THE WENGER THREAD

[armchair]

I've said on here and elsewhere for a good couple of years that Gazidis is key to getting rid of Wenger.
I never could understand the stick he got as it only served to take the heat off Wenger just the same as the perenial Kroenke debate only deflects from the main problem.
Let's face it. The politics and internal jockeying for position has been going on for a good few years and has now come to a head..........

The famous Gazidis quote from 2011 about "the relationship between the fans and manager breaking down"
Rumours that Gazidis signed Arshavin and initiated the Ozil deal before Wenger got wind of it.
Gazidis consistintely undermining Wengers money excuse by going public about money available.
Wenger admitting he has to "stop Gazidis from signing players"
The "catalyst for change" comment recently was very significant imo.
And now the leaks to the press about a DOF which Gazidis totally knows Wenger will not agree to.

Ivan has been chipping away over the years in a difficult position. Remember Wenger had a say in his appointment. So that in itself makes things awkward.
Wengers been there longer than almost everyone and has had a stranglehold on the club for a decade at least with his own processes and practices in place. Gazidis could hardly be expected to come in and sack Wenger while the rest of the board and fans were happy with him? That's not even possible.

Similarly with Kroenke. An investor who let's Wenger, Gazidis et al get on with it. Doesn't interfere.
He only took control in 2011. His shares are doing nicely. The board and fans have been happy with Wenger and the team. He's getting good reports and nice balance sheets. Seriously, does anyone expect him to sack Wenger?
You can see by the video from the protest on Sunday that it's loudmouth, smallbrained AKBs etc who can't see that it's not black and white. "Oh Wenger has been failing for 13yrs so therefore Kroenke must sack him" Really?
Things at the Arsenal are way more nuanced, complicated and finely balanced than that simplistic reasoning.

But back to now... ..
The protests have received great media attention. Wenger is being exposed and questioned like never before.
I really believe our protests and the bad press have emboldened Gazidis and enabled him to go for check-mate. He has played his hand superbly imo.
He knows Wenger won't work under a DOF. It's an out for both of them really. Probably be spun as "mutual consent" but if it happens it'll be down to Gazidis working away in the background for a good few years against difficult odds imo.

[Rugby Gooner]

I've said on here and elsewhere for a good couple of years that Gazidis is key to getting rid of Wenger.
I never could understand the stick he got as it only served to take the heat off Wenger just the same as the perenial Kroenke debate only deflects from the main problem.
Let's face it. The politics and internal jockeying for position has been going on for a good few years and has now come to a head..........

The famous Gazidis quote from 2011 about "the relationship between the fans and manager breaking down"
Rumours that Gazidis signed Arshavin and initiated the Ozil deal before Wenger got wind of it.
Gazidis consistintely undermining Wengers money excuse by going public about money available.
Wenger admitting he has to "stop Gazidis from signing players"
The "catalyst for change" comment recently was very significant imo.
And now the leaks to the press about a DOF which Gazidis totally knows Wenger will not agree to.

Ivan has been chipping away over the years in a difficult position. Remember Wenger had a say in his appointment. So that in itself makes things awkward.
Wengers been there longer than almost everyone and has had a stranglehold on the club for a decade at least with his own processes and practices in place. Gazidis could hardly be expected to come in and sack Wenger while the rest of the board and fans were happy with him? That's not even possible.

Similarly with Kroenke. An investor who let's Wenger, Gazidis et al get on with it. Doesn't interfere.
He only took control in 2011. His shares are doing nicely. The board and fans have been happy with Wenger and the team. He's getting good reports and nice balance sheets. Seriously, does anyone expect him to sack Wenger?
You can see by the video from the protest on Sunday that it's loudmouth, smallbrained AKBs etc who can't see that it's not black and white. "Oh Wenger has been failing for 13yrs so therefore Kroenke must sack him" Really?
Things at the Arsenal are way more nuanced, complicated and finely balanced than that simplistic reasoning.

But back to now... ..
The protests have received great media attention. Wenger is being exposed and questioned like never before.
I really believe our protests and the bad press have emboldened Gazidis and enabled him to go for check-mate. He has played his hand superbly imo.
He knows Wenger won't work under a DOF. It's an out for both of them really. Probably be spun as "mutual consent" but if it happens it'll be down to Gazidis working away in the background for a good few years against difficult odds imo.

An interesting,well thought through,and hopefully accurate assessment of the Gazidis/Wenger dynamic mate.

[armchair]

Wenger says he "doesn't know" what a Director of Football does?
When you constantly lie like fuck to hide your failures you need a very good memory

This from 2008..
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archiv ... l-can-work

[armchair]

From 2007.....
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archiv ... ted-by-may

[OneBardGooner]

Wenger says he "doesn't know" what a Director of Football does?
When you constantly lie like fuck to hide your failures you need a very good memory

This from 2008..
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archiv ... l-can-work

What we need is a journalist to arm themselves with all past quotes / statements - and so when he totally contradicts himself ie: Lies, they can nail him. How sweet would that be - He would end up cutting the interview short and fuckin' off...SCHWEEEEEEEEEET!

[Perryashburtongroves]

I've said on here and elsewhere for a good couple of years that Gazidis is key to getting rid of Wenger.
I never could understand the stick he got as it only served to take the heat off Wenger just the same as the perenial Kroenke debate only deflects from the main problem.
Let's face it. The politics and internal jockeying for position has been going on for a good few years and has now come to a head..........

