The way to get their attention

merse_10 · Post by **merse_10** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:11 pm

should we start a petition??

Arsenal 1991 · Post by **Arsenal 1991** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:12 pm

Reg, Re: Black Scarf. What are your current aims? Would you want to change it more toward the AFNAP aims? (thought it needed abbreviating

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Post by **HashKads** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:12 pm

I think one of our statements should be;

We have the money and its being invested in the totally wrong areas i.e average players on lucrative deals, when it can be used to bring in players which are desperately needed.

Arsenal 1991 · Post by **Arsenal 1991** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:13 pm

augie wrote:I am so confused here........this started off suggesting a real protest either inside or outside the ground and at the car park entrance but now it seems to be about starting a twitter or facegroup informing people of our idea's which is all well and good but is that it ? I agree 100% that this protest group needs to be focused on 2 or 3 specific aims but by the same token I look at quartz's suggested piece and for me it just isnt strong enough

Many on here will be well aware that I have been advocating some form of public protest for a long long time but some of this seems too nicey nicey for me - will you please spend some of our money ? Pretty please ? These c**ts have shown so much contempt for the fans and do we really think that asking them nicely is going to get them to change their ways ? I understand why many feel that getting rid of wenger as one of our aims will turn fans away from supporting our group but realistically if wenger and/or the board remains nothing will change

If I missed another part of the plan of action then please clarify it for me cos I am in favour of this movement and am willing to travel over just to be a part of a protest so you can add me to that list of fans that are on board with this movement.

Can I also add that if there is a committee being organised to front this group then I would like to nominate steve o, donaldo and quartz to be on the committee

Have you had a look at the BSM's website? They are perhaps more what you're looking for. Our movement is 100% not a wenger out or board out movement.

I think we should have a poll on the latter bit.

Metalheadz Gooner · Post by **Metalheadz Gooner** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:13 pm

augie wrote:I am so confused here........this started off suggesting a real protest either inside or outside the ground and at the car park entrance but now it seems to be about starting a twitter or facegroup informing people of our idea's which is all well and good but is that it ? I agree 100% that this protest group needs to be focused on 2 or 3 specific aims but by the same token I look at quartz's suggested piece and for me it just isnt strong enough

Many on here will be well aware that I have been advocating some form of public protest for a long long time but some of this seems too nicey nicey for me - will you please spend some of our money ? Pretty please ? These c**ts have shown so much contempt for the fans and do we really think that asking them nicely is going to get them to change their ways ? I understand why many feel that getting rid of wenger as one of our aims will turn fans away from supporting our group but realistically if wenger and/or the board remains nothing will change

If I missed another part of the plan of action then please clarify it for me cos I am in favour of this movement and am willing to travel over just to be a part of a protest so you can add me to that list of fans that are on board with this movement.

Can I also add that if there is a committee being organised to front this group then I would like to nominate steve o, donaldo and quartz to be on the committee

What he said! We need to gather numbers, join up with the BSM and protest from the Liverpool game onwards.

n6gooner · Post by **n6gooner** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:14 pm

QuartzGooner wrote:
Irish Gooner wrote:While I believe the ideas are sound, my personal opinion on the aims you have given Quartz is that:

It is basically to close to telling Wenger how to do his job. Telling Wenger to buy 3 players, to coach defense and to let go of the average rubbish are all what we want.

But the board/Wenger will not listen to these claims, as they will see it as some noisey fans telling AW how to do his job.

It's a tough task.

I mean I want lower ticket prices and in fact we are raising them, I want Wenger out of the club.
We are trying to tell Wenger how to do his job, for sure. That is exactly what this is about.

I really believe in the direct approach.

General statements could get lost in the mass of media activity that happens every day.

quartz - whilst i can see there being a degree of clarity in the direct option i agree with ig's point, ie. being dismissed as niosy fans, etc etc

maybe a more focussed approach in terms of "why" he's not doing his job rather than "how" he does it, ie. losing 3 cup finals in a row since 05/06 and appearing to have learned little about how to win one (regardless of the quality of opposition). after all, he's paid handsomely to deliver result - we want to know "why" he still has such power at the club whilst delivering no trophies

Arsenal 1991 · Post by **Arsenal 1991** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:17 pm

merse_10 wrote:should we start a petition??

