As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
despite Wenger being there for now 21 years he is still easier to get rid of than Kroenke.
yes if you got rid of Kroenke then you would also get rid of Wenger as any new owner would sack him within weeks.
However I don't think you will get rid of Kroenke before Wenger.
Wenger has effectively been a shield for Kroenke these past few years. We need to remove that shield first (Wenger)
For that to happen things will have to get really really bad on the pitch though and that is where the problem is - Wenger like it or not is still a good enough manager to make sure that we are in and around the top 4, and as long as he does that then the Emirates crowd will remain apathetic.
not sure what the answer is really - you just have to realise that these days the majority of the people who visit the Emirates are not too bothered whether we compete for the league or not, and even those that are bothered will mostly not bother to protest.
Not this year mate. IMO we'll be finishing mid-table with our current squad of players.
Our best player Sanchez wants out and is clearly unhappy, Ozil is disinterested after creating a thousand chances which our forwards are too shite to finish off, nobody from our midfield is good enough to chip in with a reasonable goals tally, our defence is leaky as a sieve, our keeper is past it, our manager is still trying to run the team on a shoestring.
We're nowhere near good enough this season, and with Liverpool and Chelsea away in two of our next three fixtures, we could very well be on just six points from our first five games, out of the title race by mid-September. Europa League trips to distant backwaters and Sunday fixtures won't help. Discontent will begin again, which will have a knock-on effect on a squad already mentally weak and disillusioned. The snowball will be bigger and quicker this time around, only this time there's no conveniently timed summer break to base club PR and spin around.
sorry but heard it all before.
Wenger will keep the team in and around 4th place - that is what he does.
dont forget this year we dont have CL football and so if necessary Wenger will play the reserves in the Europa League.
as for the title race - we were never in it and have not been now for about a decade.
despite Wenger being there for now 21 years he is still easier to get rid of than Kroenke.
yes if you got rid of Kroenke then you would also get rid of Wenger as any new owner would sack him within weeks.
However I don't think you will get rid of Kroenke before Wenger.
Wenger has effectively been a shield for Kroenke these past few years. We need to remove that shield first (Wenger)
For that to happen things will have to get really really bad on the pitch though and that is where the problem is - Wenger like it or not is still a good enough manager to make sure that we are in and around the top 4, and as long as he does that then the Emirates crowd will remain apathetic.
not sure what the answer is really - you just have to realise that these days the majority of the people who visit the Emirates are not too bothered whether we compete for the league or not, and even those that are bothered will mostly not bother to protest.
Not this year mate. IMO we'll be finishing mid-table with our current squad of players.
Our best player Sanchez wants out and is clearly unhappy, Ozil is disinterested after creating a thousand chances which our forwards are too shite to finish off, nobody from our midfield is good enough to chip in with a reasonable goals tally, our defence is leaky as a sieve, our keeper is past it, our manager is still trying to run the team on a shoestring.
We're nowhere near good enough this season, and with Liverpool and Chelsea away in two of our next three fixtures, we could very well be on just six points from our first five games, out of the title race by mid-September. Europa League trips to distant backwaters and Sunday fixtures won't help. Discontent will begin again, which will have a knock-on effect on a squad already mentally weak and disillusioned. The snowball will be bigger and quicker this time around, only this time there's no conveniently timed summer break to base club PR and spin around.
sorry but heard it all before.
Wenger will keep the team in and around 4th place - that is what he does.
dont forget this year we dont have CL football and so if necessary Wenger will play the reserves in the Europa League.
as for the title race - we were never in it and have not been now for about a decade.
Normally I'd agree with you about the heard it all before thing. But nobody can deny the back end of last season was by far the most discontent we've ever seen. I was at the Palace game and the atmosphere was utter poison. We saw sustained protests before every home game. The fact is that for the first time ever, last season we saw action rather than just words.
The only thing which saved Wenger was the summer break. He managed to deflect for long enough just to stagger over the line in May. If the discontent starts in September/October, there is just no chance that it won't snowball - with 6/7 months until the end of the season!
despite Wenger being there for now 21 years he is still easier to get rid of than Kroenke.
yes if you got rid of Kroenke then you would also get rid of Wenger as any new owner would sack him within weeks.
