THE WENGER THREAD

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Wilson wrote:Too mny people are being seduced by this run of games. It happens every year - the likes of Keown, Cross among few, start to get vocal in thier crtiicism, but then once a run of results comes along, they get on board with Wenger and talk about how 'next season' Wenger can 'put things right'.

Its happened too many times to count now.

Although, i actually think we will pip Liverpool to 4th. And I dont know how to feel about it. Because you just know the 'I told you so' brigade will come out.

We are winning games now because if we qualify for CL all the players get a bonus so they are playing them like its a cup final. Teams we are playing are in a safe position and a defeat causes them no issue so they are just going through the motions.
Both Southampton and Stoke were certainly not 100 percent up for it.

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Wilson wrote:Too mny people are being seduced by this run of games. It happens every year - the likes of Keown, Cross among few, start to get vocal in thier crtiicism, but then once a run of results comes along, they get on board with Wenger and talk about how 'next season' Wenger can 'put things right'.

Its happened too many times to count now.

Although, i actually think we will pip Liverpool to 4th. And I dont know how to feel about it. Because you just know the 'I told you so' brigade will come out.
So true Wilson :( look at our last 3..manure home and away to soton and stoke..had they been earlier in the season it would normally be 3draws at best..it's beachtowel time for the latter 2 and manure didn't give it 100% either imo.Even if we finish 5th itll be painted as glorious failure..great late run..unlucky..deserves another chance..cup final..careful what you wish for.. :suicide:

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supergeorgegraham wrote:
Wilson wrote:Too mny people are being seduced by this run of games. It happens every year - the likes of Keown, Cross among few, start to get vocal in thier crtiicism, but then once a run of results comes along, they get on board with Wenger and talk about how 'next season' Wenger can 'put things right'.

Its happened too many times to count now.

Although, i actually think we will pip Liverpool to 4th. And I dont know how to feel about it. Because you just know the 'I told you so' brigade will come out.

We are winning games now because if we qualify for CL all the players get a bonus so they are playing them like its a cup final. Teams we are playing are in a safe position and a defeat causes them no issue so they are just going through the motions.
Both Southampton and Stoke were certainly not 100 percent up for it.
And of course what is conveniently overlooked is the fact that the one decent team we played in the midst of this, the one team who were up for it, turned us inside out. All conveniently forgotten as this gutless bunch battle to save their managers skin.

Chelsea will be another football lesson, he's not stupid, he'll sign before that.

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I think it is giving our squad far too much credit to suggest that this little run of wins is because they are motivated by the desire to get their Champions' League bonuses. Were that the case, they would not have left it so late that top-four depended on other teams imploding.

In truth, it is because the teams we have played have had little to play for either because they are safe (Leicester, Southampton, Stoke) or because they have other priorities (Man United). If we had played those teams a month earlier, then some or all of them would have had our number. The exception is Middlesbrough, who had faint hopes of avoiding relegation and who have lost to almost everyone they've played recently.
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Bob Bayliss wrote:I think it is giving our squad far too much credit to suggest that this little run of wins is because they are motivated by the desire to get their Champions' League bonuses. Were that the case, they would not have left it so late that top-four depended on other teams imploding.

In truth, it is because the teams we have played have had little to play for either because they are safe (Leicester, Southampton, Stoke) or because they have other priorities (Man United). If we had played those teams a month earlier, then some or all of them would have had our number.
We are playing teams on cruise control now with nothing left to play for - and it shows. Whereas we were completely and utterly battered by both Palace and Spurs.

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Save their bonuses and their lucrative contracts. New manager comes in and a lot would be drummed out. If Uncle Wenger stays, they're all on easy street for the next 5 years. I also note that Rob Holding is flavour of the month, and whilst I wish him well in his career, let's see how it pans out or if stagnation sets in. If he does turn out to be the stalwart that the defence has been crying out for years, I.e. proper Captain material, who is vocal and leads by example, then it will be a first for Wenger in terms of defence. Things have come to a pretty pass when we're hailing this as a great signing, we should be developing or buying a player like this every season with the finances we've got

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I've had a few of the window lickers having a pop at me too. :roll:

All I said to them was imagine we were top of the league by a point and had the same run of fixtures we just had - Utd (H), Southampton (A), Stoke (A).

