THE WENGER THREAD

[sk-gtfo]

Sorry to dash your little pipe dream that he'll fire Wenger, appoint Simeone or Allegri and make us the all conquering force of Europe......

Haha if he does that I take it all back Stan!.

But isn't this a bit like expecting Jeremy Corbyn to cut the rate of income tax for the richest 10% and fully privatise the NHS.

[General]

I've had gooners try to rip banners down and shout in my face in the past saying we should be targeting Kroenke not Wenger.

I've also had them say "Its not Wenger, its the players"
or
"We've just won 2-0 show him some respect"

Honestly this hold Wenger has over people where everything and everyone is to blame except him is scary!

I would honestly celebrate like fuck if it was announced tonight that he was leaving. I just feel that almost a week later when the clueless prick at the helm allowed him to 'move upstairs' and appoint his own successor we will all then see where the even bigger problem is.

I really don't get the insistence on painting a gloomy future whiles the dinosaur is still in-situ. It's like the financial gloom that was predicted post Brexit. You can't predict the future or legislate for an Arsenal post Wenger. We may well fail once the the fraud is out of the way but that's a debate for another time. United and the Moyes saga is a prime example why such a scenario won't last for long. Kroenke would want to protect his investment once Le fraud is out of the way .

Have you actually read any of the posts I've put up here pointing out Kroenke's track record with ALL of his other franchises. It isn't some sentiment based on post-Wenger / Brexit style gloom at all.....don't even get me started on that fucking subject. It is based upon Kroenke's record over years and years - read the news mate, read what he's done to all the other clubs he's owned. Fleeced the fans, moved them the length of the country, presided over one unsuccessful year after another......and that's on his own patch. He doesn't have a European football contact worthy of the name and has appointed a bunch of equally faceless c,unts like Law and Gazidis to some of the most influential positions at the club. There isn't an Arsenal man left - just a bunch of fuckwits appointed by Kroenke. Does that make it any clearer or do you still want to cling to some child like comparison to a Mystic Meg doom and gloom type prediction?

Sorry to dash your little pipe dream that he'll fire Wenger, appoint Simeone or Allegri and make us the all conquering force of Europe......

I've read everything you've written and I am yet to see how you intend to bring about change. Any Arsenal fan with a modicum of knowledge about our ownership structure would have some idea about Kroenke's track record but the big bad evil that is Kroenke is yet to rear his ugly head at this club. When he does he will be targeted with no hesitation.

Whilst the focus of the protests have largely been on Wenger and rightly so, we have chanted plenty songs against the board at the directors entrance.

Kroenke does sack managers when their position becomes untenable. He either gets rid of the fraud or we continue to target the fraud until he walks by himself.

For the record, Gazidis was appointed long before Kroenke became a majority shareholder. That was mostly the work of Hill-Wood and Fiszman. Usmanoz had more shares than Kroenke at the time of the appointment.

[supergeorgegraham]

It's really simple anyone who thinks Kroenke is not a problem is very very stupid indeed. I could say more but that sums it up.

[augie]

It's really simple anyone who thinks Kroenke is not a problem is very very stupid indeed. I could say more but that sums it up.

Again, find me someone, anyone, who thinks that kroenke is not a problem What most of us are saying is that at this moment of time, wenger is THE problem, that eclipses all other problems - anyone who doesn't believe THAT is very very stupid

[Wilson]

Kroenke is just a scapegoat. Sure we would all prefer Usmanov. But Kroenke has made funds available, however you have to question Wenger's choice of investments. 70m on a centre half and holding player, and we are having one of our worst defensive seasons in terms of goals conceded. 16m on Perez, who simply for some reason cant get picked. I dont begrudge the signing, I think Perez is a good player, but how can you pretend Wenger doesnt have the resources when he has the luxury of spending 16m on a striker and never plays him? Wenger also has the luxury of having a 100k a week striker on the bench in Giroud, whilst he has a 35m pound striker in Sanchez on the field. I really dont get where the 'limited resources' talk comes from.

