THE WENGER THREAD

[xisstential]

Couldn't have put it better myself Onebard!

I find it really sad that some people can't understand that wanting the manager gone doesn't mean you have to hate him.
I still believe that he thinks what he is doing is right. I don't think it is right and most others don't agree with him either but he cannot see it.
I think it's quite pathetic that unless you appear to want him physically dragged from the ground and spat upon wherever he lays, that you'll get labelled as an apologist, disciple or AKB muppet!
I want him to go.
I am concerned about what happens after that, that's natural.
I am grateful for the teams we saw in the earlier days.
I'm gutted about the shit we've had to put up with in the latter days.
I'm not an AKB.
I'm not a WOB.
I'm an Arsenal fan and I simply want what is best for my club.
I believe that we need a new manager to achieve it.
Simple really isn't it!

That's all well and good...but he's not going anywhere unless he get's hounded out. And Wenger does NOT have the interests of the club at heart, he has HIS interests at heart. He will NEVER win anything significant again and I believe he knows it, that is why he sells 4th place so vigorously.

And as I've said before I will suffer anything, except relegation, if it takes us closer to getting shot of him. The longer he stays the longer it's going to take to fix. He is a malign influence and has instilled a loser mentality throughout the entire club.The fans, the media, the board and the team have bought into this 4th place crap he's been peddling for over a decade.I don't care how he leaves or what it takes....If it turns out to be ignominious so be it, he has brought that upon himself.

We 'know' that, but you seem to be missing the point of my post, just because someone thinks something should be done a particular way, does not mean that if someone else thinks that same goal can be achieved another way doesn't make either of them right or wrong.

I understood your post and we all have differing views, but I'm with Falkirk & Retro, I don't care if we win or not. Whatever makes his position worse, gets my vote. And as for supporting the team, not the regime...where was the "team" against Spurs, Liverpool, WBA, Palace, Chelsea, Everton........Where was the team, when all the big guns took last season off, and we decided to let Leicester sail off unchallenged into the sunset??? I'm not suddenly going to start cheering them on because they've decided to try save their sugar daddy's skin.I'll cheer them on when they start showing some fighting spirit against teams that can actually play.

As for Spuds comment that he is sure Wenger thinks what he is doing is right....well that just makes Wenger stupid...and he isn't. How can you possibly fail over & over & over while those around you are succeeding, yet still think what you are doing is right????

There are a lot of people on here, hoping,hoping,hoping we get that 4th spot. Good for them...but I'm not, it will only serve to strengthen his position.

And what other way is there to get him out...by asking him nicely to please leave?? The man is as arrogant & thick skinned as one can possibly be, unless he is driven out we'll have to wait until they carry him out..

[NickF]

Couldn't have put it better myself Onebard!

I find it really sad that some people can't understand that wanting the manager gone doesn't mean you have to hate him.
I still believe that he thinks what he is doing is right. I don't think it is right and most others don't agree with him either but he cannot see it.
I think it's quite pathetic that unless you appear to want him physically dragged from the ground and spat upon wherever he lays, that you'll get labelled as an apologist, disciple or AKB muppet!
I want him to go.
I am concerned about what happens after that, that's natural.
I am grateful for the teams we saw in the earlier days.
I'm gutted about the shit we've had to put up with in the latter days.
I'm not an AKB.
I'm not a WOB.
I'm an Arsenal fan and I simply want what is best for my club.
I believe that we need a new manager to achieve it.
Simple really isn't it!

That's all well and good...but he's not going anywhere unless he get's hounded out. And Wenger does NOT have the interests of the club at heart, he has HIS interests at heart. He will NEVER win anything significant again and I believe he knows it, that is why he sells 4th place so vigorously.

And as I've said before I will suffer anything, except relegation, if it takes us closer to getting shot of him. The longer he stays the longer it's going to take to fix. He is a malign influence and has instilled a loser mentality throughout the entire club.The fans, the media, the board and the team have bought into this 4th place crap he's been peddling for over a decade.I don't care how he leaves or what it takes....If it turns out to be ignominious so be it, he has brought that upon himself.

We 'know' that, but you seem to be missing the point of my post, just because someone thinks something should be done a particular way, does not mean that if someone else thinks that same goal can be achieved another way doesn't make either of them right or wrong.

Assuming the goal is to get rid of Wenger, I would love to know what this "another way" might be that isn't hounding him out.

[augie]

Couldn't have put it better myself Onebard!