How many points do you reckon we'd have picked up then? You can be fucking sure it wouldn't be 9 I can tell ya that.

As was proved for the umpteenth time last season, this team crumbles when anywhere near the top of the league, but put even the faintest whiff of fourth in their nostrils and watch em fucking go.

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Regardless of the 'Reason/s' why? We are suddenly playing better the fact is I for one - As much as I want Wenger gone, cannot help but get excited by seeing an Arsenal player score a goal against the opposing team, it is in my DNA having spent all of my fan life supporting THE Arsenal, I cannot suddenly just it switch off , yes there is a sense of conflict between my logical reasoning that if we Win, it improves his chances of staying on, but my innate feeling of joy from seeing the ball go in the net; especially when it is against hated rivals such as the scum. the filth, the chavs and the orcs cannot be suppressed and neither should it.

On here I see arguments and criticism by people who think because someone still 'gets behind the team and NOT the regime' they are defeating all the brilliant work being done by the gang of six (?), to the pint where both parties are making snide, puerile comments about each other's stance (or lack of) in this totally unique and most definitely unwanted situation.

I was listening to 5 live this morning - and two of the presenters seem incapable of grasping the difference between Arsene and Arsenal, and the clarity expressed by that most excellent banner which says [ Support The Team Not The Regime ] . Which for me is the 'essence' at the heart of many peoples personal conflict as a fan.

Some will be on one side of the argument, others take the other stance, both are equally valid. But the media; whether through choice, in order to be inflammatory or more likely through sheer stupidity obviously have no idea or concept of the position we Gooners find ourselves in - Having supported the Club/Team for all of our footballing lives - no matter how long that might be. We now see the person who brought us trophies and success for a little over a decade, a person we all once admired, respected and loved, turn into a despot and some kind of monster, who is not only undoing all the good he once did, but making things even worse by dividing the fan base in a way never seen before.

It makes me both sad and angry, it also makes me realise those who work in the Media area's are not exactly bright. (That's besides the pundits - most of whom are thick as shyte and twice as smelly).

But the sniping and bitching going on here is equally as pathetic.

We ALL want wenger gone; well 99.999999% of us on here, we all just see it in different ways. When Ozil, scored that sublime goal yesterday "A Thing Of Utter Beauty" from an equally sublime pass from Alexis - I was up out of my seat punching the air , screaming GET INNNNN THERE!!! Spilling my drink everywhere and running around like a madman - All the while knowing this might be another goal that enables wenger to cling to his position as manager and so we suffer the same tired, lame exhausting football for at least another 2 years. Did I care? Yes, damn fuckking right , but also I can't help but be a Football Fan, an Arsenal Fan. Arsenal is in my blood, my DNA and when I see my team score I get that thrill and joyous feeling, going mad for a few moments, a moment that will bring a smile to my face when I am stuck in my shittty job in the week.


Those divisions that have existed between WOB's and AKB's for so long now, have also become a divide between people on here, if we allow that to continue the "Regime" (the money making machine) will have won. So for heaven's sake wake up and be adult about it.

We all have our own take on how to achieve the what. The means and why is irrelevant.

:?


#WENGEROUT

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OneBardGooner wrote:Regardless of the 'Reason/s' why? We are suddenly playing better the fact is I for one - As much as I want Wenger gone, cannot help but get excited by seeing an Arsenal player score a goal against the opposing team, it is in my DNA having spent all of my fan life supporting THE Arsenal, I cannot suddenly just it switch off , yes there is a sense of conflict between my logical reasoning that if we Win, it improves his chances of staying on, but my innate feeling of joy from seeing the ball go in the net; especially when it is against hated rivals such as the scum. the filth, the chavs and the orcs cannot be suppressed and neither should it.

On here I see arguments and criticism by people who think because someone still 'gets behind the team and NOT the regime' they are defeating all the brilliant work being done by the gang of six (?), to the pint where both parties are making snide, puerile comments about each other's stance (or lack of) in this totally unique and most definitely unwanted situation.