You need to put either side of the link in your sig for it to work.[/img]

augie · Post by **augie** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:18 pm

Arsenal 1991 wrote:
augie wrote:I am so confused here........this started off suggesting a real protest either inside or outside the ground and at the car park entrance but now it seems to be about starting a twitter or facegroup informing people of our idea's which is all well and good but is that it ? I agree 100% that this protest group needs to be focused on 2 or 3 specific aims but by the same token I look at quartz's suggested piece and for me it just isnt strong enough

Many on here will be well aware that I have been advocating some form of public protest for a long long time but some of this seems too nicey nicey for me - will you please spend some of our money ? Pretty please ? These c**ts have shown so much contempt for the fans and do we really think that asking them nicely is going to get them to change their ways ? I understand why many feel that getting rid of wenger as one of our aims will turn fans away from supporting our group but realistically if wenger and/or the board remains nothing will change

If I missed another part of the plan of action then please clarify it for me cos I am in favour of this movement and am willing to travel over just to be a part of a protest so you can add me to that list of fans that are on board with this movement.

Can I also add that if there is a committee being organised to front this group then I would like to nominate steve o, donaldo and quartz to be on the committee
Have you had a look at the BSM's website? They are perhaps more what you're looking for. Our movement is 100% not a wenger out or board out movement.

I think we should have a poll on the latter bit.

I am looking for change just like everybody else that has commented on this thread so not sure how my aims differ from yours

What I am advocating though is that nothing will change unless we really make our feelings known in as strong a manner as possible and I believe that being the lifeblood of the club, many contributing 1k + per season, we have earned that right dont you ?

SteveO 35 · Post by **SteveO 35** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:19 pm

My twopenneth for what it is worth

Dear Arsenal fans,

Arsene Wenger has brought us great success as manager. He has not only won trophies, but revolutionised the culture of football, and produced teams who played some of the most attractive football the world has seen; something for which we as true supporters of Arsenal FC remain proud of

We moved stadium in 2006, and we fans understand that the move resulted in sensible structured debt. However, in taking the decision to move the club to its new home after 93 years at Highbury, we believe that the achievements of Arsenal since then have fallen short of the ambitions of the supporters and we would hope the shareholders of he club. We understand that the stadium move was a necessary step in the progression of the modern Arsenal FC; indeed the club itself made this statement ahead of the move stating that the move would allow Arsenal FC "to compete with Europe's elite clubs". As lifelong supporters of the club, and ones that wish to leave a legacy for our grandchildren and their grandchildren, it is not in our interests to see Arsenal FC embark upon a strategy employed by certain other Premier League football clubs that would risk the future financial stability of our great club.

However, we believe that the current level of attainment and ambition being achieved and demonstrated by Arsenal FC and its management is below the standard we would expect from a club with a stated desire in 2005 to compete with Europe's elite clubs.

So we have formed this group with the following aims:

1.) To encourage the club to develop a clear investment strategy, made visible to its global fanbase, that will allow Arsenal to compete for the major club competition trophies domestically and in Europe.

2.) To seek clarity over the club's sustainable business model and with particular regard to the policy of rewarding young players with long term contracts that have inflated the club's annualised wage bill to Â£8m per annum higher than in the previous financial year

3.) To understand the club's longer term vision and strategy. As supporters we have clear goals and ambitions, measurable by the winning of trophies. As an organisation whose principle activity is the management of a football club we believe that this should also be the clear and measured objective of the club. We believe that the club's property interests and current shareholder structure are not in keeping with this strategy and vision

1886 · Post by **1886** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:21 pm

Just made a twitter account to follow the group. Very confused about how it even works. I'm @ClockEnd1886

Arsenal 1991 · Post by **Arsenal 1991** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:21 pm

augie wrote:
Arsenal 1991 wrote:
augie wrote:I am so confused here........this started off suggesting a real protest either inside or outside the ground and at the car park entrance but now it seems to be about starting a twitter or facegroup informing people of our idea's which is all well and good but is that it ? I agree 100% that this protest group needs to be focused on 2 or 3 specific aims but by the same token I look at quartz's suggested piece and for me it just isnt strong enough