I find it really sad that some people can't understand that wanting the manager gone doesn't mean you have to hate him.
I still believe that he thinks what he is doing is right. I don't think it is right and most others don't agree with him either but he cannot see it.
I think it's quite pathetic that unless you appear to want him physically dragged from the ground and spat upon wherever he lays, that you'll get labelled as an apologist, disciple or AKB muppet!
I want him to go.
I am concerned about what happens after that, that's natural.
I am grateful for the teams we saw in the earlier days.
I'm gutted about the shit we've had to put up with in the latter days.
I'm not an AKB.
I'm not a WOB.
I'm an Arsenal fan and I simply want what is best for my club.
I believe that we need a new manager to achieve it.
Simple really isn't it!

That's all well and good...but he's not going anywhere unless he get's hounded out. And Wenger does NOT have the interests of the club at heart, he has HIS interests at heart. He will NEVER win anything significant again and I believe he knows it, that is why he sells 4th place so vigorously.

And as I've said before I will suffer anything, except relegation, if it takes us closer to getting shot of him. The longer he stays the longer it's going to take to fix. He is a malign influence and has instilled a loser mentality throughout the entire club.The fans, the media, the board and the team have bought into this 4th place crap he's been peddling for over a decade.I don't care how he leaves or what it takes....If it turns out to be ignominious so be it, he has brought that upon himself.

We 'know' that, but you seem to be missing the point of my post, just because someone thinks something should be done a particular way, does not mean that if someone else thinks that same goal can be achieved another way doesn't make either of them right or wrong.

For me this is all about choices ................. if you believe that wenker has to go, then you support whatever means in necessary to make it happen. Being principled or idealistic is all well and good, but if it leads to another two years of decline with wenker, then it is you and me that are suffering and I know that I would much rather see wenger suffer abuse for two or 3 months, than for us fans to suffer for the next two seasons. I'm not saying that this is about being right or wrong, but surely if you want something to happen, then the most important thing is that it happens and not why it happened ? We would all love to see a goal scored from a beautiful flowing move, but if it was scored by a deflection of an opposition player's arse, it is worth the same as the beautiful goals and that is why I say that the end result is the ONLY thing that matters here

[OneBardGooner]

Couldn't have put it better myself Onebard!

I find it really sad that some people can't understand that wanting the manager gone doesn't mean you have to hate him.
I still believe that he thinks what he is doing is right. I don't think it is right and most others don't agree with him either but he cannot see it.
I think it's quite pathetic that unless you appear to want him physically dragged from the ground and spat upon wherever he lays, that you'll get labelled as an apologist, disciple or AKB muppet!
I want him to go.
I am concerned about what happens after that, that's natural.
I am grateful for the teams we saw in the earlier days.
I'm gutted about the shit we've had to put up with in the latter days.
I'm not an AKB.
I'm not a WOB.
I'm an Arsenal fan and I simply want what is best for my club.
I believe that we need a new manager to achieve it.
Simple really isn't it!

That's all well and good...but he's not going anywhere unless he get's hounded out. And Wenger does NOT have the interests of the club at heart, he has HIS interests at heart. He will NEVER win anything significant again and I believe he knows it, that is why he sells 4th place so vigorously.

And as I've said before I will suffer anything, except relegation, if it takes us closer to getting shot of him. The longer he stays the longer it's going to take to fix. He is a malign influence and has instilled a loser mentality throughout the entire club.The fans, the media, the board and the team have bought into this 4th place crap he's been peddling for over a decade.I don't care how he leaves or what it takes....If it turns out to be ignominious so be it, he has brought that upon himself.

We 'know' that, but you seem to be missing the point of my post, just because someone thinks something should be done a particular way, does not mean that if someone else thinks that same goal can be achieved another way doesn't make either of them right or wrong.

For me this is all about choices ................. if you believe that wenker has to go, then you support whatever means in necessary to make it happen. Being principled or idealistic is all well and good, but if it leads to another two years of decline with wenker, then it is you and me that are suffering and I know that I would much rather see wenger suffer abuse for two or 3 months, than for us fans to suffer for the next two seasons. I'm not saying that this is about being right or wrong, but surely if you want something to happen, then the most important thing is that it happens and not why it happened ? We would all love to see a goal scored from a beautiful flowing move, but if it was scored by a deflection of an opposition player's arse, it is worth the same as the beautiful goals and that is why I say that the end result is the ONLY thing that matters here

Exactly.

