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augie wrote:Haven't seen any of the game (went to watch my kids game instead), but from reading the various comments on the Gabriel sending off, I am a bit confused
Steve O are saying that Gabriel should not have been sent off at all ? Most of your (and a few others too) defence of Gabriel seems to focus on the fact that costa's conduct was far worse, but does that mean that you would not be angry if dein sent both players off ?? For me there is a big difference between claiming that Gabriel should not have been sent off, and arguing that costa deserved to go first/too - as I said, I haven't seen any of it but it does seem to me that your defence of the guy is based more on what costa did than on what Gabriel did or didn't do
The sending off was petty but probably to the letter of the law.
The game hadn't restarted so it wasn't related to football at all.
Unless more camera angles have become available, it wasn't captured. All we saw was Gabriel standing directly in front of Costa and presumably step on/backheel costa. Stupidly, the ref was a yard away and looking at Gabriel's feet and deemed it a red card offence.
Obviously it wouldn't have hurt Costa but he looked horrified and Mike Dean pulled out the red.
Ridiculous. Petty. Childish. Sums up one of the ugly sides of football; players trying to get each other sent off.
Obviously Costa should have been sent off before but the ref clearly didn't see it as we did on TV so it's irrelevant. He can only give what he sees and Gabriel gave him a perfect view.
Just a coupe of points I want to make about today:
1. I despise Wenger, but how anyone could blame him for today is beyond me. Heading into HT we were doing well, and the Gabriel sending off changed the game.
2. Mike Dean was laughable, it was clear that Costa was out of control and even a small bit of pre match homework would have told the ref to watch out for Costa lashing out, as it happens every game.
3. I hope those 'fans' who were cheering for Fabregas when he returned last season feel stupid now, as he was a little prick today. Getting in the refs face over to encourage Gabriel being sent off, and rolling around diving when Cazorla tackled him, he is a little cheating wanker.
4. What does it say about our players that after knowing Costa had cheated and got one of their teammates sent off, they didn't do anything different in the 2nd half, they didn't look to antagonise him, or anything, they just reacted like it's normal. I know modern day professionals have little affinity for the teams they represent, but our lot clearly couldn't give a fuck.
augie wrote:Haven't seen any of the game (went to watch my kids game instead), but from reading the various comments on the Gabriel sending off, I am a bit confused
Steve O are saying that Gabriel should not have been sent off at all ? Most of your (and a few others too) defence of Gabriel seems to focus on the fact that costa's conduct was far worse, but does that mean that you would not be angry if dein sent both players off ?? For me there is a big difference between claiming that Gabriel should not have been sent off, and arguing that costa deserved to go first/too - as I said, I haven't seen any of it but it does seem to me that your defence of the guy is based more on what costa did than on what Gabriel did or didn't do
The sending off was petty but probably to the letter of the law.
The game hadn't restarted so it wasn't related to football at all.
Unless more camera angles have become available, it wasn't captured. All we saw was Gabriel standing directly in front of Costa and presumably step on/backheel costa. Stupidly, the ref was a yard away and looking at Gabriel's feet and deemed it a red card offence.
Obviously it wouldn't have hurt Costa but he looked horrified and Mike Dean pulled out the red.
Ridiculous. Petty. Childish. Sums up one of the ugly sides of football; players trying to get each other sent off.
Obviously Costa should have been sent off before but the ref clearly didn't see it as we did on TV so it's irrelevant. He can only give what he sees and Gabriel gave him a perfect view.
I seen it as Dein spoke to the lino first then gave a straight red. Gabriel tried to back-heel Costa on the ankle. Pity he didnt just chin the *word censored*.
I dont think Dein would have given the red if he didnt talk to the lino. Pity he didnt consult the lino when Costa was committkng red card offences on Kos
augie wrote:Haven't seen any of the game (went to watch my kids game instead), but from reading the various comments on the Gabriel sending off, I am a bit confused
Steve O are saying that Gabriel should not have been sent off at all ? Most of your (and a few others too) defence of Gabriel seems to focus on the fact that costa's conduct was far worse, but does that mean that you would not be angry if dein sent both players off ?? For me there is a big difference between claiming that Gabriel should not have been sent off, and arguing that costa deserved to go first/too - as I said, I haven't seen any of it but it does seem to me that your defence of the guy is based more on what costa did than on what Gabriel did or didn't do
The sending off was petty but probably to the letter of the law.
The game hadn't restarted so it wasn't related to football at all.
Unless more camera angles have become available, it wasn't captured. All we saw was Gabriel standing directly in front of Costa and presumably step on/backheel costa. Stupidly, the ref was a yard away and looking at Gabriel's feet and deemed it a red card offence.