I was listening to 5 live this morning - and two of the presenters seem incapable of grasping the difference between Arsene and Arsenal, and the clarity expressed by that most excellent banner which says [ Support The Team Not The Regime ] . Which for me is the 'essence' at the heart of many peoples personal conflict as a fan.

Some will be on one side of the argument, others take the other stance, both are equally valid. But the media; whether through choice, in order to be inflammatory or more likely through sheer stupidity obviously have no idea or concept of the position we Gooners find ourselves in - Having supported the Club/Team for all of our footballing lives - no matter how long that might be. We now see the person who brought us trophies and success for a little over a decade, a person we all once admired, respected and loved, turn into a despot and some kind of monster, who is not only undoing all the good he once did, but making things even worse by dividing the fan base in a way never seen before.

It makes me both sad and angry, it also makes me realise those who work in the Media area's are not exactly bright. (That's besides the pundits - most of whom are thick as shyte and twice as smelly).

But the sniping and bitching going on here is equally as pathetic.

We ALL want wenger gone; well 99.999999% of us on here, we all just see it in different ways. When Ozil, scored that sublime goal yesterday "A Thing Of Utter Beauty" from an equally sublime pass from Alexis - I was up out of my seat punching the air , screaming GET INNNNN THERE!!! Spilling my drink everywhere and running around like a madman - All the while knowing this might be another goal that enables wenger to cling to his position as manager and so we suffer the same tired, lame exhausting football for at least another 2 years. Did I care? Yes, damn fuckking right , but also I can't help but be a Football Fan, an Arsenal Fan. Arsenal is in my blood, my DNA and when I see my team score I get that thrill and joyous feeling, going mad for a few moments, a moment that will bring a smile to my face when I am stuck in my shittty job in the week.


Those divisions that have existed between WOB's and AKB's for so long now, have also become a divide between people on here, if we allow that to continue the "Regime" (the money making machine) will have won. So for heaven's sake wake up and be adult about it.

We all have our own take on how to achieve the what. The means and why is irrelevant.

:?


#WENGEROUT

The thing is that we can't be sure to what extent the team's illusory run of form is going to influence the decision on Wenger. Some argue that it will have no influence whatsoever, that he is going to sign another extension come what may. If you subscribe to that view, then I totally accept that you might as well take whatever joy you can find from putting four goals past Stoke including the thing of beauty that Sanchez and Ozil conjured up.

If, on the other hand, you believe that whether we get top four and/or win the FA Cup will, or at least might, determine whether Wenger is allowed to determine his own future (je stay on), then you are much more likely to want us to miss out on those targets for the greater good of the club.

I admit that I am in the second category, but I respect those of you who are in the first.

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Couldn't have put it better myself Onebard!

I find it really sad that some people can't understand that wanting the manager gone doesn't mean you have to hate him.
I still believe that he thinks what he is doing is right. I don't think it is right and most others don't agree with him either but he cannot see it.
I think it's quite pathetic that unless you appear to want him physically dragged from the ground and spat upon wherever he lays, that you'll get labelled as an apologist, disciple or AKB muppet!
I want him to go.
I am concerned about what happens after that, that's natural.
I am grateful for the teams we saw in the earlier days.
I'm gutted about the shit we've had to put up with in the latter days.
I'm not an AKB.
I'm not a WOB.
I'm an Arsenal fan and I simply want what is best for my club.
I believe that we need a new manager to achieve it.
Simple really isn't it!

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SPUDMASHER wrote:Couldn't have put it better myself Onebard!

I find it really sad that some people can't understand that wanting the manager gone doesn't mean you have to hate him.
I still believe that he thinks what he is doing is right. I don't think it is right and most others don't agree with him either but he cannot see it.
I think it's quite pathetic that unless you appear to want him physically dragged from the ground and spat upon wherever he lays, that you'll get labelled as an apologist, disciple or AKB muppet!
I want him to go.
I am concerned about what happens after that, that's natural.
I am grateful for the teams we saw in the earlier days.
I'm gutted about the shit we've had to put up with in the latter days.
I'm not an AKB.
I'm not a WOB.
I'm an Arsenal fan and I simply want what is best for my club.
I believe that we need a new manager to achieve it.
Simple really isn't it!
That's all well and good...but he's not going anywhere unless he get's hounded out. And Wenger does NOT have the interests of the club at heart, he has HIS interests at heart. He will NEVER win anything significant again and I believe he knows it, that is why he sells 4th place so vigorously.