I want wenger gone - But I also know there is only so much I as an individual can do, if other's can and do Do more then I doff the ole cap to them. And yes indeed it is you and I who are suffering along with many others, but unless the marches can muster in the 1,00's as in 2 to 5,000 I honestly don't think the media will saturate all his press conferences with questions until he actually answers their questions on it rather than his most recent ' I do not wish to talk about that any more' - Yes, the 'other ways' the Projections, the planes, the Wenger Out signs globally all definitely have been having a detrimental effect on the club's perceived squeaky clean image and on him. Which I am sure the vast majority of WOB's are for. But within the ranks of those who want him gone - are different groups - some will do "Anything" by "Any Means" others have a different view, I do not know hat they might be, however for myself, yes I want him gone, but that is not at the centre of my life - unlike others. I will do what I can when I can - Some have taken it on like a crusade and good on them I say, because unless the displeasure and dis-content of the fans is kept in the media eye, things will soon slip back into the soul destroying Groundhog situation, and as you rightly say two more (or more?) years of the same old suffering.
Sadly some have already forgotten how bad things are because of a few wins, it is those who were willing to sit back and do nothing whilst others do all the graft, which I do not agree with. But, that is their choice, it pisses me off but like you and each individual I can only make my choice and stand by it. Which I do.

I may not like it because the majority are apathetic and haven't done a thing and seem willing to let the club go down the pan with wenger (and wiggy) at the helm, but hey! they cannot say they haven't been warned.

I know someone who is a life long Gooner, he agrees there needs to be change - I asked him if he wanted to come to the 2nd protest and he said 'no' because he honestly thought that unless the majority of the fans attended the march/es before games and then held up banners in the stadium the club wouldn't do anything. I tried to explain it was the same as how it is the same as the movement of small stones that result in an avalanche principal, but he simply wasn't willing to be part of it. what can we do, other than make a choice and go with that decision.

He also said there were more important things in his life than Arsenal that he wanted to dedicate his time, energy and money to.

Again that is his choice.

[xisstential]

Couldn't have put it better myself Onebard!

I find it really sad that some people can't understand that wanting the manager gone doesn't mean you have to hate him.
I still believe that he thinks what he is doing is right. I don't think it is right and most others don't agree with him either but he cannot see it.
I think it's quite pathetic that unless you appear to want him physically dragged from the ground and spat upon wherever he lays, that you'll get labelled as an apologist, disciple or AKB muppet!
I want him to go.
I am concerned about what happens after that, that's natural.
I am grateful for the teams we saw in the earlier days.
I'm gutted about the shit we've had to put up with in the latter days.
I'm not an AKB.
I'm not a WOB.
I'm an Arsenal fan and I simply want what is best for my club.
I believe that we need a new manager to achieve it.
Simple really isn't it!

That's all well and good...but he's not going anywhere unless he get's hounded out. And Wenger does NOT have the interests of the club at heart, he has HIS interests at heart. He will NEVER win anything significant again and I believe he knows it, that is why he sells 4th place so vigorously.

And as I've said before I will suffer anything, except relegation, if it takes us closer to getting shot of him. The longer he stays the longer it's going to take to fix. He is a malign influence and has instilled a loser mentality throughout the entire club.The fans, the media, the board and the team have bought into this 4th place crap he's been peddling for over a decade.I don't care how he leaves or what it takes....If it turns out to be ignominious so be it, he has brought that upon himself.

We 'know' that, but you seem to be missing the point of my post, just because someone thinks something should be done a particular way, does not mean that if someone else thinks that same goal can be achieved another way doesn't make either of them right or wrong.

For me this is all about choices ................. if you believe that wenker has to go, then you support whatever means in necessary to make it happen. Being principled or idealistic is all well and good, but if it leads to another two years of decline with wenker, then it is you and me that are suffering and I know that I would much rather see wenger suffer abuse for two or 3 months, than for us fans to suffer for the next two seasons. I'm not saying that this is about being right or wrong, but surely if you want something to happen, then the most important thing is that it happens and not why it happened ? We would all love to see a goal scored from a beautiful flowing move, but if it was scored by a deflection of an opposition player's arse, it is worth the same as the beautiful goals and that is why I say that the end result is the ONLY thing that matters here

Yep, I'm with you....it's way too late in the day for beautiful goals anyway. Whatever needs to happen that will hasten his exit...bring it on.

[OneBardGooner]

Couldn't have put it better myself Onebard!

