit tbh.

Yet some on here hailed RVJC as some sort of fucking decent honest hero because he left lying about club ambition and such shite when he owed us for our loyalty to him, and despise Flamoney because he left without bad mouthing us or owing us anything?

2. For most of the years rvp sat on the treatment table, we were a club with ambition - playing in a great team and challenging for trophies will keep the best players happy but playing alongside (and being expected to carry) shite players like average al, denilson, bendtner etc will piss off most ambitious players so his return to proper fitness coincides with a period of total stagnation for our club and I have no doubt that both played a part in his departure.

So what if hleb was a useless piece of crap (and he absolutely was) - it doesn't mean that the club should pay another average joe more than he is worth Havent we all complained strongly about giving players bumper rises without doing enough to justify them ? Over the course of his contract he had done nowhere near enough to justify his demands and we all know that deep down. How did the club treat him like shit ?

Knew you couldn’t resist!

Just two things I’ll bring up from your reply, augie.

RVJC joined us in 2004. Average Al joined in 2004, LegoHead in 2006, Bendtner in 2005. Add to that Mong in 2005, Djourou in 2004, Barndoor in 2006, Senderos in 2003, Comedy Eboue in 2005... I could go on....

Most were regulars (or at least getting games) by 2007/2008. So RVJC hardly fits in with your description of; “For most of the years rvp sat on the treatment table, we were a club with ambition - playing in a great team and challenging for trophies will keep the best players happy but playing alongside (and being expected to carry) shite players like average al, denilson, bendtner etc on the bench”.

I would put it to you that RVJC didn’t play in any great Arsenal teams. He missed the boat on that one.

Bergkamp left in 2006, Henry in 2007, Pires in 2006, Freddie in 2007, Sol in 2006.... again, I could go on... For most of his time on his arse in the treatment room he was in an Arsenal squad loaded with shit and only spent a couple of seasons in one with any real quality to it.

So why didn’t RVJC question our ambition in 2007? Or after we fucked the PL away in 2008? Why not in 2009 or 2010? Why wait until 2012?

Secondly, I agree to a certain extent with your point about Hleb. But from Flamoney’s viewpoint he was delivering better performances and was a far more effective player in 2006 CL run and the whole 2008 PL season so I can understand why he would look at Hleb and think “Hang the fuck on. How is circle dribbler there worth twice a week what I’m worth?” I don’t necessarily agree with his demands but I can see how he would have viewed the situation. I’ve already listed how I think the club treated him shittily in my original post so won’t go into it again.

I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one and so to paraphrase "I'm Alan Partridge"; “Well I think your comments were ill founded. They were deeply ignorant, they showed a complete lack of understanding of modern football, and simply served to highlight the sort of intense stupidity that forum members encounter from armchair pundits who forget to think before they open their mouths. But with a full and frank apology that you’re about to give us this morning I’m sure you can dig yourself out of this rather ugly hole.”

[Theoperator]

Jeez what a list of achievers for us, hadnt realised some had been there that long either

RVJC joined us in 2004. Average Al joined in 2004, LegoHead in 2006, Bendtner in 2005. Add to that Mong in 2005, Djourou in 2004, Barndoor in 2006, Senderos in 2003, Comedy Eboue in 2005... I could go on....

LMAO with some names
but who is legohead though (?Hleb?)

[officepest]

I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one and so to paraphrase "I'm Alan Partridge"; “Well I think your comments were ill founded. They were deeply ignorant, they showed a complete lack of understanding of modern football, and simply served to highlight the sort of intense stupidity that forum members encounter from armchair pundits who forget to think before they open their mouths. But with a full and frank apology that you’re about to give us this morning I’m sure you can dig yourself out of this rather ugly hole.”

I think we can all agree that Flamini is a twat for making pigs smoke.

[officepest]

Jeez what a list of achievers for us, hadnt realised some had been there that long either

RVJC joined us in 2004. Average Al joined in 2004, LegoHead in 2006, Bendtner in 2005. Add to that Mong in 2005, Djourou in 2004, Barndoor in 2006, Senderos in 2003, Comedy Eboue in 2005... I could go on....

LMAO with some names
but who is legohead though (?Hleb?)

