West Ham v Arsenal Sat 12.45

[augie]

It's embarrassing getting out-muscled by just about very other PL team.

We had the ball taken off us innumerable times. A lack of concentration, a lack of strength and a lack of effort.

Shameful.

I read today that at the Bindippers Origi has put on 5 kilos of muscle since joining them, and that he worked particularly hard during his most recent injury lay-off.

Having watched Leics and the Scum at the weekend they both looked considerably bigger and stronger than us and they both work harder. Wham showed the same.

I know AW would like football to be as physical as chess, but talent alone is not enough. When TA6, PV4, Keown etc were playing no team out-muscled us. Now, virtually every team does.

All you have to do is look at the size of the current players (ozil, sanchez. iwobi, wally, monreal etc) and you would see that we are not a team that is built to handle physical battles Ever since we sold PV4 I cannot remember one proper physical presence we have had at the club as we continue to build around short arsed players just as we did with cesc, nasri (pute ), rosicky etc

[DB10GOONER]

It's embarrassing getting out-muscled by just about very other PL team.

We had the ball taken off us innumerable times. A lack of concentration, a lack of strength and a lack of effort.

Shameful.

I read today that at the Bindippers Origi has put on 5 kilos of muscle since joining them, and that he worked particularly hard during his most recent injury lay-off.

Having watched Leics and the Scum at the weekend they both looked considerably bigger and stronger than us and they both work harder. Wham showed the same.

I know AW would like football to be as physical as chess, but talent alone is not enough. When TA6, PV4, Keown etc were playing no team out-muscled us. Now, virtually every team does.

All you have to do is look at the size of the current players (ozil, sanchez. iwobi, wally, monreal etc) and you would see that we are not a team that is built to handle physical battles Ever since we sold PV4 I cannot remember one proper physical presence we have had at the club as we continue to build around short arsed players just as we did with cesc, nasri (pute ), rosicky etc

Sorry augie but that is absolute rubbish and a really non-thought out generalisation. Height has nothing to do with power, strength or physical presence. This is ably demonstrated by the three softest weakest players at our club being three of the tallest; the Big German Vagina, Kos and Gabriel.

Similarly some of the strongest most powerful players over the years have been short; Messi, Wrighty, Winterburn, Maradonna, Roberto Carlos, Romario. The list is endless. None of those players were dominated by taller players, they dominated taller players through low centre of gravity, strength, power and skill. Whereas our three CH's are dominated by players tall and short.

I do agree that those players you listed Cesc, Nasri (although Rosicky is 5'10" or 5'11" hardly a SpuddyEwok), Wally, Monreal can be dominated but that is down to their build, not their height.

As for Sanchez, when he's on form we've all seen him outjump and dominate 6 foot-plus CH's. I'd take short to average height players with strength, decent build and skill over tall gangly skinny players any day.

Before you respond with the usual dwarf rubbish ( ) I'm 5'8" and I've smashed skinny 6'4" CH's all over Dublin pitches for years. Similarly I've been smashed by one little Time Bandit fucker who was at most 5'3" but was built like a pit bull.

[augie]

DB10 I know that you are the spokesman for short arsed union members, but can you tell me what exactly is rubbish about the part you highlighted in red ?

1. Have we had any proper physical players since PV4 left ? Not in my opinion

2. Have we continued to build around short arsed midfielders ? I would again argue that in recent years all of wenger's teams were built around the likes of cesc, cazorla, pute, nasri ozil etc, and they are all short arsed (although not in comparison to you of course )

You can with some justification, make the point that not all short arsed players are wimps, but that wasn't the point I made was it ? I merely pointed out that the key players in wenger teams are all short arsed and I stand by that

[DB10GOONER]

DB10 I know that you are the spokesman for short arsed union members, but can you tell me what exactly is rubbish about the part you highlighted in red ?

1. Have we had any proper physical players since PV4 left ? Not in my opinion

2. Have we continued to build around short arsed midfielders ? I would again argue that in recent years all of wenger's teams were built around the likes of cesc, cazorla, pute, nasri ozil etc, and they are all short arsed (although not in comparison to you of course )

You can with some justification, make the point that not all short arsed players are wimps, but that wasn't the point I made was it ? I merely pointed out that the key players in wenger teams are all short arsed and I stand by that

I thought I had done that but hey ho. You didn't qualify that statement with anything other than they were short. Read the bit in read again - you actually say that there has been no proper physical presence because he has continued to build the team around short players. That's rubbish. They have no physical presence and are thus dominated because they are skinny with no build and have no guts or heart.