I find it really sad that some people can't understand that wanting the manager gone doesn't mean you have to hate him.
I still believe that he thinks what he is doing is right. I don't think it is right and most others don't agree with him either but he cannot see it.
I think it's quite pathetic that unless you appear to want him physically dragged from the ground and spat upon wherever he lays, that you'll get labelled as an apologist, disciple or AKB muppet!
I want him to go.
I am concerned about what happens after that, that's natural.
I am grateful for the teams we saw in the earlier days.
I'm gutted about the shit we've had to put up with in the latter days.
I'm not an AKB.
I'm not a WOB.
I'm an Arsenal fan and I simply want what is best for my club.
I believe that we need a new manager to achieve it.
Simple really isn't it!

That's all well and good...but he's not going anywhere unless he get's hounded out. And Wenger does NOT have the interests of the club at heart, he has HIS interests at heart. He will NEVER win anything significant again and I believe he knows it, that is why he sells 4th place so vigorously.

And as I've said before I will suffer anything, except relegation, if it takes us closer to getting shot of him. The longer he stays the longer it's going to take to fix. He is a malign influence and has instilled a loser mentality throughout the entire club.The fans, the media, the board and the team have bought into this 4th place crap he's been peddling for over a decade.I don't care how he leaves or what it takes....If it turns out to be ignominious so be it, he has brought that upon himself.

We 'know' that, but you seem to be missing the point of my post, just because someone thinks something should be done a particular way, does not mean that if someone else thinks that same goal can be achieved another way doesn't make either of them right or wrong.

For me this is all about choices ................. if you believe that wenker has to go, then you support whatever means in necessary to make it happen. Being principled or idealistic is all well and good, but if it leads to another two years of decline with wenker, then it is you and me that are suffering and I know that I would much rather see wenger suffer abuse for two or 3 months, than for us fans to suffer for the next two seasons. I'm not saying that this is about being right or wrong, but surely if you want something to happen, then the most important thing is that it happens and not why it happened ? We would all love to see a goal scored from a beautiful flowing move, but if it was scored by a deflection of an opposition player's arse, it is worth the same as the beautiful goals and that is why I say that the end result is the ONLY thing that matters here

Yep, I'm with you....it's way too late in the day for beautiful goals anyway. Whatever needs to happen that will hasten his exit...bring it on.

That's 'sad' (I'm not saying You are sad) but for a fan of football to think and feel that way is 'sad'; especially as it is due to wenger & co that you feel like that, - He HAS destroyed much of what I used to 'feel' about my club, but being a football fan as well as a Gooner, when I see a thing of beauty, like the Ozil goal I acknowledge it, as much as it can also hurt.

Dilemma's and Choices.

[SteveO 35]

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has decided to stay for another season and wants to sign Leicester winger Riyad Mahrez, 26, and Middlesbrough defender Ben Gibson, 24. (Sunday Express)

We're saved.....saved I tell ya. TO1AW is like a new signing himself and with Mahrez and Gibson under our belts we'll be heading to Bavaria as world beaters next February

ONE ARSENE WENGER.......THERE'S ONLY ONE ARSENE WENGER

[SteveO 35]

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football ... Ben-Gibson

The celebrations have started from Old Trafford to Stamford Bridge........ARSENE WENGER WE WANT YOU TO STAY

[Perryashburtongroves]

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has decided to stay for another season and wants to sign Leicester winger Riyad Mahrez, 26, and Middlesbrough defender Ben Gibson, 24. (Sunday Express)

We're saved.....saved I tell ya. TO1AW is like a new signing himself and with Mahrez and Gibson under our belts we'll be heading to Bavaria as world beaters next February

ONE ARSENE WENGER.......THERE'S ONLY ONE ARSENE WENGER

Riyad Mahrez? Ha ha ha. Didn't we go through this nonsense last summer and fuck all came of it? If he does want to leave Leicester, he's not going to a club with a shit manager who are playing in the UEFA cup is he? Wanker may well want him but like every other decentish player, he won't want to play under him.
And who the fuck is Ben Gibson? Sounds like a Grange Hill character. Probably right up Wanker's street though. Young, relegated, unwanted by anybody decent.