However I don't think you will get rid of Kroenke before Wenger.
Wenger has effectively been a shield for Kroenke these past few years. We need to remove that shield first (Wenger)
For that to happen things will have to get really really bad on the pitch though and that is where the problem is - Wenger like it or not is still a good enough manager to make sure that we are in and around the top 4, and as long as he does that then the Emirates crowd will remain apathetic.
not sure what the answer is really - you just have to realise that these days the majority of the people who visit the Emirates are not too bothered whether we compete for the league or not, and even those that are bothered will mostly not bother to protest.
Not this year mate. IMO we'll be finishing mid-table with our current squad of players.
Our best player Sanchez wants out and is clearly unhappy, Ozil is disinterested after creating a thousand chances which our forwards are too shite to finish off, nobody from our midfield is good enough to chip in with a reasonable goals tally, our defence is leaky as a sieve, our keeper is past it, our manager is still trying to run the team on a shoestring.
We're nowhere near good enough this season, and with Liverpool and Chelsea away in two of our next three fixtures, we could very well be on just six points from our first five games, out of the title race by mid-September. Europa League trips to distant backwaters and Sunday fixtures won't help. Discontent will begin again, which will have a knock-on effect on a squad already mentally weak and disillusioned. The snowball will be bigger and quicker this time around, only this time there's no conveniently timed summer break to base club PR and spin around.
sorry but heard it all before.
Wenger will keep the team in and around 4th place - that is what he does.
dont forget this year we dont have CL football and so if necessary Wenger will play the reserves in the Europa League.
as for the title race - we were never in it and have not been now for about a decade.
Normally I'd agree with you about the heard it all before thing. But nobody can deny the back end of last season was by far the most discontent we've ever seen. I was at the Palace game and the atmosphere was utter poison. We saw sustained protests before every home game. The fact is that for the first time ever, last season we saw action rather than just words.
The only thing which saved Wenger was the summer break. He managed to deflect for long enough just to stagger over the line in May. If the discontent starts in September/October, there is just no chance that it won't snowball - with 6/7 months until the end of the season!
That's the plan... just going to wait until after the Chelsea shellacking..........
Go after everything, Kroenke, Wenger, the Board and the brand. This needs to be a broadside attempt to change things at Arsenal PLC not just individuals. The time for change protest two years ago actually garnered more support inside the ground than was able to be mustered after the marches against Wenger during all the protests last season unfortunately.
If you go for a less devisive message which the anti-Wenger protest was you're likely to have more support and it will effect the brand and potentially PLC profits, it will also gather in more people, most people aren't stupid and will know what you're getting at but for those who still respect OGL or wont actively protest against him this is their way into the protest, 'less disrespectful' i suppose you might say.
As said above by other posters direct attacks on Wenger and Kroenke are unlikely to work, Stan is too remote from it and Wenger will feel more secure and protected this season with his vote of confidence new contract.
Just a thought
IN short..Smart thinking Muzz! INDIRECT ATTACK...protest yr round..if you London guys are willing. #UsmanovIN not negative & attacks the Head of the snake, Wenger & Kronke indirectly so more fans will get in on it. The fire needs a starter.
He's a proper bastard! A whores bastard a *word censored* and a rotten egg!!
Seriously though if you're an akb then a plague of locusts and syphylis I wish on you and yours! The gloves need to come and you are my fucking enemy!!
I think even the die hard AKB,s are losing faith in Wenger,i reckon banners and protests wont be stopped this time around not even in the stadium,there will be too many people wanting him out for a few AKB'S to stop the protests,this season could be the end
The question is do you protest yet or wait until it gets even worse, if the protests are too early and the lucky fucker turns things round then they look petty and precipitous which the media will be all over, on the other hand if you wait he might turn things around anyway..... decision, decisions
The question is do you protest yet or wait until it gets even worse, if the protests are too early and the lucky fucker turns things round then they look petty and precipitous which the media will be all over, on the other hand if you wait he might turn things around anyway..... decision, decisions
The protest have already started judging by todays game,you could hear them chanting wenger out
he is still easier to get rid of than Kroenke.