Well, he was apparently Brazilian and passed ever so sideways. If he was an animal he would be a crab. A shit, "winner" crab. Does this help?

[Theoperator]

Jeez what a list of achievers for us, hadnt realised some had been there that long either

RVJC joined us in 2004. Average Al joined in 2004, LegoHead in 2006, Bendtner in 2005. Add to that Mong in 2005, Djourou in 2004, Barndoor in 2006, Senderos in 2003, Comedy Eboue in 2005... I could go on....

LMAO with some names
but who is legohead though (?Hleb?)

Well, he was apparently Brazilian and passed ever so sideways. If he was an animal he would be a crab. A shit, "winner" crab. Does this help?

Nah mate, seems to fit the bill for most of them


EDIT, found him, duh viewtopic.php?f=1&t=34447&p=737268

[northbank123]

DB10 I have to say your views don't really reconcile with exclusively referring to him as Flamoney

[1989]

So, just to set the cat amongst the pigeons....

I was thinking about the Flamoney situation and it struck me that on here the people that seem most offended by how he left last time are (mostly) the same people that praised RVJC for going to Manure. I find this a bit odd to be honest.

Whilst I mostly agree with g88ner's points about players now being employees and no more no less, for me RVJC actually "betrayed" The Arsenal because he "owed" us. He sat on the treatment table for 7 years and had no problem with our ambition in all that time. None whatsoever. I wonder why? Then he has that one fantastic season of full fitness and promptly cashes it in for a move to Manure. Now, for me, I feel he owed the club. You know, the club that stuck by him and paid him millions whilst he delivered fuck all in return? The club that didn't ditch him 4 or 5 years into his injury prone time with us? Because if we'd ditched him at that stage I reckon it would not have been Manure he'd have gone to tbh...

Now compare Flamoney. He had a blinder for us in 2006 in the CL and then gets "thanked" by Arsene by being dropped for the final. We tried to offload him to Brum ffs. He never whined in the press about not always playing and always gave 100% when selected. Then he had a blinder all season partnering Cesc in his last season, and there is no denying he was an integral part of our (ultimately futile) push for the PL title that year. He looked at wasteful shite like Hleb getting paid twice what he was on and asked for a raise. The club "thanked" him again by fucking him about with the contract talks and he got the hump and left. Yes I totally agree he thought of his own best interest, but what human being wouldn't in a situation like that? He owed us nothing. We used him and we treated him a bit shit tbh.

Yet some on here hailed RVJC as some sort of fucking decent honest hero because he left lying about club ambition and such shite when he owed us for our loyalty to him, and despise Flamoney because he left without bad mouthing us or owing us anything?

+1

[Step]

Just wake up .

He is exactly what we have needed for the past 5/6 seasons.

For me the best signing of the Summer.

Appreciate what we have got. He is the reason why players like Ramsay are at last showing their true worth.


And best of all he wears black boots!!., he just gets stuck in and motivates
No messing around with Highly Flammable!!

[DB10GOONER]

DB10 I have to say your views don't really reconcile with exclusively referring to him as Flamoney

Yeah, I'm not that keen on him tbh, even though I find myself "defending" him on here for some reason!

I'm not his biggest fan as he did look out purely for his own interests in the end - but I'm pragmatic enough to realise that this is the modern game, club men are a thing of the past, and I also feel his situation is mitigated somewhat by the way the club treated him after he had given everything asked of him.

I just find it strange that he is so vilified by some fans and yet some of those same fans hailed RVJC for "doing the right thing for the good of Arsenal by showing up our lack of ambition" which is just a load of bollocks and lies from RVJC, who as I've stated owed us loyalty for carrying his injured hole for year after year with next to no return.

I do however think we got a reasonable deal getting Flamoney in on a free. It adds a bit of steel to the team and the squad which we've all been crying out for. He has done well so far. I'm not that obsessed with who the player is anymore, just if they can do a job for Arsenal. He is doing a reasonable job.

But I'll also qualify that with saying I honestly still believe Flamoney will cost us something big with a rash foul or a red card... cannot get past that gut feeling...

[DB10GOONER]

I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one and so to paraphrase "I'm Alan Partridge"; “Well I think your comments were ill founded. They were deeply ignorant, they showed a complete lack of understanding of modern football, and simply served to highlight the sort of intense stupidity that forum members encounter from armchair pundits who forget to think before they open their mouths. But with a full and frank apology that you’re about to give us this morning I’m sure you can dig yourself out of this rather ugly hole.”