I think people who target Kroenke as the root cause of the problems are ignorant, and perhaps in denial. What better way than to rationalize Wenger's ongoing failures, that to shift the blame to an American owner. Man United fans have problems with Malcolm Glazier, yet it never stopped Ferguson from getting on with the job at hand.

I just dont get these people who think a change in owner will make Wenger a better manager. Like I said - 70m on a centre half and holding player, and we still have massive problems defending.

[Wilson]

We finally win a game, with Ozil and Sanchez as the scorers. Where would Arsene be without the players who call his rubbish out. Particularity Sanchez.

It just shows how bad a manager he is, that the player that is calling bullshit on the facade Wenger has built at this club, is the player Wenger needs most to stop it from caving in completely.

yet you still have Wenger lapdogs running around saying how we 'dont need Sanchez'. Yeah fuking right, as if we didnt have Sanchez, we literally would be down with WBA, Watford and Southampton fighting for 8th spot.

'Dont need Sanchez'............where do these people spawn from?

[EastupperA]

Mrs May is set to make a special statement at Downing Street at 11.15...apparently only used for the most serious of moments.....has Wenger been sacked?

[General]

Kroenke is just a scapegoat. Sure we would all prefer Usmanov. But Kroenke has made funds available, however you have to question Wenger's choice of investments. 70m on a centre half and holding player, and we are having one of our worst defensive seasons in terms of goals conceded. 16m on Perez, who simply for some reason cant get picked. I dont begrudge the signing, I think Perez is a good player, but how can you pretend Wenger doesnt have the resources when he has the luxury of spending 16m on a striker and never plays him? Wenger also has the luxury of having a 100k a week striker on the bench in Giroud, whilst he has a 35m pound striker in Sanchez on the field. I really dont get where the 'limited resources' talk comes from.

I think people who target Kroenke as the root cause of the problems are ignorant, and perhaps in denial. What better way than to rationalize Wenger's ongoing failures, that to shift the blame to an American owner. Man United fans have problems with Malcolm Glazier, yet it never stopped Ferguson from getting on with the job at hand.

I just dont get these people who think a change in owner will make Wenger a better manager. Like I said - 70m on a centre half and holding player, and we still have massive problems defending.

I think someone made the comment a few weeks ago that Wenger is probably more Kroenke than Kroenke himself.

I can understand why some fans are apprehensive because of his history with sports franchises in America but this club is like no other sporting organisation he’s bought into and he’d be hard pressed in monopolising us the way he’s done with his franchises. You’d think he’s dragged us across the Thames and renamed us Woolwich the way some fans keep harping on. We saw this very same shit against Usmanov before he even revealed his hand.

Since 2013/14 only City and United have had a higher net transfer spend. That’s nearly £200m and more than twice what the Scousers have spent. Some are deliberately ignoring the evidence in front of them and this is what I’d imagine frustrates a lot of people on here. A majority of our problems existed way before the parasite became a majority shareholder in 2011.

[flash gunner]

Mrs May is set to make a special statement at Downing Street at 11.15...apparently only used for the most serious of moments.....has Wenger been sacked?

Unfortunately nothing as important as that

[postmanPat91]

Had a chat with our resident Spuds supporter at work today -

"One bad season in 20-odd years on a shoestring budget, not too shabby" was his assessment of our utter shit-fest of a club

[Bob Bayliss]

Mrs May is set to make a special statement at Downing Street at 11.15...apparently only used for the most serious of moments.....has Wenger been sacked?

Unfortunately nothing as important as that

So are we going to be given a vote on Wenger?

[Retro Gunner]

Had a chat with our resident Spuds supporter at work today -

"One bad season in 20-odd years on a shoestring budget, not too shabby" was his assessment of our utter shit-fest of a club

I find this genuinely interesting Pat. You know him, I don't, so do you think he really means that, or is it a subtle way of propagating the notion of "Wenger In" ? Is he trying to get the message out there that Wenger has done a good job, in the hope that you might become one more gooner that doesn't call for him to go?