[markyp]

Maybe the club could offer Wenker a golden handshake to leave the club after all the poultry wages that hes been on must be a massive struggle,breadline Britain or what! im amazed that people cant hate him,did you not hate him after the 10-2 to Bayern or all the other CL humiliations we endured?how about the 6-0 to Chelsea followed by the bumming at anfield?or maybe the two legged defeat to Bradford in the pete beale fruit and veg trophy? or defeat in the final of the same competition to Birmingham? the 8-2 to utd in 2011??or how about making defeats of 3,4,5,6 so normal that fans just brush it off as part of supporting arsenal?I could go on and on,seriously if you don't hate him after 13 years of utter putrid shit then you deserve him,its like having a serial killer in the family but still showing empathy towards them,and I'll tell you another thing if utd supporters were as passive as the turds at the bowl then Moyes would still be managing them to mid table mediocrity for the past 4 seasons

[GoonerMuzz]

I said it before and i'll say it again even if it offends, the protests really started well but the reason it didn't garner greater support was the attitude of 'you're either with us or against us'!

For fucks sake guys the purile, arrogant and downright offensive attitude to the non-converted was at best dismissive at worst deeply insulting and yet some of you are confused as to why more people did not join? You don't have an advertising campaign calling your potential customers cnuts and then expect them to suddenly buy your product.

Barring maybe two or three posters on here everyone wants shot of Wenger, some want shot of the Wiggy *word censored* too, but the absolutely crap attitude of 'join or you're *word censored*' has done more to damn the protests, than any bus, plane, banner or march has done to promote them. This attitude hasn't just been on this forum but all over social media too.

Maybe, just maybe learn a lesson because what started well and after the first two marches should have seen a massive boost to numbers at a time when the manager and team were at rock bottom instead saw people drift away! You have to ask yourselves why, you can blame apathy and indifference all you want but that's just the easy option a more realistic analysis would be that alongside this anyone not directly involved in the protest was seen as the enemy and treated as such thereby forcing people away rather than bringing them in.

It's happened on here, anyone not towing the party line of Wenger is the Devil gets abused and shouted down no matter how many times those posters have tried to post reasoned arguments. You can having differing views that are both right in their own way, but people are so polarised that even here on this forum your a flip-flopper if you don't criticise every little thing Wenger does.

OBG is right, this place has become contaminated by Wenger as much as the club has and the fact that we can't even have a reasoned argument without individuals resorting to petty name calling and abuse really does nothing to endear the 'Online Gooner' to any outsider coming on here to get information about the protests and campaign to remove Wenger.


For those who are chosing to walk away because we are not rid of him, i can totally understand and respect that, me personally i'm not there yet, i've supported the club for 35 years and in that time i've been ecstatic, depressed and indifferent at various times but i'll keep supporting them and eventually things will change for the better at some point.

So to those taking a break, a time out or completely putting Arsenal aside for however long, good luck and enjoy whatever you do instead! I'm fairly sure most of us will still be here if and when you come back, even if a little greyer, fatter and in some cases shorter. UTA

[Sean]

No matter the result, no matter the season - WENGER OUT! By any means!

Still am and forever will be 100% against

[SPUDMASHER]

4th is practically impossible now. The mousers have one game left which is at home to Middlesbrough. If they win that, which they will, we cannot pass them.
That's one thing that he won't be able to use this year as a success story!

[Bradywasking]

Who says Arsene and Arsenal don't listen to the fans..Fans demanded change and Arsene has responded by changing the European competition we are going to play in.

[Graham71]

For those who are chosing to walk away because we are not rid of him, i can totally understand and respect that, me personally i'm not there yet, i've supported the club for 35 years and in that time i've been ecstatic, depressed and indifferent at various times but i'll keep supporting them and eventually things will change for the better at some point.

I work with a couple of Liverpool fans "things will change for the better at some point" has been their mantra for 27 years.A once great club now like us happy with 4th place.
This season has been coming.You cant keep a useless out of date manager at the club because of what he did in 2004.
Things wont get better because the club is not geared to get better.The whole aim of the club is to get top 4.Every season is the same as the last.Start well collapse in mid season get knocked out in the last 16 of the CL when we play a half decent team finish well when the pressure is off and sneak 4th.And we wonder why our best players Vieira Henry Cesc RVP and soon to be Sanchez leave to join better teams.
Be careful what you wish for thats what the AKB's keeping us.Thats what the fans of Chelsea Barca Madrid and Bayern fans must have said when they sacked CL and league winning managers.
I walked away 7 years ago and havent regretted it.Kroenke Wenger and the useless shower of shite on the pitch bar Sanchez dont get any of my hard earned money