Many on here will be well aware that I have been advocating some form of public protest for a long long time but some of this seems too nicey nicey for me - will you please spend some of our money ? Pretty please ? These c**ts have shown so much contempt for the fans and do we really think that asking them nicely is going to get them to change their ways ? I understand why many feel that getting rid of wenger as one of our aims will turn fans away from supporting our group but realistically if wenger and/or the board remains nothing will change

If I missed another part of the plan of action then please clarify it for me cos I am in favour of this movement and am willing to travel over just to be a part of a protest so you can add me to that list of fans that are on board with this movement.

Can I also add that if there is a committee being organised to front this group then I would like to nominate steve o, donaldo and quartz to be on the committee
Have you had a look at the BSM's website? They are perhaps more what you're looking for. Our movement is 100% not a wenger out or board out movement.

I think we should have a poll on the latter bit.

I am looking for change just like everybody else that has commented on this thread so not sure how my aims differ from yours What I am advocating though is that nothing will change unless we really make our feelings known in as strong a manner as possible and I believe that being the lifeblood of the club, many contributing 1k + per season, we have earned that right dont you ?

This is not a Wenger out group, that is where our views fundamentally differ.

topgoon · Post by **topgoon** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:21 pm

augie wrote:I am so confused here........this started off suggesting a real protest either inside or outside the ground and at the car park entrance but now it seems to be about starting a twitter or facegroup informing people of our idea's which is all well and good but is that it ? I agree 100% that this protest group needs to be focused on 2 or 3 specific aims but by the same token I look at quartz's suggested piece and for me it just isnt strong enough

Many on here will be well aware that I have been advocating some form of public protest for a long long time but some of this seems too nicey nicey for me - will you please spend some of our money ? Pretty please ? These c**ts have shown so much contempt for the fans and do we really think that asking them nicely is going to get them to change their ways ? I understand why many feel that getting rid of wenger as one of our aims will turn fans away from supporting our group but realistically if wenger and/or the board remains nothing will change

If I missed another part of the plan of action then please clarify it for me cos I am in favour of this movement and am willing to travel over just to be a part of a protest so you can add me to that list of fans that are on board with this movement.

Can I also add that if there is a committee being organised to front this group then I would like to nominate steve o, donaldo and quartz to be on the committee

Good point.

Facebook groups, Twitter groups etc are great but I sadly think they can be ignored.

The committee would be patronised by the hierarchy and window dressing would be done and if there's a little improvement, the 'floating voters' will be lost and we would be back to square one.

We have to make a nuisance of ourselves, in a legal way. I think we still need to protest very vocally.

The committee has to be ready to be our spokesperson once we've let it be known enough's enough and the board are ready to 'entertain us'.

Arsenal 1991 · Post by **Arsenal 1991** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:23 pm

Shall I dm johncross about the group, informing him of the aims?

Metalheadz Gooner · Post by **Metalheadz Gooner** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:23 pm

Good idea would be to get stickers made up with url, facebook and twitter address on there.

If someone designs it , I will source a company to print them.

Reg Niseth · Post by **Reg Niseth** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:24 pm

Arsenal 1991 wrote:Reg, Re: Black Scarf. What are your current aims? Would you want to change it more toward the AFNAP aims? (thought it needed abbreviating )

it's continually evolving, right now my thoughts are the same as those on here and I'm sure the vast majority following us will agree.

When it first started it wasn't a sack weneger and the board movement and it's still that way. We've had many discussions over the months and our current stance is this is FC not a PLC, just like you have.

I wish I could post a pic of our banner. It was meant to getting an airing at Barca away but not sure it was ready in time. We're aiming at the greed in football, too much money wasted on average players on superstar wages.

at the moment there's lost of enthusiasm for what you're trying to acheive but I know from experience it fizzles out. Apathy is our greatest enemy.

There are some things I can't post on an open forum but would be happy to pm if you contact me.