As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Personally I don't think Wonga has as much support as his monnie cultists claim.
I notice that in the latest Online Gooner survey only 18% agreed with the new contract, & only 11% believe he should get another contract after the current 2 year one expires IF he doesn't win the Premier League title.
So why should the majority be worried about a few Arsene FC AKB nutters who will NEVER want Wonga sacked? If someone wants a anti Kroenke campaign let them start one!
As you say 2 months was really not enough to get rid of the old git, 8-9 months would really get to him.
But therein lies the problem....a lot of people do want him gone BUT they will NOT actively protest against him, they will not "disrespect" him Forget about those percentages, we saw similar last season and as the percentages against him rose, the attendance at the protests fell.
So after the Chelsea game we are going to get it rolling again without any assistance from the fans and see if our actions can get people on board. We shall see.....
Go after Kroenke IMO.... Wenger IS untouchable and id say on 50% of the fans want him out and of those 50% even fewer would protest.... while most fans dislike Kroenke.
Also its a bit back handed but getting rid of Kroenke a new owner is likely to put more pressure on Wenger or make him leave immediately anyway.
Go after Kroenke IMO.... Wenger IS untouchable and id say on 50% of the fans want him out and of those 50% even fewer would protest.... while most fans dislike Kroenke.
Also its a bit back handed but getting rid of Kroenke a new owner is likely to put more pressure on Wenger or make him leave immediately anyway.
Kroenke is the key to untouchable Wenger
I have to agree. I kinda look at Wenger now as a (albeit particularly nasty) symptom of the desease, and Kroenke as the actual desease. A football club should have a hierarchical structure. The owner or chairman should set the ambition, set the tone, and demand the best of the club employees. The manager is a very sackable employee at 99.99999% of clubs. Our owner, the ONLY individual with the actual power to sack Wenger refuses to do so no matter how bad Wenger performs in the footballingh sense, because the poxy fucking owner is not a football man.
BUT
As pointed out by a few on here, how do you get rid of Kroenke? He obviously gives less than zero fucks what any mere pleb football fan thinks of him or says about him. Our club is like the Perfect Storm of a business ruling a once great footballing club.
Go after Kroenke IMO.... Wenger IS untouchable and id say on 50% of the fans want him out and of those 50% even fewer would protest.... while most fans dislike Kroenke.
Also its a bit back handed but getting rid of Kroenke a new owner is likely to put more pressure on Wenger or make him leave immediately anyway.
Kroenke is the key to untouchable Wenger
I have to agree. I kinda look at Wenger now as a (albeit particularly nasty) symptom of the desease, and Kroenke as the actual desease. A football club should have a hierarchical structure. The owner or chairman should set the ambition, set the tone, and demand the best of the club employees. The manager is a very sackable employee at 99.99999% of clubs. Our owner, the ONLY individual with the actual power to sack Wenger refuses to do so no matter how bad Wenger performs in the footballingh sense, because the poxy fucking owner is not a football man.
BUT
As pointed out by a few on here, how do you get rid of Kroenke? He obviously gives less than zero fucks what any mere pleb football fan thinks of him or says about him. Our club is like the Perfect Storm of a business ruling a once great footballing club.
I just don't think we can get to Kroenke...he's not here and he doesn't care. If we could get protests inside the ground that would be shown on tv I would be all for it. And as a bonus a lot of the Wenger supporters would join in, believing in their hearts that this is all Kroenke's fault. Lovely to see them help oust Kroenke and then the new owner sack their beloved manager. And he will, any ambitious owner will.
Wenger signed a new contract but we got to him, I know we did, we really got under his skin. I think we should go at him relentlessly for 6 months...we had 2.5 months last season and it pissed him off no end.....7 months of relentless pressure, coupled with bad results and another poor transfer market could see him not see out his contract. The club is not going to want a repeat of last season and I do not them to think they have seen us off. As the results start coming in we need to be the first people up there screaming in their faces "Well what did you expect, we told you so" I don't want Gazidis and his mates to think they have seen us off either. And to change the attack to Kroenke now will make us seem indecisive.
Personally I don't think Wonga has as much support as his monnie cultists claim.
I notice that in the latest Online Gooner survey only 18% agreed with the new contract, & only 11% believe he should get ANOTHER CONTRACT after the current 2 year one expires IF he doesn't win the Premier League title.
So why should the majority be worried about a few Arsene FC AKB nutters who will NEVER want Wonga sacked? If someone wants a anti Kroenke campaign let them start one!