Let's be honest, we all wanted Moyes to stay at Utd, Ramos at the scum etc and if deftly and non confrontationally, we could have convinced their fans that the managers were doing ok and needed time, then we would have.

I suppose the question to ask him (although again, it's relying on him being honest) is whether he would like to see Wenger stay or go. So, not a judgement on the past 20 years, but a judgement of the future.

Any rival supporter that wants him to leave, is as braindead as the akb who want him to stay.

[postmanPat91]

Had a chat with our resident Spuds supporter at work today -

"One bad season in 20-odd years on a shoestring budget, not too shabby" was his assessment of our utter shit-fest of a club

I find this genuinely interesting Pat. You know him, I don't, so do you think he really means that, or is it a subtle way of propagating the notion of "Wenger In" ? Is he trying to get the message out there that Wenger has done a good job, in the hope that you might become one more gooner that doesn't call for him to go?

Let's be honest, we all wanted Moyes to stay at Utd, Ramos at the scum etc and if deftly and non confrontationally, we could have convinced their fans that the managers were doing ok and needed time, then we would have.

I suppose the question to ask him (although again, it's relying on him being honest) is whether he would like to see Wenger stay or go. So, not a judgement on the past 20 years, but a judgement of the future.

Any rival supporter that wants him to leave, is as braindead as the akb who want him to stay.

No I genuinely think he along with many others believe Wenger has done a fantastic job the entire time and the very notion of him leaving is unthinkable

The 'genius' of Wenger is not what he does in a footballing sense, it's how he's managed to brainwash so many people for so long

[Babu]

Kroenke is just a scapegoat. Sure we would all prefer Usmanov.

Not sure that's right. Maybe in a 2 horse race, but still...

Whatever, there is no chance of Kroenke selling up. FACT.
I "hate" the Board, I "hate" the notion of having a Board, I hated the old Board, I knew they were liars and crooks, and that turned out to be fact.
Also hate Dein now. He brought Kroenke in, be brought Usmanov in.

Sadly we are stuck with this "Board" model in the UK.

Some rich Americans want a Sports Franchise as a "toy".

The richest one is Steve Ballmer, CEO of Microsoft, who bought the Los Angeles Clippers basketball team in 2014 and who has given them their best 4 seasons to date since he arrived.
Then another Microsoft boy, Paul Allen, who owns the NBA Portland Trail Blazers and the Seattle Seahawks from the NFL, and their worth has increased massively in the last 20 years.
Philip Anschutz is the 3rd richest, with his Los Angeles Kings and Los Angeles Galaxy, and owning the building they play in, the Staples Centre.

4th on the list of richest people who own a Sporting Franchise is our very own Stan Kroenke.

5th and equal to Stan re wealth, but NOT re spending, is Stephen Ross, who owns the Miami Dolphins, and who's putting $400 million of his own money into renovating the Dolphins Stadium.

Sadly we didn't get a "Boss" like Steinbrenner, of NY Yankees fame, but what would/could have happened is pure speculation. I am going to guess though that Wenger wouldn't have made 20 years.

Also, not that many rich Americans even want sporting franchises. Only three of the 50 richest Americans own a sports team.

Anyway, blah, blah, but the bottom line is this...

Stan Kroenke will never sell his controlling shares in The Arsenal. Never. Ever.

So the real bottom line has to be...

Wenger Out! FFS!

[markyp]

kreonke's an Arsehole theres no getting way from that,hes here for the money but the absolute bottom line is that he has made a lot of money available to wenger over the years and more than enough to win a title or three,yes it would be great to have Usmanov as our owner,we'd probably be the best club In the world right now as hed of got shot of wenger years ago but ask yourself this which scenario would see us as the most successful? Usmanov as owner with wenger in charge or kreonke as owner with Allegri/simeone/pep/klopp/ancelottti etc etc as manager,hand on heart we all know the latter would give us a title and CL tilt every season if not bags of trophies even on a smaller budget,the massive problem is wenger not kreonke