postmanPat91 wrote:No I genuinely think he along with many others believe Wenger has done a fantastic job the entire time and the very notion of him leaving is unthinkableRetro Gunner wrote:postmanPat91 wrote:Had a chat with our resident Spuds supporter at work today -
"One bad season in 20-odd years on a shoestring budget, not too shabby" was his assessment of our utter shit-fest of a club
I find this genuinely interesting Pat. You know him, I don't, so do you think he really means that, or is it a subtle way of propagating the notion of "Wenger In" ? Is he trying to get the message out there that Wenger has done a good job, in the hope that you might become one more gooner that doesn't call for him to go?
Let's be honest, we all wanted Moyes to stay at Utd, Ramos at the scum etc and if deftly and non confrontationally, we could have convinced their fans that the managers were doing ok and needed time, then we would have.
I suppose the question to ask him (although again, it's relying on him being honest) is whether he would like to see Wenger stay or go. So, not a judgement on the past 20 years, but a judgement of the future.
Any rival supporter that wants him to leave, is as braindead as the akb who want him to stay.
The 'genius' of Wenger is not what he does in a footballing sense, it's how he's managed to brainwash so many people for so long
Absolutely right, whatever we all think of him, the man is a genius. He's a highly intelligent manipulator and would have been a huge success in politics. He sells his deceit, spin and downright lies fantastically well, brilliantly convincing people that black is white.
What never fails to amaze me, is the breadth of people that he takes in. If it were simply thickos in the lumpen masses that he were fooling, then I'd understand it, but I've said on here before that I know plenty of highly intelligent, successful people that buy his bullshit. Even more astounding, is that it was one thing to buy it 5 or 6 years ago, when it was still possible to fog the debate with past glories and "financial constraints" etc, but to still be taken in against the entire weight of evidence from recent years, is beyond comprehension.
As you say, it's brainwashing on a scale that makes Pol Pot look amateurish. It marks out his genius and bear in mind that he's doing it in his second language. He's a cunning, detestable sociopath.
But hey, he means well and he's only thinking of us and the Club he loves.
).....maybe your religious parallel is apt. However, these are people that are otherwise coherent and logical, who are generally "successful" in life and they are long-standing, proper Gooners. I simply cannot understand their position and it frustrates the fuck out of me. I've analysed and over-analysed this crap and have even got to wondering whether we've ended up with a pseudo Northern Irish Catholic / Protestant, or Jew / Arab situation, where feelings have run so deep for so long, that even in the face of rational evidence, people dig in deeper and refuse to consider alternatives. Forgive me if that's too much of an analogy, but I honestly wonder if we have reached that point. 