As you say 2 months was really not enough to get rid of the old git, 8-9 months would really get to him.
It is not so much the "Arsene FC AKB nutters", it is more the fact than in a 60k stadium a good 99.9% won't do anything to get rid of Wenger or Kroenke even if they believe we should.
Kroenke has a heart of stone and gives not a flying fuck about fans .
Ask St Louis Rams fans who have watched as Kroenke took the Rams back to LA after a 22 year tenure in St Louis which is in the state where Kroenke comes from !
He did it for Money not power just money .
His interest in Arsenal is the same ! He will only sack Wenger if it is financially prudent to do so !
Kroenke has a heart of stone and gives not a flying fuck about fans . Ask St Louis Rams fans who have watched as Kroenke took the Rams back to LA after a 22 year tenure in St Louis which is in the state where Kroenke comes from !
To be absolutely fair, the Rams were in LA for nearly 50 years before they were moved to St Louis.
Go after Kroenke IMO.... Wenger IS untouchable and id say on 50% of the fans want him out and of those 50% even fewer would protest.... while most fans dislike Kroenke.
Also its a bit back handed but getting rid of Kroenke a new owner is likely to put more pressure on Wenger or make him leave immediately anyway.
Kroenke is the key to untouchable Wenger
I have to agree. I kinda look at Wenger now as a (albeit particularly nasty) symptom of the desease, and Kroenke as the actual desease. A football club should have a hierarchical structure. The owner or chairman should set the ambition, set the tone, and demand the best of the club employees. The manager is a very sackable employee at 99.99999% of clubs. Our owner, the ONLY individual with the actual power to sack Wenger refuses to do so no matter how bad Wenger performs in the footballingh sense, because the poxy fucking owner is not a football man.
BUT
As pointed out by a few on here, how do you get rid of Kroenke? He obviously gives less than zero fucks what any mere pleb football fan thinks of him or says about him. Our club is like the Perfect Storm of a business ruling a once great footballing club.
I just don't think we can get to Kroenke...he's not here and he doesn't care. If we could get protests inside the ground that would be shown on tv I would be all for it. And as a bonus a lot of the Wenger supporters would join in, believing in their hearts that this is all Kroenke's fault. Lovely to see them help oust Kroenke and then the new owner sack their beloved manager. And he will, any ambitious owner will.
Wenger signed a new contract but we got to him, I know we did, we really got under his skin. I think we should go at him relentlessly for 6 months...we had 2.5 months last season and it pissed him off no end.....7 months of relentless pressure, coupled with bad results and another poor transfer market could see him not see out his contract. The club is not going to want a repeat of last season and I do not them to think they have seen us off. As the results start coming in we need to be the first people up there screaming in their faces "Well what did you expect, we told you so" I don't want Gazidis and his mates to think they have seen us off either. And to change the attack to Kroenke now will make us seem indecisive.
That's my view on it anyway.
All good points mate and I think you are probably right on most of them too tbh. The only point I might question is how much effect it would have on Wenger. I agree the protest got to him last season absolutely, but I am more of the train of thought that a prolonged protest at him is as likely to make his insane ego dig its heels in rather than be seen to be beaten and make him leave. Of course I could be wrong in that but I just think Wenger has a neck like a jockey's bollocks and nothing can drive him out until he decides to go.
As for Kroenke.... we are really waiting on a billionaire Gooner offering him so insane a sum of money to sell that he cannot say no.... we are proper fucked aren't we?
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To be absolutely fair, the Rams were in LA for nearly 50 years before they were moved to St Louis.
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Very True,and St Louis team WAS the cardinals (1960-1988 ) b4 they moved to Phoenix.
The point is Kroenke is from St Louis but money talks so he's off to LA !
He doesn't care ,ask the people he evicted from their homes after buying a ranch property in Texas .
Stan will not lose a moments sleep over fan protest !
It is not so much the "Arsene FC AKB nutters", it is more the fact than in a 60k stadium a good 99.9% won't do anything to get rid of Wenger or Kroenke even if they believe we should.
If they don't want to take sides fúck 'em, why worry about the fence sitters & tourists anyway, if you want Wonga out protest against him, if you want Kroenke out likewise.
Either protest will get my backing & support but please don't change the Wenger out protest to a Kroenke out campaign after the foundations have been laid.
Changing direction using the Wenger out campaign achievements so far would play right into the clubs bullshite agenda. It would let both the targets get away.