[rodders999]

Kante is probably the biggest beast in the league and he's five foot five. Our players don't get bullied because they're small of stature, they get bullied because they're a bunch of cowardly, yellow, spineless vaginas

[Robin_L]

Earlier in the season Sanchez was lauded for his effort and attitude, fast forward 6 months and he's now apparently a wallflower, "not built to handle physical battles" Keep 'em coming

[rodders999]

Earlier in the season Sanchez was lauded for his effort and attitude, fast forward 6 months and he's now apparently a wallflower, "not built to handle physical battles" Keep 'em coming

Despite having some time off with that injury he suffered around Christmas time, Sanchez has been completely burned out for the majority of this season. His game management after returning from going all the way in the Copa America last summer was non existent and even though Wenger knew he was in the fabled "red zone" in the run up to that Norwich game he still played him and bang went the hamstring. He's been flogged into the ground so his massive dip in form should come as no real surprise to anyone......other than Le Turnip.

[Robin_L]

True, the guy doesn't shirk a challenge though does he, which is what the guy's saying.

Our biggest pussy on the field is Ozil, yet he's our best player so we can afford to carry one or two, just not half a dozen. Seeing Mertesacker turn his back on a free kick is shocking, almost as shocking as a 6 ft 6" man failing to win near enough 100% of his aerial challenges. So you can have short tough guys (Sanchez) and massive pussies (Mertesacker).

[augie]

Nobody is stupid enough to think that the vast majority of our players are anything other than pussies, and that of course is a huge factor in why they are being bullied around - however lets also be honest here and admit that their physical stature also makes a massive difference (no pun intended) as to why they are being thrown about like rag dolls. Every half decent team out there has a big central midfielder who is there to break up the opposition attacks (even biscuits at barca is a tall fcuker even though he too is a pussy ). You build a team around the likes of a PV4, a wanyama, a matic and even a dier, because, especially in the English game, a powerful physical DM is VITAL and statistically the vast majority of those players are at least 6 ft tall.

Btw DB10, when I said that you can make the point with some justification, I was acknowledging that you had made that point and that I agreed with it - I wasn't suggesting that you should have made that point

[Henry Norris 1913]

despite his dip in form he's still arguably our best player

[officepest]

Size isn't everything.

We need some collective responsibility as a team. I’ve lost count of the amount of reducers that go in on one of ours and yet the rest of our bunch just shrug our shoulders and walk away. Who instils this mind set?

It sends the opposition a message that you can bully us with impunity.

[augie]

Size isn't everything.

We need some collective responsibility as a team. I’ve lost count of the amount of reducers that go in on one of ours and yet the rest of our bunch just shrug our shoulders and walk away. Who instils this mind set?

It sends the opposition a message that you can bully us with impunity.

Manager is a c.unt. and the players are pussies - am seeing a connection here

[DB10GOONER]

Size isn't everything.

We need some collective responsibility as a team. I’ve lost count of the amount of reducers that go in on one of ours and yet the rest of our bunch just shrug our shoulders and walk away. Who instils this mind set?

It sends the opposition a message that you can bully us with impunity.

Manager is a c.unt. and the players are pussies - am seeing a connection here

Harsh. But fair.

[officepest]

Size isn't everything.

We need some collective responsibility as a team. I’ve lost count of the amount of reducers that go in on one of ours and yet the rest of our bunch just shrug our shoulders and walk away. Who instils this mind set?

It sends the opposition a message that you can bully us with impunity.

Manager is a c.unt. and the players are pussies - am seeing a connection here

Straight to the heart of the matter; have you worked in football for thirty years by any chance?

[Herd]

Great to see Ty taking on the Mighty ICF in the form of a fcuking giant Teddy !
How embarrassing ,how really fcuking embarrassing !

Not sure if I told u but some years back when Bolton had a Japanese Guy playing for them I gave up my seats to a Japanese colleague and sat in the Bolton section in the clock end with my son then aged abt 17 .
This bell end TY appeared and started mouthing off to my son offering him out , one click of the Herds fingers and some clock end herdsman intervened and he went back to his seat a chastened person , It pains me to see him still being a prick .
He got a squeeze that day because we genuinely thought he was shall we say a bit special or as DB would say a retard !