Obviously it wouldn't have hurt Costa but he looked horrified and Mike Dean pulled out the red.
Ridiculous. Petty. Childish. Sums up one of the ugly sides of football; players trying to get each other sent off.
Obviously Costa should have been sent off before but the ref clearly didn't see it as we did on TV so it's irrelevant. He can only give what he sees and Gabriel gave him a perfect view.
I seen it as Dein spoke to the lino first then gave a straight red. Gabriel tried to back-heel Costa on the ankle. Pity he didnt just chin the *word censored*.
Ah ok. I could be wrong; it was just my interpretation. I seem to remember Dean looking at Gabriel's feet at the time.
augie wrote:Haven't seen any of the game (went to watch my kids game instead), but from reading the various comments on the Gabriel sending off, I am a bit confused
Steve O are saying that Gabriel should not have been sent off at all ? Most of your (and a few others too) defence of Gabriel seems to focus on the fact that costa's conduct was far worse, but does that mean that you would not be angry if dein sent both players off ?? For me there is a big difference between claiming that Gabriel should not have been sent off, and arguing that costa deserved to go first/too - as I said, I haven't seen any of it but it does seem to me that your defence of the guy is based more on what costa did than on what Gabriel did or didn't do
Gabriel was sent off for reacting to Costa - following the laws of the game he should be sent off. However, the ref ignored Costa waving imaginary cards in his face, hitting Koscielny in the face and knocking him to the ground....before that incident occurred. Dean fucked us over by backing the home team again in a big match - how the bloke gets to ref these games I will never know
Until that point in the game Gabriel was the stand out defender on the field. He wasn't taking any shit from Costa and had him rattled. Costa reacted far worse than he did - Dein ignored it. Gabriel reacted in the way Martin Keown did with Van Nistelrooy and is idolised for it
I like my centre backs to be ruthless b*stards when the need arises, but the only way I would accept one of them getting sent off against costa is if he absolutely cut him in two with a tackle To allow a renowned wind up pr.ck to get you sent off is silly imo, but he has skated a thin line in a few games lately and I am wondering if he is becoming frustrated at the lack of game time (ironically he is going to get less game time now )
Gabriel stands out from the rest because he's actually got a pair of testicles. It's going to get him in trouble from time to time but the message won't be long going out across the league that this guy takes no shit. Against Stoke some guy fired his arm into Gabriel's face and got a forearm smash into the nose in return for his trouble. Again today at a ground where we are normally routinely bullied he took no shit from hazaard in that "penalty" incident or the elephant man. Dickhead Dean didn't do his job properly and we got punished but instead of lambasting Gabriel I think we should all rejoice that in a squad full of limp dicked cowardly vaginas we have an old school player who in a throwback to our defenders of old won't tolerate any shit from any opposition player.
Give him the armband and actually give this team a captain not this shit where every other week we get to choose from our 11 "captains"
augie wrote:Haven't seen any of the game (went to watch my kids game instead), but from reading the various comments on the Gabriel sending off, I am a bit confused
Steve O are saying that Gabriel should not have been sent off at all ? Most of your (and a few others too) defence of Gabriel seems to focus on the fact that costa's conduct was far worse, but does that mean that you would not be angry if dein sent both players off ?? For me there is a big difference between claiming that Gabriel should not have been sent off, and arguing that costa deserved to go first/too - as I said, I haven't seen any of it but it does seem to me that your defence of the guy is based more on what costa did than on what Gabriel did or didn't do
Gabriel was sent off for reacting to Costa - following the laws of the game he should be sent off. However, the ref ignored Costa waving imaginary cards in his face, hitting Koscielny in the face and knocking him to the ground....before that incident occurred. Dean fucked us over by backing the home team again in a big match - how the bloke gets to ref these games I will never know
Until that point in the game Gabriel was the stand out defender on the field. He wasn't taking any shit from Costa and had him rattled. Costa reacted far worse than he did - Dein ignored it. Gabriel reacted in the way Martin Keown did with Van Nistelrooy and is idolised for it
You are missing the point Costa should have gone when hitting Kosceilny in the face, letter of the fucking law
This action brought Gabriel into the equation with him remonstrating with Costa, who as we know is a grade 1 wind up merchant, was Gabriel briefed prior to the game....probably not
Yes hard to slate Wenger for this as was pretty even before the incident, although would have like to have seen the acres of space on the right exploited better, whilst attacking Chelsea
"* ‘I ain’t gonna lie…I enjoyed that…Good ‘ol fashioned bruiser…’ was the Instagram message from Crystal Palace defender Damien Delaney after he went into battle with Diego Costa three weeks ago. Years of wrestling with nasty strikers in the Championship and below prepared the 34-year-old Delaney to deal with the nastiest of nasty b**tards. What did he do? Ignored the sneaky, wind-up tactics and simply nailed both him and the ball in every 50-50 challenge. Perhaps if Gabriel had spent a spell at Mansfield Town on loan, he would have known to simply laugh at Costa’s pure kn*bbery. Costa set a very obvious trap and Gabriel walked straight into it like a mouse on his very first day of being a mouse."