Go after everything, Kroenke, Wenger, the Board and the brand. This needs to be a broadside attempt to change things at Arsenal PLC not just individuals. The time for change protest two years ago actually garnered more support inside the ground than was able to be mustered after the marches against Wenger during all the protests last season unfortunately.
If you go for a less devisive message which the anti-Wenger protest was you're likely to have more support and it will effect the brand and potentially PLC profits, it will also gather in more people, most people aren't stupid and will know what you're getting at but for those who still respect OGL or wont actively protest against him this is their way into the protest, 'less disrespectful' i suppose you might say.
As said above by other posters direct attacks on Wenger and Kroenke are unlikely to work, Stan is too remote from it and Wenger will feel more secure and protected this season with his vote of confidence new contract.
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To be absolutely fair, the Rams were in LA for nearly 50 years before they were moved to St Louis.
Very True,and St Louis team WAS the cardinals (1960-1988 ) b4 they moved to Phoenix.
The point is Kroenke is from St Louis but money talks so he's off to LA !
He doesn't care ,ask the people he evicted from their homes after buying a ranch property in Texas .
Stan will not lose a moments sleep over fan protest !
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He hardly knows of the protests - he may glance at an e-mail sent from some higher up in the clubs financial department whilst his son gives him a BJ from under the table as he eats his breakfast of grapefruit, cornflakes. and coffee.
BTW despite the fact Kroenke wont care I'm convinced that more and even more shocking protests are needed .
Streakers on the Pitch Holding Wenger Out Placards !
Protests outside Mons Wengers,Gazidis ,Sir Chips ,Houses !
Also when Liverpool wanted Hicks n co out they made a very slick video ,we could do that too but you need to get celebs onside too.
I have others but they would place me under arrest for some of them !
Go after Kroenke IMO.... Wenger IS untouchable and id say on 50% of the fans want him out and of those 50% even fewer would protest.... while most fans dislike Kroenke.
Also its a bit back handed but getting rid of Kroenke a new owner is likely to put more pressure on Wenger or make him leave immediately anyway.
Kroenke is the key to untouchable Wenger
I have to agree. I kinda look at Wenger now as a (albeit particularly nasty) symptom of the desease, and Kroenke as the actual desease. A football club should have a hierarchical structure. The owner or chairman should set the ambition, set the tone, and demand the best of the club employees. The manager is a very sackable employee at 99.99999% of clubs. Our owner, the ONLY individual with the actual power to sack Wenger refuses to do so no matter how bad Wenger performs in the footballingh sense, because the poxy fucking owner is not a football man.
BUT
As pointed out by a few on here, how do you get rid of Kroenke? He obviously gives less than zero fucks what any mere pleb football fan thinks of him or says about him. Our club is like the Perfect Storm of a business ruling a once great footballing club.
I just don't think we can get to Kroenke...he's not here and he doesn't care. If we could get protests inside the ground that would be shown on tv I would be all for it. And as a bonus a lot of the Wenger supporters would join in, believing in their hearts that this is all Kroenke's fault. Lovely to see them help oust Kroenke and then the new owner sack their beloved manager. And he will, any ambitious owner will.
Wenger signed a new contract but we got to him, I know we did, we really got under his skin. I think we should go at him relentlessly for 6 months...we had 2.5 months last season and it pissed him off no end.....7 months of relentless pressure, coupled with bad results and another poor transfer market could see him not see out his contract. The club is not going to want a repeat of last season and I do not them to think they have seen us off. As the results start coming in we need to be the first people up there screaming in their faces "Well what did you expect, we told you so" I don't want Gazidis and his mates to think they have seen us off either. And to change the attack to Kroenke now will make us seem indecisive.
That's my view on it anyway.
All good points mate and I think you are probably right on most of them too tbh. The only point I might question is how much effect it would have on Wenger. I agree the protest got to him last season absolutely, but I am more of the train of thought that a prolonged protest at him is as likely to make his insane ego dig its heels in rather than be seen to be beaten and make him leave. Of course I could be wrong in that but I just think Wenger has a neck like a jockey's bollocks and nothing can drive him out until he decides to go.
As for Kroenke.... we are really waiting on a billionaire Gooner offering him so insane a sum of money to sell that he cannot say no.... we are proper fucked aren't we?
Well I've heard that regime change has no transfer window.........
If someone wants a anti Kroenke campaign let them start one!
