THE WENGER THREAD

[armchair]

Wenger absolutely took advantage of the changeover of ownership of Arsenal during the uncertainty and somewhat turmoil up to and including 2011.

Kroenke must have been happy to have someone like Wenger at the club at that difficult and stressful time. Still revered by fans, media, and board members. Balance sheets and shares doing nicely thank you and a knowledgeable world renown coach at the helm taking all the responsibility for footballing matters.
That must've been a dream for Kroenke whose an investor not a fan like us or indeed Abramovic. So really can't be judged as a fan or even a "football man"

Before Kroenke and under the old regime there was the stadium move. And who was there to steady the ship, offer his wealth of knowledge and guide the club through this difficult period? Yes Wenger of course. He still gets the credit for the move fs. Almost like he built it with his bare hands.

Wenger has used these two tumultuous events in Arsenals history to cement himself a job for life. Almost make himself irreplaceable

So to those questioning why he wasn't sacked over 13yrs of footballing failure. Well I believe that's why.
The 13yrs was divided up into two seperate, smaller ownership periods and including a stadium move. Wenger was looked upon as the one constant during this time I suppose.

Everyone was happy to let Wenger take charge and Wenger was more than happy to oblige. He was given all the credit and plaudits and his ego
and quest for power grew out of control. The rest is history.

At last enough time has passed, protests have escalated and results/performances have dropped sufficientley since Wenger "approved" Gazidis appointment that he can challenge Wengers total authority.
And as we know Wenger don't like to be challenged. Let's hope we know soon what is actually gonna happen. We've suffered enough.

[sk-gtfo]

I'm loathe to get back into the well trodden Kroenke/Board argument again but I have to say I still just find it astonishing that Wenger has not been sacked. What other job could you fail in for so long and not get sacked? Can you imagine the mousers, the chav, the manc filth, citeh or even the ludicrous scum letting a manager go 13 years without winning a PL title? For me, in a way, Wenger is the symptom of the root cause of the problem; greedy, poor and weak leadership at board level dating back to P. Diddy Hollywood and continuing with Kroenke/Gazidis.

A good surgeon would treat the symptoms of course - and also eradicate the root cause.

Haha as expected Armchair is back on his soap-box after taking the bait, like a red rag to a bull, dare to criticise our board and you risk the wrath, Wenger is a bit like Gordon Brown - arrogant, incompetent, out of his depth and very tetchy, to blame for a lot of things but not lack of world peace!.

Unfortunately Armachair cannot seem to understand that there is more than one thing wrong with Arsenal, we all know Wenger is past it and most want him out with a passion, some of us understand though that even once Wenger goes we are likely to face a struggle to stay relevant as a big player with such a c**t owning the majority of the club.

Is there really much point criticising Wenger anymore?, frankly if our majority shareholder is still backing Wenger at this point then we are f**cked with or without him.

Can't wait to sign out of football next season..

[Yankee_Gooner_Dandee]

is he gone yet?

[armchair]

is he gone yet?

No. He's still obsessed with posting about me personally, instead of my views.
When you have no argument left, attack the poster.

The ignore button is your friend btw.

[MrT]

Dick Law: "He operates every area in football. The logistics, coaches, medical team and psychology [departments] all report to the manager."

Confirming what we already know. This inept sycophant can fuck off swiftly with Wenger.

[xisstential]

I'm loathe to get back into the well trodden Kroenke/Board argument again but I have to say I still just find it astonishing that Wenger has not been sacked. What other job could you fail in for so long and not get sacked? Can you imagine the mousers, the chav, the manc filth, citeh or even the ludicrous scum letting a manager go 13 years without winning a PL title? For me, in a way, Wenger is the symptom of the root cause of the problem; greedy, poor and weak leadership at board level dating back to P. Diddy Hollywood and continuing with Kroenke/Gazidis.

A good surgeon would treat the symptoms of course - and also eradicate the root cause.

Haha as expected Armchair is back on his soap-box after taking the bait, like a red rag to a bull, dare to criticise our board and you risk the wrath, Wenger is a bit like Gordon Brown - arrogant, incompetent, out of his depth and very tetchy, to blame for a lot of things but not lack of world peace!.

Unfortunately Armachair cannot seem to understand that there is more than one thing wrong with Arsenal, we all know Wenger is past it and most want him out with a passion, some of us understand though that even once Wenger goes we are likely to face a struggle to stay relevant as a big player with such a c**t owning the majority of the club.