I think we can all agree that Flamini is a twat for making pigs smoke.

Ahhh... you too have seen the big eared boys on farms...

[Herd]

Hleb, as irritating as he was, was an established international player (albeit for Belarus) whilst flamoney had one international substitute appearance (in a friendly) at that point and only has a total of 3 caps now. Hleb was an established starter for us at the time whilst flamoney was largely a bit part player at the club prior to that last season. How the fcuk the guy had the cheek to look for parity with the top earners at the club at that time baffles me ? I'd love to know at what stage you are suggesting that he signed the contract with Milan - I know wenker at the time suggested, right until the end, that he was confident that flamoney would stay but your post seems to suggest that he knew otherwise :

Auguie I wasnt making his case ,Im telling you what happened.
From memory he signed sometime in April a week or so after we went out of the CL to the Mickeys ,
When Wenger found out he thretended to quit and Edelman was ousted shortly afterwards !

Personally ,I'd have paid him 65 K all day long, he was a country mile better than hleb and as for bieng a bit part he ran the show that season which is why others wanted him ! ! !
We were very close to going all the way that year in the league and only imploded after the Eduardo catastrophe
at Brum .
In the CL we also were going well untill we blew up in Liverpool !
One of my biggest problems with wenger was how he didnt sign a replacement for the shit diarra in January and how he handled Gallas and the team after Birmingham !

[kiwomya]

Hleb, as irritating as he was, was an established international player (albeit for Belarus) whilst flamoney had one international substitute appearance (in a friendly) at that point and only has a total of 3 caps now. Hleb was an established starter for us at the time whilst flamoney was largely a bit part player at the club prior to that last season. How the fcuk the guy had the cheek to look for parity with the top earners at the club at that time baffles me ? I'd love to know at what stage you are suggesting that he signed the contract with Milan - I know wenker at the time suggested, right until the end, that he was confident that flamoney would stay but your post seems to suggest that he knew otherwise :

Auguie I wasnt making his case ,Im telling you what happened.
From memory he signed sometime in April a week or so after we went out of the CL to the Mickeys ,
When Wenger found out he thretended to quit and Edelman was ousted shortly afterwards !

Personally ,I'd have paid him 65 K all day long, he was a country mile better than hleb and as for bieng a bit part he ran the show that season which is why others wanted him ! ! !
We were very close to going all the way that year in the league and only imploded after the Eduardo catastrophe
at Brum .
In the CL we also were going well untill we blew up in Liverpool !
One of my biggest problems with wenger was how he didnt sign a replacement for the shit diarra in January and how he handled Gallas and the team after Birmingham !

We had Song, Flamini and Gilberto - that was the whole reason Diarra left because he couldn't get in the side...

[donaldo]

Hleb, as irritating as he was, was an established international player (albeit for Belarus) whilst flamoney had one international substitute appearance (in a friendly) at that point and only has a total of 3 caps now. Hleb was an established starter for us at the time whilst flamoney was largely a bit part player at the club prior to that last season. How the fcuk the guy had the cheek to look for parity with the top earners at the club at that time baffles me ? I'd love to know at what stage you are suggesting that he signed the contract with Milan - I know wenker at the time suggested, right until the end, that he was confident that flamoney would stay but your post seems to suggest that he knew otherwise :

Auguie I wasnt making his case ,Im telling you what happened.
From memory he signed sometime in April a week or so after we went out of the CL to the Mickeys ,
When Wenger found out he thretended to quit and Edelman was ousted shortly afterwards !

Personally ,I'd have paid him 65 K all day long, he was a country mile better than hleb and as for bieng a bit part he ran the show that season which is why others wanted him ! ! !
We were very close to going all the way that year in the league and only imploded after the Eduardo catastrophe
at Brum .
In the CL we also were going well untill we blew up in Liverpool !
One of my biggest problems with wenger was how he didnt sign a replacement for the shit diarra in January and how he handled Gallas and the team after Birmingham !

We had Song, Flamini and Gilberto - that was the whole reason Diarra left because he couldn't get in the side...

And the following season only Song was there