And as I've said before I will suffer anything, except relegation, if it takes us closer to getting shot of him. The longer he stays the longer it's going to take to fix. He is a malign influence and has instilled a loser mentality throughout the entire club.The fans, the media, the board and the team have bought into this 4th place crap he's been peddling for over a decade.I don't care how he leaves or what it takes....If it turns out to be ignominious so be it, he has brought that upon himself.
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This I why I stopped going after Southampton as sad to say, I get absolutely no pleasure from watching Arsenal any more. Can't really enjoy the goals like I used to so I decided it is best to walk away.

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Tollgoon wrote:Save their bonuses and their lucrative contracts. New manager comes in and a lot would be drummed out. If Uncle Wenger stays, they're all on easy street for the next 5 years. I also note that Rob Holding is flavour of the month, and whilst I wish him well in his career, let's see how it pans out or if stagnation sets in. If he does turn out to be the stalwart that the defence has been crying out for years, I.e. proper Captain material, who is vocal and leads by example, then it will be a first for Wenger in terms of defence. Things have come to a pretty pass when we're hailing this as a great signing, we should be developing or buying a player like this every season with the finances we've got
Holding got exposed a few times down the right by Arnautovic. He's doing well but like most of our defenders he has to use his athleticism to compensate for the lack of real coaching.

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I just want him out.Nothing else matters really 2nd-17th couldn't give a fuck :roll: I can't remember the last time I really enjoyed a win :( le fartpipe has done this :( I remember getting PMT days before a game,constantly looking at tables/fixtures trying to work out ifs and buts and maybes..
Not now though,we've just won 3 on the bounce in what look on paper like hard games and i feel meh about it all.I'm sorry but I can't get excited at the thought of top4,we all know how that ends in feb/mar :( embarrassed again and again.
Look at the run we've had (pre flat track) and some of the brownholings..dippers red and blue..chavs..west Brom..palace..scum..10-2..and still he has the neck to decide that he wants to stay?
Our club is fucked top to bottom and will only improve once he goes.

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xisstential wrote:
SPUDMASHER wrote:Couldn't have put it better myself Onebard!

I find it really sad that some people can't understand that wanting the manager gone doesn't mean you have to hate him.
I still believe that he thinks what he is doing is right. I don't think it is right and most others don't agree with him either but he cannot see it.
I think it's quite pathetic that unless you appear to want him physically dragged from the ground and spat upon wherever he lays, that you'll get labelled as an apologist, disciple or AKB muppet!
I want him to go.
I am concerned about what happens after that, that's natural.
I am grateful for the teams we saw in the earlier days.
I'm gutted about the shit we've had to put up with in the latter days.
I'm not an AKB.
I'm not a WOB.
I'm an Arsenal fan and I simply want what is best for my club.
I believe that we need a new manager to achieve it.
Simple really isn't it!
That's all well and good...but he's not going anywhere unless he get's hounded out. And Wenger does NOT have the interests of the club at heart, he has HIS interests at heart. He will NEVER win anything significant again and I believe he knows it, that is why he sells 4th place so vigorously.

And as I've said before I will suffer anything, except relegation, if it takes us closer to getting shot of him. The longer he stays the longer it's going to take to fix. He is a malign influence and has instilled a loser mentality throughout the entire club.The fans, the media, the board and the team have bought into this 4th place crap he's been peddling for over a decade.I don't care how he leaves or what it takes....If it turns out to be ignominious so be it, he has brought that upon himself.
We 'know' that, but you seem to be missing the point of my post, just because someone thinks something should be done a particular way, does not mean that if someone else thinks that same goal can be achieved another way doesn't make either of them right or wrong.

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