Is there really much point criticising Wenger anymore?, frankly if our majority shareholder is still backing Wenger at this point then we are f**cked with or without him.

Can't wait to sign out of football next season..

You HAVE to deal with one thing at a time. At this moment in time it is Wenger. Yes Kroenke might be a total prick but that lie about finances holding Wenger back is just that, a lie. Kroenke does not interfere in team selections, he does not pick the team, nor dictate tactics. Wenger, by his own admission does ALL of that...and he keeps failing. If Poch had our team from the beginning of the season we would have challenged for the title, maybe even won it. On the other hand had Wenger been in charge of spurs they would be down in 10th. Wenger needs to go...NOW. We can go after Kroenke if the new manager is Wenger Mark !! Why start worrying about what's going to happen if Wenger does go when most people aren't willing in any way to help hasten his departure??

[armchair]

Wenger mark 2 ?
Jesus are you suggesting there is even a remote possibility of another one?

Anyway, just like his supporters and apologists have had all their excuses and lies taken away from them and they are left with nothing but sentiment to justify his staying, so too are those who previously have claimed Kroenke is "milking the club" or "bleeding it dry"
As this is total made up nonsense they have nothing left except to say that he should have sacked Wenger.

They do have a perfectly understndable point with this argument but for all the reasons I have posted previously I don't think it could have happened.
Now that the climate has changed and things are going public anything's possible now though.

[flash gunner]

is he gone yet?

No. He's still obsessed with posting about me personally, instead of my views.
When you have no argument left, attack the poster.

The ignore button is your friend btw.

Who are you talking about?

[SteveO 35]

is he gone yet?

No. He's still obsessed with posting about me personally, instead of my views.
When you have no argument left, attack the poster.

The ignore button is your friend btw.

Who are you talking about?

I wonder if its the Kroenke Apologist

Apparently you can throw in that word after someone's name when you want to win an argument

[begeegs]

Agree with pretty much all of that mate. Of course the alternative spin will be:

People said he couldn't beat Maureen. People said he couldn't beat Southampton. People said he couldn't beat Stoke. People called into question "our character and mental strength" and still we bounced back to grab 4th place against all odds

The fact that Maureen played his stiffs and deemed the game against Celta Vigo more important, and that the rest were on their holidays will be lost on Patrick Barclay, John Cross and the luvvie brigade who will be out to crush all your dreams about TO1AW leaving. Graeme Souness will surely be declaring this "Wenger's greatest ever achievement" since his last greatest ever achievement of finishing in the top 4 in 2012

And there is is the first of the arselickers coming out of the woodwork. I will give you the headline - you guys can guess who wrote it - 'Arsenal on course to complete toughest mission yet as Southampton win keeps top four dream alive'.

Sweet Jesus

[armchair]

Seemingly those who have been calling for Kroenke Out don't actually want Kroenke Out now.

No. Apparently they've changed now and want him to sack Wenger. Wish they'd make up their minds.
So, he's not a "club killer" or "bleeding the club dry" anymore. He just hasn't sacked Wenger.
And all those gooners singing Wengers name tonight probably wouldn't sack him either.
Well there you go then...
#flipflop

[Yankee_Gooner_Dandee]

is he gone yet?

No. He's still obsessed with posting about me personally, instead of my views.
When you have no argument left, attack the poster.

The ignore button is your friend btw.

im talking about wenger

[flash gunner]

is he gone yet?

No. He's still obsessed with posting about me personally, instead of my views.
When you have no argument left, attack the poster.

The ignore button is your friend btw.

Who are you talking about?

I wonder if its the Kroenke Apologist

Apparently you can throw in that word after someone's name when you want to win an argument

[flash gunner]

Getting top 4 this season could be his greatest achievement

[supergeorgegraham]

Again I think it's very naive to not see Kroenke as a problem that will hold Arsenal back as long as he is in control.
Abramovich threw money left right and centre but all these years later Chelsea are massive. They have the best team but sadly for us they have the best infrastructure. Last week they signed a young player that everyone wanted. They get things done because the guy in control wants success on the field?
In terms of value if he sold up tomorrow he would get a nice amount of his cash back.
I always felt it was unfair that a team got such a financial advantage but no one really talks about it anymore and they just win trophies.
If he owned us Wenger would have been sacked 10 years ago so yeah the owner is vital to success.