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* If Arsenal had been smarter, it would have been Chelsea reduced to ten men before half-time. In the eighth minute, Branislav Ivanovic was a stumbling duck as Alexis Sanchez accelerated past him; why did it take another 20 minutes of football to force the Serb into a second foul? And why did it take another 20 minutes of football to force him into a third foul that earned him a yellow card? If Sanchez had stayed wide and targeted the Chelsea captain, he would have been trudging slowly off before the interval. Martin Keown recently said that the Gunners are ‘too nice’ – any other side (and certainly Chelsea) would have intructed Sanchez to run at Ivanovic until he was begging to be taken off, sent off or simply put down.
That Ivanovic was making his 61st straight Premier League appearance should have surprised nobody; he has not started a league game on the bench since April 2013. The eagle-eyed amongst you will note that April 2013 came before the return of Jose Mourinho. Despite being made to look like the top-flight’s worst right-back by Jefferson Montero and Yannick Bolasie, perhaps Mourinho knew that Arsenal would not have the balls, nous or killer instinct to continue the theme."
SteveO 35 wrote:
Until that point in the game Gabriel was the stand out defender on the field. He wasn't taking any shit from Costa and had him rattled. Costa reacted far worse than he did - Dein ignored it. Gabriel reacted in the way Martin Keown did with Van Nistelrooy and is idolised for it
I'm not convinced the circumstances were the same.
Keown's was on the final whistle having got a point at OT in charged circumstances. Gabriel's was first half at 0-0 in a game we always lose and needed to stay cool.
Totally agree with your first point though - Gabriel was the stand out defender on the field. He wasn't taking any shit from Costa and had him rattled.
SteveO 35 wrote:
Until that point in the game Gabriel was the stand out defender on the field. He wasn't taking any shit from Costa and had him rattled. Costa reacted far worse than he did - Dein ignored it. Gabriel reacted in the way Martin Keown did with Van Nistelrooy and is idolised for it
I'm not convinced the circumstances were the same.
Keown's was on the final whistle having got a point at OT in charged circumstances. Gabriel's was first half at 0-0 in a game we always lose and needed to stay cool.
Totally agree with your first point though - Gabriel was the stand out defender on the field. He wasn't taking any shit from Costa and had him rattled.
Have to admit, I like him a lot.
Ok, the match circumstances weren't the same I will concede that point.....but the similarity is that a despised member of the opposition had been cheating his way through the match and even worse had already got one of ours sent off for PV4 wafting a stray leg his way. I don't hear many people here saying how under the letter of the law PV4 was right to walk, and how Keown had reacted stupidly. All I recall is everyone rejoicing in that horse faced cheating c.unt getting his just desserts. Keown could still have (and should still have) been red carded even if the final whistle had gone.
I do agree with Augie though.....I wish Gabriel had followed up what he did by nutting the c.unt and breaking his face. The 9 game Paul Davis style ban would be worth it to see that cheating c.unt having his meals via a straw for a month
Just play that *word censored* Mourinho at his own game. Get your players round the ref at every opportunity, bully him at all times and if they try to get to him, get there first. Sometimes you need to do whatever it takes and we don't do it. I couldn't give a fuck about how we beat them, just fucking adapt. Wanker is a clueless dinosaur who can't cope in modern football. Mourinho is a massive prick, the world knows that but how can Wanker honestly keep losing to the *word censored*. Tell the players that they win fight fire with fire and for two games a season, they will go all-out to do whatever it takes to win.
Perryashburtongroves wrote:Just play that *word censored* Mourinho at his own game. Get your players round the ref at every opportunity, bully him at all times and if they try to get to him, get there first. Sometimes you need to do whatever it takes and we don't do it. I couldn't give a fuck about how we beat them, just fucking adapt. Wanker is a clueless dinosaur who can't cope in modern football. Mourinho is a massive prick, the world knows that but how can Wanker honestly keep losing to the *word censored*. Tell the players that they win fight fire with fire and for two games a season, they will go all-out to do whatever it takes to win.
Gabriel was the one player we had prepared to do that today and he's getting slaughtered for it !!!
To allow a renowned wind up pr.ck to get you sent off is silly imo, but he has skated a thin line in a few games lately and I am wondering if he is becoming frustrated at the lack of game time (ironically he is going to get less game time now 