The famous Gazidis quote from 2011 about "the relationship between the fans and manager breaking down"
Rumours that Gazidis signed Arshavin and initiated the Ozil deal before Wenger got wind of it.
Gazidis consistintely undermining Wengers money excuse by going public about money available.
Wenger admitting he has to "stop Gazidis from signing players"
The "catalyst for change" comment recently was very significant imo.
And now the leaks to the press about a DOF which Gazidis totally knows Wenger will not agree to.

Ivan has been chipping away over the years in a difficult position. Remember Wenger had a say in his appointment. So that in itself makes things awkward.
Wengers been there longer than almost everyone and has had a stranglehold on the club for a decade at least with his own processes and practices in place. Gazidis could hardly be expected to come in and sack Wenger while the rest of the board and fans were happy with him? That's not even possible.

Similarly with Kroenke. An investor who let's Wenger, Gazidis et al get on with it. Doesn't interfere.
He only took control in 2011. His shares are doing nicely. The board and fans have been happy with Wenger and the team. He's getting good reports and nice balance sheets. Seriously, does anyone expect him to sack Wenger?
You can see by the video from the protest on Sunday that it's loudmouth, smallbrained AKBs etc who can't see that it's not black and white. "Oh Wenger has been failing for 13yrs so therefore Kroenke must sack him" Really?
Things at the Arsenal are way more nuanced, complicated and finely balanced than that simplistic reasoning.

But back to now... ..
The protests have received great media attention. Wenger is being exposed and questioned like never before.
I really believe our protests and the bad press have emboldened Gazidis and enabled him to go for check-mate. He has played his hand superbly imo.
He knows Wenger won't work under a DOF. It's an out for both of them really. Probably be spun as "mutual consent" but if it happens it'll be down to Gazidis working away in the background for a good few years against difficult odds imo.

I think you are absolutely right. Gazidis has got abuse over the years and it's always seemed unfair to me. He's the one who's fronted up at the supporter q&a events and he's the one who's come out and said things should be better and he's tried to set targets and goals for the club. Wenger doesn't like him because he can't play the big clever man with him or do the whole 'worked my way up from nothing' thing because Gazidis is a trained solicitor, very clever and his father was imprisonmened by the Apartheid regime. He's not a born into money luvvie, he's worked his way up and has seen how life works outside of the vanity pit of football. Gazidis knows what goes on at other clubs and in other leagues, he doesn't buy into this Wenger is a genius, Professor of football bollox. He won't bow down like the rest of the board do or just "stay quiet". Wenger hates this and thinks he should know his place in his own Führer cult. I've read a few times now that the two of them only speak when company or business law requires them to do so. Wenger is a vain old fraud, Gazidis knows it and has tried to sort things. I think he's got allies on the board now and they can see it too. The end is nigh now and Gazidis may well be the one who gets handed the gun to pull the trigger on it all.

[GoonerMuzz]

Quite enjoyed this press conference for once, nice to see OGL squirming and getting all prissy at being questioned on something he refuses to acknowledge, again though the media whores missed the obvious

How could none of them come up with a quick list of highly successful clubs using the DoF format and throw that at him? He'd have really lost it being questioned about BvB, RM etc especially when they have used the DoF much more successfully than he has done as a one man band

[StuartL]

Wenger says he "doesn't know" what a Director of Football does?
When you constantly lie like fuck to hide your failures you need a very good memory

This from 2008..
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archiv ... l-can-work

Good detective work Stevie

[armchair]

Yes for someone who we keep being told is "honourable" he really has disrespected other managers who work alongside a DOF. Not to mention treating all the actual DOFs with total contempt too.

Someone throw him a lifebelt. He is actually drowning in his own shit.

[armchair]

Bring it on. Divide and conquer

[OneBardGooner]

Bring it on. Divide and conquer

What a C.U.N.T - Fucking Despot C.U.N.T.

[Gunner Rob]

"40 years in football"

That's a new one

My gut feeling though on all this is that he is using his recent "wins" to try and get the upper hand on Gazidis. It is certainly turning quite nasty....

A few losses will make things interesting..
Come on Southampton

[armchair]

Looks to me like Gazidis "catalyst for change" is actually a very clever and subtle way of sacking Wenger without actually sacking him.

Impose a DOF above him. Relinquish power. Ivan knows Wenger would never stand for that.
Just imagine Gazidis changes the structure and we actually genuinely compete? Wenger wouldn't get the credit. Gazidis would for implementing change.
Wenger wouldn't like that either.

#TimeForChange

[armchair]

Just watch how the AKBs, apologists, #flipfloppers and less enlightened start coming out with the "sympathy" crap and "dignity" and "servant" bullshit.
Oh yea, and "respect him for what he has done for the club"

Do piss off. He's digging his own grave. Fuck him he's been mugging everyone off for years fs.

[Retro Gunner]

Bring it on. Divide and conquer

This is getting very interesting. Said it earlier today that this is good news for us. I can't believe he's coming out with such overtly arrogant statements (even given his constant arrogance and huge ego), because comments like this are tantamount to saying he's in total control of the Club and answers to no one.

While that may be the current practical reality, to actually say it is a challenge not only to the board (to whom he theoretically answers), but also to the owner. Comments like this can't go down well with them. For the first time, my hopes are slightly raised that this won't end well for the Fraud. Reality or not, the Club can't let it be seen that Wenger calls the tune and they all, including Stan, dance.

Fascinating.......fingers crossed.